Jimmy Dore: until we fix Democratic Party elites' corruption, we won’t defeat Trump's

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    leftcoast mountains
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    November 17, 2019

    #NoMiddleGround #I AM BERNIE

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    Thanks – I will have to watch this later, but relatedly, I’ve been mulling something over in my mind since last week.

    Why now suddenly has Nancy Pelosi made a charge of “bribery” against Donald Trump?  Isn’t that weird, the woman who became a centi-millionaire during her terms in the US Congress and who collects more tolls from corporate America than anyone else, attempting to suggest that Donald Trump broke the law in using his authority in a way she dislikes?

    It just seems really indicative of her lack of ethical standards to make a logical stretch, as she does, in painting Hillary’s spoiler as a villain when so much of the criticism today directed toward her and her Third Way collaborators is criticism revolving around the way in which these super-massive corporate campaign donations have a direct effect on legislation which gets passed and made into law – i.e., bribery.

    I don’t think it’s a guilty conscience.  I think it’s a fear that their illegitimate means of making vast fortunes … as public servants, is about to come to an end.  Ergo, BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, draw a distinction between 1) the campaign finance system which makes Democratic lawmakers so filthy rich, and 2) Donald Trump’s actions with regard to Ukraine.

    The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

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      Because the Constitution is confusing. Bribery, High crimes & misdemeanors. Since everything is legalized politicians don’t need to break the law and take bribes but they are trying to pin bribery on him over the Ukraine-Trump scandal. They tried out quid pro quo then changed it to extortion. I favor impeaching Trump because he is abusing his power and needs to go but they need a narrative or a reason for impeaching him.

      Tulsi Gabbard - "Not only are they saying that about me, they are basically sending this message out to every veteran in this country, every service member, every American, anyone watching at home fighting for peace and who was calling for an end to these regime change wars ... they are saying that you are also a Russian asset, that you are also a traitor to this country,"

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        Understood.  I also found it remarkable that a member of the press who was at Pelosi’s press conference (when she made this charge) expressed shock that she was using the word “bribery” – if forced to guess why the shock, I’d argue because, for decades now, in the DC bubble world, a world in which bribery in forms which have been considered legal has corrupted a legislative body to serve special interests at the expense of ordinary voters, it’s disconcerting to see a lawmaker drawing attention to a vice known to every government ever – a vice which seemingly everyone involved thought had been obfuscated effectively; now, here she is, drawing back the curtain.  Damn!  :sarcasm:   lol

        What is to be gained from doing this?  The risk she runs is that dumb people begin to put 2 and 2 together, and see the corruption more clearly, every day.

        I know this is kind of sloppy, but I can’t wrap my head entirely around what she’s thinking, and what Trump’s thinking, and how the Deep State is gaming the system, etc.  I’d articulate my thoughts better if I knew more, but this is all just my own thinking out loud.  Cheers.

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          You make very good points I agree completely.

          Tulsi Gabbard - "Not only are they saying that about me, they are basically sending this message out to every veteran in this country, every service member, every American, anyone watching at home fighting for peace and who was calling for an end to these regime change wars ... they are saying that you are also a Russian asset, that you are also a traitor to this country,"

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      The DNC brought some PR company to tell them that “ordinary folkses them understand good ol fashon bribry better than some fancy Latin words.”

      Aloha!

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        @voltairine – yup, lol, probably that is the correct answer. 

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        @voltairine Ayup. And probably gave them $600,000 or so to come up with the best focus group-tested term instead of spending that money on, you know, getting Democrats elected to actual office.

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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    We have to know what we’re fighting for – TDS is a big distraction imho.

    Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt......Sam Adams

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      So we shouldn’t criticize Trump?

       

      Donald Trump Thinks Homelessness Is a Scourge. His Administration Just Ousted the Official in Charge of Addressing It.

      Matthew Doherty, the executive director of the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, was forced out by the Trump administration on late Thursday afternoon, according to a memo he sent to acquaintances on Friday and that was obtained by Slate. He wrote that Friday was his last day leading the independent federal agency. He did not say why he was dismissed. But the move follows signals from the administration that it plans to dramatically change its approach to homelessness. President Donald Trump has said that “sick” homeless people are ruining U.S. cities.

      While USICH is a relatively obscure agency, tasked with coordinating policy across 19 federal agencies that work on chronic-homelessness issues, homelessness has lately become a pet issue of the Oval Office.* In September, Trump ordered federal agencies to come up with a wide-ranging plan to deal with homelessness in California, part of what the Washington Post described as a broader effort to highlight problems in the state as well as U.S. cities. The Post reported at the time that agencies were considering plans to move homeless people into government-run facilities and to destroy homeless encampments. It also reported that Trump was directly involved in the plans, a particular focus of which was the cleaning up of Skid Row in Los Angeles. In July, Trump told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson that homelessness is “a phenomenon that started two years ago” and “We never had this in our lives before in this country.” He told Carlson that he “may intercede and do something to get that whole thing cleaned up.”

      https://slate.com/business/2019/11/matthew-doherty-ousted-us-interagency-council-on-homelessness-trump-administration.html

      As someone who was homeless because of the Great Recession he is wrong that we have never had this in our lives before Trump. I personally lived it & that experience has made me a stronger Bernie Sanders supporter than I probably otherwise would be. How we treat the homeless is a very important issue to me and Trump is failing that test miserably.

      Tulsi Gabbard - "Not only are they saying that about me, they are basically sending this message out to every veteran in this country, every service member, every American, anyone watching at home fighting for peace and who was calling for an end to these regime change wars ... they are saying that you are also a Russian asset, that you are also a traitor to this country,"

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        “a phenomenon that started two years ago”

        That’s clearly not factual but, you know, I’ll run with that because then people can put the blame on the idiot who’s been running (ruining) the country for 2 years plus. Take the blame douchebag.

        Oh yeah – and then fix it Mr Genius –

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    Kicked and recommended to the max!   

    I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

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    it’s funny how holding the moral high ground requires having morals but it’s true

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      Voltairine
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      And that having morals requires getting off your high horse and leveling with others as sinner among sinners.

      Aloha!

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    This was great! JD at his best, and Aaron Mate.

    I absolutely agree that we must clear the corruption from the Democratic Party and DNC, before they can have a leg to stand on to take on Trump.

    Getting rid of the Democrat corruption includes investigating the Ukraine connections that they made during the 2016 election. Some here expressed no interest in that, but I think JD lays out the case why it’s necessary.

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