Jimmy Dore considering a run for the presidency! Here’s how you can talk him into running.

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    • #491381
      Scott Crowder
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      Scott,

      I have some of the most thrilling news I’ve ever shared. Jimmy Dore is considering a run for president with the People’s Party!

      We’ve been discussing it with him and Stef for several weeks and he’s talking about it on tour and on his show. He would be the most popular comedian to ever run and the first person with his own show and a million subscribers. A Jimmy Dore campaign and presidency could revolutionize this country!

      Every time he’s brought it up the crowds at his shows and in the live chat have exploded with excitement. Let’s show him what an incredible candidate we think he would make and how much support he would have.

      Jimmy streams his show live every Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 6-9 pm ET. Join us for a party in the live YouTube chat of his show this Wednesday and Friday from 6-9 pm ET!

      Post in the live chat encouraging him to run. Send him a Super Chat telling him why it’s personal for you and how President Jimmy Dore would change your life. Stef reads every Super Chat during the show so Jimmy and thousands of people will hear your message.

      Join us at a special meeting today at 8 pm ET to discuss Jimmy running and how you can help him decide to do it. Sign up here for the meeting. Join us at Jimmy’s live YouTube chat tomorrow at 6 pm ET if you can’t make the meeting.

      I’ve just written an article sharing why Jimmy would make such a phenomenal candidate and president. Read it below and then use this link to share it on social media. Post it to Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and every platform with #Dore24 and why you think he should run.

      Let’s do this!

      Nick Brana

      National Chair

      People’s Party

      "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
      “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
      "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

    • #491382
      Hobbit709
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      Remember him?

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

      • #491386
        NV Wino
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        Yes, he had a vineyard there.

        “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
        “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

      • #491390
        jbnw
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      • #492251
        eridani
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        We can’t stand Pat!

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

      • #492354
        chknltl
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        Not sure about that though.

        That said, I do remember Pat Paulson’s face and his odd slow way of speaking.

        IIRC Mr. Paulson was a regular for a while on either ‘Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-in’ or on the ‘Smothers Brother’s’ variety show. (Or both???)

        If I further recall correctly, Pat Paulson’s run for President was more of a comedy thing.

    • #491387
      Pam2
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      I don’t think he is seriously considering it. He seems to have a lot of health issues.

       

    • #491389
      NV Wino
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      I mean we’ve had a clown, a dementia patient, a reality show host and a body builder/actor who, if he hadn’t been foreign born, would have run. He’s at least 10 steps above those guys.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #491392
      rudycantfail
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      I’d heard him hinting at it in recent podcasts. Steph’s probably the harder sell but Brana going public with it now makes it a legit possibility. Dore is exactly what the People’s Party needs. He already has a large and loyal following with populists and anti establishment folks from across the spectrum. He knows how to attract attention, he isn’t afraid and can think on his feet. This would put the PP on the political map and draw a ton of disenfranchised Americans together.

      I’m anxious to see the reaction to this at JPR.

    • #491393
      Pam2
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      I enjoy his show, but I don’t want to see him turn into a politician.

       

      • #491409
        Two way street
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        Politician. Politicians usually believe in getting for themselves, money and power; that is not Jimmy in my opinion. If he is for the People; the People will be for him and with him.

        2020-2024 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

      • #491412
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        ditto.  symbolic candidacy & a pretty useless one unless he could get a lot of votes to make the disaffection from the major parties clear.

        i wouldn’t expect too big of a vote total for him though, because dore doesn’t have a big enough name/following.

        i could be wrong but that’s how i see it.

        and i must say: coming from people who regularly complain about professional pols taking symbolic stands, seems odd to turn around and wax enthuiastic about yet more symbolism.

        makes me think even less of nick brana’s political instincts than i did already.  i doubt anything real is ever going to come from his flaky party.  even flakier than the american greens.

        could we check in for a season to do something *real* like politick for and build the brand of a real candidate worth voting for?

        or, alternatively, politick and build up a movement of people who wouldn’t vote for anyone, a massive “don’t give them your vote” detournment?

        something real in meat space instead of more ultimately unsatisfying and easily forgotten internet fake space

    • #491410
      mrdmk
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      Kurt Metzger stated if Jimmy Dore ran for President, he would be a dead man walking

      My belief is, Dore would be better off taking a pass on this one

      But, hey! If you really need to vote for someone, you could always vote for Alice Cooper

      That was a thing back in the 1970s. Just ask @ohiobarbarian !

