Jimmy Dore: Progressives Debate Voting Biden or Not

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      Passionate Progressive
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      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

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      NV Wino
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      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

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      Black LeBaron
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      Imagine if all Bernie Sanders primary voters had voted for the Green Party, or other progressive/left-wing parties in the 2016 general election, instead of voting for Clinton.  The result would be the same:  President Trump.  But Clinton would have lost by a ton, about 18-20%, and the Greens and other progressives would have gotten 20% or so.  The party, and maybe more importantly, their donors, would know that the Dems could not possibly win in 2020 unless they did something to reach the progressive voters.  Progressives would be in a FAR stronger position because they would have proven that the Democrats need the progressives, and that the progressives are willing to walk out if ignored.  I am pretty sure the corporatists would not have nominated a right-wing racist like Biden in that situation.

      When I vote in 2020, I will be thinking about 2024.  Imagine if we all vote for Greens or other progressive/left-wing parties. . .

      Great men are almost always bad men.
      --Lord Acton

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        @blacklebaron

        if Sanders rather than endorsing Clinton had embraced the Green Party in 2020….Yes Trump would have won….But progressives and Sanders would be light years ahead of where they are now….The Democratic Party is unfixable.

        The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

        It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

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      djean111
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      No need for more debates, or for more debate analysis.  Please.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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      Pam2
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      ..thinking it would help to build the party but remember Stein’s recount attempt? Didn’t they find some issues in Michigan before they shut the recount down? We have no guarantee they will count the Green votes accurately. 🤔

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