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    Justice Democrats: Go Big or Go home (Medicare for All)

     

    Go Big or Go home

    Those are the words of Phillip, a West Virginia coal miner from McDowell County responding to Bernie Sanders, who asked if it’s time for America to guarantee health care as a right. McDowell voted 75% for Trump in 2016, and they just cheered for single-payer.

    We agree with Phillip. Every one of our candidates will be fighting to pass Medicare for all.

    The Great American Health Care Debate is back in full swing. Our lawmakers want us to believe this is a fight between Republicans and Democrats. It’s not. This is about tax breaks for billionaires vs. life-saving medical care.

    We don’t have to tell you the Affordable Care Act is not a great piece of legislation. Perhaps Nany Pelosi thinks we don’t remember the way they squandered a super-majority and gave up the public option without a fight.

    Paul Ryan may be right when he calls Obamacare in its current form unsustainable, but he doesn’t want you to know their replacement is much worse. If Obamacare is deeply flawed, Ryancare is a catastrophe.

    Despite its flaws, the ACA did help millions receive the health care they need. We should not go backward, and we should not stay where we are. The correct way is forward.

    It’s time for single-payer. You know it. We know it. Voters who went 3:1 for Trump in McDowell County, West Virginia know it.

    That’s why we need a Congress full of citizen-leaders who aren’t bought off by pharmaceutical and insurance companies. We need a Congress that recognizes health care as a human right and has the courage to fight for it.

    Will you commit to a $17 monthly contribution to secure the right to health care for all Americans?

     

    In solidarity,

    The Justice Democrats

     

    I like where the Justice Democrats stand on the issues and how they are proceeding. Hopefully they, the Green Party, and others can work together to achieve results for issues like Medicare For All.  Coalitions need to work together on issues they can agree on.

    The corporate Democratic establishment may leave the left fragmented currently.  But important issues can be rallied around as the $15 minimum wage movement has shown.

    Most Americans support Progressive economic issues like the ones Bernie Sanders ran on.  However, like Bernie Sanders says, for true change to occur millions of Americans will need to come together and stand up for the change they want to see.

    I see Justice Democrats as an organization that is working to be part of that change.

    Wishing all well what ever path or paths they may choose in the  days moving forward.  My 2 cents……

     

     

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    • The Crone (3078 posts)
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      1. Doesn't Justice Dems have as part of their deal the fact that

      The Young Turks are their overseers? And what i remember about TYT is that they wanted Hillary, as after all, (CAN’T for the life of me remember their reasoning, but CRAP on a stick, I hate them now. Except for Jimmy Dorey and one or two others.)

      Anyway my own principled stand is that I want Universal HC. However I  am quite able to figure out who on the upcoming ballots will get it for me. I will never again donate to any org that might in the future give my monies to a Hillary or a Corey Booker. (And thank goodness for the legal battle about how We Bernie Supporters had the DNC take our money and then give it away  to HERSELF against our wishes!)

      I earned my money. I have the right to simply put it in an envelope and send it off to a local candidate, who is going to be grateful and is certainly not going to hand it over to Hillary or one of her ilk. (Or have it stolen from them.)

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • Charles (1445 posts)
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        2. The Justice Democrats only support Berniecrats. They give no money to the party

        itself or establishment candidates like Clinton or Booker.

        I respect you may not want to support this group or any others. I understand many want nothing to do with reforming the Democratic party and respect their independent stance. It would be awesome if we can all work towards greater gains for issues like Medicare For All whether inside the Democratic party or from the outside and partner when it is possible.

        Hopefully others who may want to try and reform the Democratic Party understand though that the  Justice Democrats DO NOT give money to the party or establishment candidates.

         

        From the Justice Democrats website

         

        We are recruiting incredible people to run for Congress in 2018 in a unified campaign behind a single plan to fix our government and our country.

        Justice Democrats are selfless leaders from all walks of life and all areas of our economy and society, representing every community. We want a Congress that looks like America (and America does not look like a bunch of wealthy lawyers). We’re looking for people who:

        • Are respected in their communities with a track record of service in their jobs, neighborhoods, religious organizations, charities, etc.
        • Have a history that shows they won’t sell out in DC, because many of their life choices have put others in front of their self interest
        • Agree with the Justice Democrats platform. They need to believe that America already has everything it needs to fix our economy, our healthcare system, our schools and our justice system — and that we can just do it if we have people in office who aren’t just catering to corporations
        • Will be strong fighters who will fight for big change and will not buckle under pressure
        • Are non-dogmatic, optimistic people who believe the American people can build our country by working together
        • Do not have any disdain or condescension for any group of Americans and have a high level of empathy
        • Are good at what they do
        • Are trusted by the people they currently serve
        • Are not people who have spent a life in politics for the sake of advancing their own position
        • Are ideally someone involved in doing work that actually keeps our country going: nurses, teachers, engineers, workers, moms and dads, social workers, veterans, law enforcement, first responders, managers, etc.
        • Have the skills that would make them good candidates against experienced incumbents — they’ve got to be able to talk, and to develop a grasp of all the major issues affecting their district
        • Represent their district and will be someone people in their district can relate to and trust

        Remember, we are not looking for self-nominations! If you can’t find one person who would nominate you for office, you probably don’t have a future in politics ;)

        https://justicedemocrats.com/Nominate

         

         

        Here is a link to the Justice Democrat’s platform:

        https://justicedemocrats.com/Platform

         

         

         

         

         

        As for Cenk supporting Hillary over Trump:

         

        Cenk was all over the Clinton corruption issues including the Doug Band 12 page Teneo email to Podesta:

         

         

        Cenk obviously felt even as corrupt as Hillary was that Trump and the GOP controlling the entire show would be much worse for progressive progress, bad for the poor and working class, and bad for the environment. I don’t consider voting against Trump and for Bernie’s planks in the Dem platform a bad thing as I too voted this way.