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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    • #491414
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      … but to get a large version of his message to the people.  He needs a party to do that. JD’s never stepped away from Nick Brana, and I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t help him, but it would help the People’s Party.

      I’d think it would get dangerous if the “real” people’s party responded to his run. I mean… it’s so disgusting and we need a very public message as to what is going on.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #491418
      jbnw
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      any moderately believable candidate would have a good chance.

      Imagine a candidate like Ross Perot in 2024. Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992 when people had main choices between Bush and Clinton.

    • #491419
      Jim Lane
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      I remember reading that the party had achieved ballot access in Florida. The website also has an article about Virginia with a headline that touts ballot access.  The text of the article, however, supports only a claim of recognition as a party. That would mean that Virginia voters could register as People’s Party members but it wouldn’t mean that the party could put candidates on the ballot except by submitting enough valid petition signatures. (The organization hasn’t always been clear about this distinction.)

      The state I know best is New York. This fall, there will be an election for Governor (and other offices). The People’s Party would have to submit petition signatures to get its candidate for Governor on the ballot. Then, if enough people were to vote the People’s Party line in the gubernatorial election, the party would have automatic ballot access for all offices for two years, through and including the 2024 presidential election. But the deadline for petitioning for the 2022 ballot has already passed. Did the People’s Party submit enough signatures? If not, it can’t get Dore or anyone else on the 2024 ballot without petitioning then, office by office.

      Automatic ballot access is determined every two years, by the votes on a party’s line for President and Governor. Based on the 2020 vote, the parties now qualified are Democratic, Republican, Working Families, and Conservative. Previously the Libertarian Party, Green Party, and Independence Party had ballot lines, but they lost them based on the 2020 vote. (The Libertarians and Greens have a pending lawsuit challenging the 2020 law that raised the signature requirement, but they didn’t even meet the older, more lenient threshold.)

      It was surprising that the Greens dropped from 103,946 votes in 2018 to just 32,753 in 2020. I don’t know why they took such a hit.

      • #491446
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Though you’ll never hear about it. Part of it is because, as @eridani loves to say, they have really shitty voter outreach. They petition to get on some federal ballots, but I haven’t seen a state or local Green candidate on the ballot in Ohio for over ten years. They didn’t help themselves in 2020 when they could have had Jesse Ventura but turned him down flat in favor of Green Party insider Howie Hawkins, of whom nobody else had heard.

        In Ohio, there’s a ridiculous petition requirement for a third party or independent candidate to get on the ballot, for any office. Then those petitions are rigorously reviewed by the Secretary of State’s office, and often found wanting. Hell! They can’t even craft a measure to legalize weed that can make it to the ballot.

        I don’t know what happened to the Green vote in New York in 2020, but I’m pretty sure Hawkins got fewer votes than Jill Stein did. They seem to be going in the wrong direction.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #491451
          Jim Lane
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          @ohiobarbarian

          You write: “They didn’t help themselves in 2020 when they could have had Jesse Ventura but turned him down flat in favor of Green Party insider Howie Hawkins, of whom nobody else had heard.”

          Much as it pains me to defend the noodlebrained Green Party, this particular criticism appears to be unsound. According to one report – link – Ventura expressed interest in seeking the Green Party nomination, but then dropped out of the race:

          Ventura explained that due to the timing of when the party would select a nominee, he would be required to lose his job and lose his health insurance in order to qualify. He said that his medical condition prevented him from being able to move forward.

          I agree with you that someone like Ventura would do better than an unknown. There’s another important factor, though. Historically, the Green candidate does better in years when the President is a Democrat. In presidential elections, there are some swing voters who focus on what they don’t like about the President. With a Democrat is in the White House, these voters see that Democrats aren’t perfect. They’re more likely to buy the argument that there’s not the slightest difference between the two major parties. With a Republican in office, however, these voters have the adverse consequences of Republican success thrown in their faces. They still prefer the Greens but give priority to the improvement that’s actually possible, i.e., replacing the Republican with the Democrat.

          In 2020, the horrors of the Trump years were fresh in everyone’s mind. Ventura would have done better than Hawkins but still not as well as Stein did in 2012 and 2016.

          I predict that the Greens will do better in 2024 than they did in 2020. Of course, they still won’t come anywhere near the five percent needed to qualify for federal funding. Unless they can find a celebrity to run, they’ll again finish in fourth place, behind the Libertarians.

          • #491466
            Ohio Barbarian
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            Biden is objectively worse than Trump. We didn’t have this big inflation under Trump, and Trump didn’t involve us in any new imperial wars. Biden’s stupid sanctions on Russia accelerated the former and his horrible foreign policy speaks for itself.

            In Ohio, if you made me choose between Ryan and Vance for Senate, I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. I may, anyway, simply because Vance wrote a decent book and Ryan is lower than whaledreck, which is about as low as Biden or Pelosi or Bush. As it is, I’d probably either vote for the Libertarian as a protest vote or not vote at all.

            If the Greens nominate someone with more charisma than bird shit on a car, ie someone other than Howie Hawkins, I agree with you they’ll probably do better in 2024 for some of the same reasons.

            As for Ventura, he did say he simply couldn’t afford to quit working and lose the health insurance his wife needs, but that was after the Greens shut him out if memory serves.

            Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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            • #491560
              Jim Lane
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              @ohiobarbarian

              My point is that a lot of progressives do see it that way.  Their dilemma is that they think a Green candidate would make a better President than the Democrat, but they also think that the Democrat would be much better than the Republican.  They note, for example, that it was five Republican-appointed judges who invalidated campaign spending limits (Citizens United v. FEC), eviscerated the Voting Rights Act (Shelby County v. Holder), etc.  They can also see the effect of executive orders and agency appointments in such areas as union organizing and environmental protections.  That’s in addition to the bills that the President signs, like the ARRA (Obama’s big stimulus bill) or the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy.

              These voters have to decide how to weigh the competing considerations.  My point is that helping the Democrat beat the Republican becomes more important to them when Republican depredations are more salient in their minds.

              Here’s the Green Party record in presidential elections, expressed as a percentage of the popular vote, ordered by size instead of chronologically:

              0.1
              0.1
              0.3
              0.4
              0.7
              1.1
              2.7

              Can you put the years to the numbers?

              The answer: The only times the Greens have broken one percent came after eight years of a Democratic administration (2.7% in 2000 and 1.1% in 2016).  The midpoints of the Clinton and Obama administrations yielded the next-best results (0.7% in 1996 and 0.4% in 2012).  The Greens cratered, with their three worst results, when George W. Bush and then Trump were in office.

              So my conclusion is that Howie Hawkins’s charisma or lack thereof had nothing to do with it.  How many voters ever even heard him speak?  His problem was that the Green Party’s fundamental pitch — the denial of any important difference between the two major parties — bamboozles fewer people when there’s a Republican in office, and voters are reading every day about the disastrous human consequences of Republican electoral success.

              That’s why I predict that the Greens will rebound (a little) in 2024, regardless of whom they nominate.  One caveat: If the People’s Party achieves widespread ballot access (seemingly unlikely), then the resulting split in the left-wing protest vote might drop the Green candidate below the 0.3% that Hawkins got.

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          Scott Crowder
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          I got referred to my county coordinator. A nice woman. Attended a meeting. Met 5 others.  They, too, had just DemExited as Berniecrats. We voted on temp leadership roles to be made permanent after a set time by a popular vote that required a minimum attendance I forget what the number was. I got frustrated by these people because they wouldn’t do what it took to get new blood to come to meetings. Specifically, the county coordinator was a cock blocker when it came to contacting people on their party rolls to come to meetings. this meant we would fold if we didn’t raise enough interest to have the required quorum to hold a vote for permanent leadership.

          I finally contacted my state supervisor, another nice lady. She gave me full access to the party roll calls and I spent an entire week contacting over 300 people to tell them we would be having a big meeting to decide county leadership.

          I let the others know it sounded like dozens would be showing be showing up.

          When I arrived at the meeting, there was a note from the temp leaders. They couldn’t make it, could I run the show? Well, not being one of the temp leaders and without the minimum leadership there, we couldn’t hold a vote. So they deliberately sabotaged the Green Party in my county. Never saw any of them ever again.

          Cointelpro.

          Here’s the fishy part: two women showed up who I had not called. They weren’t from my county. They were with DSA. They showed up to try to recruit all of us away from the Green Party into DSA. The only way they could have known there was a meeting is if one of the temp leaders who were sabotaging the Green Party had told them to be there.

          Cointelpro.

          DSA was Establishment the whole way. The Green Party has been getting undermined the whole way.

          You can’t even trust the People’s Party, but I hope Jimmy Dore is the real deal. I want to believe.

          "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
          “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
          "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

          • #491920
            Cold Mountain Trail
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            @scottcrowder

            what you describe sure rings true with me.  I had several similar experiences:

            1.  trying to access party meetings and do block walks during elections, something that used to be routine when my parents were living and in the party.  I’ve not seen it happen here since I was a kid.
            2. during the bernie campaign, “someone” had already monopolized the “people for bernie” meetings and nothing like what i’d expected got done at all.  Useless bunch of sobs. kept the riff-raff out and powerless.  took me a while to catch on, since I was all excited about the ‘new day’
            3. when it came to the county caucuses, a bunch of people my friends and i had never seen before showed up and became delegates to the next level, swearing their love and undying fealty for bernie.  At least 2 I know were total no-show for everything thereafter, based on report from others who showed up.

            Ergo, I wouldn’t be surprised, cointelpro, fbi, whatever.

            It’s part of my life experience that makes it possible to believe we have ‘minders’ all around us too, just as in the fsu or the old east germany.

    • #491433
      Snort McDork
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      If he does it, he would not pull any punches like Bernie. If Chump is running, and Jimmy thinks he’s an asshole, he will say that Chump is an asshole. Case closed.

      I’m voting for Jimmy Dore!!!!

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    • #491439
      Gryneos
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      “President Jimmy” since Carter. “President Dore” might also lead to many jokes, of which he would approve 😄

      The people-to-cake ratio is too high.

    • #491441
      Scott Crowder
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      We could make some great campaign slogans and those buttons.

      We aDore Jimmy.

      Jimmy Dore in ’24.

      Hey Biden let us show you the Dore.

      Gimme Jimmy

       

       

       

      "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
      “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
      "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

    • #491447
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I think the uniparty would cancel the debates outright before they’d let that happen, unless the Republicans nominated Trump. He might want to have Dore on the stage because he’d think he’d get better ratings.

      Plus, as @jimlane said, ballot access is still a huge problem for the People’s Party.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #491504
      game meat
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      Well, if he does it, it’s an obvious meme candidacy. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but that’s what it is.  JD is a good self promoter. He would be entertaining if he made the debates though, but he probably won’t.

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      djean111
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      Dem slots will be bowls of offal that some of us have no intention of voting for.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

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    • #491511
      JonLP
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      .

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #492218
        Scott Crowder
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        wish you’d pass on jpr too.

        "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
        “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
        "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

        • #493657
          JonLP
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          I also went about 10 months without logging in.

          I think Dore is toxic and your post attempting to drive me away over criticism of Dore is an example of why I wouldn’t want him as President. He would be like Trump but admittedly better.

          I will consider it though. I don’t spend a lot of time here.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #492049
      closeupready
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      He won’t come close, but I also won’t vote for any slam dunk

      Toying with the idea of voting for Rand Paul, if he throws his hat in

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