        We all know the Dem establishment would try to ignore Bernie’s planks but wouldn’t it be better to be fighting for progress on those issues rather than fighting to stop Trump’s GOP destruction from that point of view? Their is absolutely NOTHING progressive coming from Trump and the GOP.

        One of the first thing Trump did after winning was to put an end to the Clinton pay to play scandals so he could start doing the same thing only for billions instead of millions.

        If Hillary had won the GOP controlled congress would be all over the corruption and it would be dealt with. Now it’s being ignored. Clinton is regaining stature and Trump is doing the same damn thing only on a much grander scale.

        We never got to finish what was started with exposing the Clinton corruptions and making the changes necessary so the Trump’s and the Clinton’s of the world don’t turn America into their billion dollar con game again and again.

        And truth be told I believe the online press and Wikileaks were getting very close to blowing the lid off the scandal until Trump’s victory snuffed everything out.

        The Trump presidency will be a dark part of American history in my eyes.

        My 2 cents….

      • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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        16. You trash TYT because, "what i remember about TYT is that they wanted Hillary"

        Funny I don’t remember that at all.  I do remember Cenk going after Hillary a lot.  Maybe you have a link or two you can share.

        The Progressive Movement desperately needs a media outlet that will promote progressive ideals and that’s what TYT does.  And that makes them a Yuge target of not only the Right Wing but also the Clinton Wing of Neo-Liberals.  I stand with TYT.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • The Crone (3078 posts)
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          19. You are free to stand with

          Whomever you want. Researching the funding behind the persons who are funding the “alt sites” that supposedly are there to keep up the dialogue needed among us progressives really doesn’t give me much hope about TYT.

           

           

          "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
          • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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            20. The problem I see is that every time someone or some group steps up

            to fight they are quickly disparaged.  For one thing, I think we progressives all too often let the perfect get in the way of goodness.  I would love to see a new progressive party but I am sure if one was brought forward it would be picked apart immediately.

            With the Third Way and the Right Wing tearing down everything progressive, we can have progressives doing it also.  The country is going over the cliff while we fight among ourselves.

            aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
            • The Crone (3078 posts)
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              29. I do not at all see how my remarks

              should be see as a total negative. Telling the ways that these “truth tellers” are forced to stay inside a narrow circle of reality is a service, not a disservice.

              The message from all these “truth tellers” is carefully massaged. They do tell truths, on many issues, but it is important to understand how they are being censored and on what issues.

              Back in the day, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now had rarely let on that there were problems with the electronic voting machines. Nor had she ever covered, until recently the major story that the Democratic leadership circa 2000 and on (until just recently) has pretended they don’t realize the Republicans are gerrymandering to their heart’s content. She ignored the fact that Rahm Emanuel spent half a decade or more traveling around America to ensure that progressive candidates wanting to run on the “D” ticket never got a chance. He saw to it that only the more conservative “Blue Dawg” Dems got funding and  favorable media.

              People I knew who were active in electronic voting issues back in 2004 never had their phone calls returned. Such activists had to turn to outlets like Art Bell to get the message out there to the public.

              Goodman derided those in the Nine Eleven Truth movement. Even though let’s face it – science is on their side. There is only one answer to how the Towers fell on Nine Eleven. The other explanation that would allow for the “official story of Nine Eleven” to be a reality would have to  be  that for a few brief hours the laws of physics were suspended inside Manhattan, New York.

              Cenk pretty much follows the same format as Goodman.  When he announced his decision to vote for Hillary Clinton by Oct 20th 2016, he used the same ol’ “Lesser of two evils” argument that has kept all of us in slavery to the oligarchy. I also lost a great deal of respect for him when Ellison was derided as being “anti-Israel.”

              During the TYT episode in which Cenk attempted to defend Ellison, Cenk spent ten minutes saying basically this: that there is no way, I mean, c’mon everybody, we all  know there are no Jewish people, not even among the Elite, who are  in control. Which begs the question – if that is true, then how in the world was it decided to smear Ellison with the idea that he is not  pro-Israel enough? Either Ellison got tarred and feathered by the accusation and that must prove the exact opposite of the lyrics to the song Cenk was dancing to, or he didn’t. But we all know Ellison  was smeared by that accusation because it is one of the very important strings keeping the puppet politicians, and the Talking Heads,  in line. Those of us looking into the matter understand that almost every higher up elected official has had to join AIPAC.

              "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
              • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                30. So what are you saying we should do?

                aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • resist99 (883 posts)
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      3. Fighting the corruption of the corporate democrats.

      We need to fight what has become of the Democratic party in every way possible. They are out of control. It seems like the Justice Democrats is a good idea. I have not done a lot of research on them. However I did watch one of the Sane Progressives videos where she pointed out what seems to be reasonable concerns about them. The biggest one to me was that there was already a big name person with a lot of corporate money that already had influence on them. She made some other good points as well though. It seems that the Democrats have been fighting against reform for some time and I worried that this particular attempt may already be short circuited. Has everyone seen the video I am talking about? I think it is important. If others have seen it I would welcome any input. If you haven’t I will try to find a link.

       

      My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
      • resist99 (883 posts)
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        4. I think this is the video that I was talking about.

        There has been a few others since then and I have not watched all of them on this particular topic but I think this is something that people should be aware of at least for the information even if you have answers to what she says.

        *I am watching this video again (it has been a while) and this may not be the video I was talking about. This one talks a lot about the problem of election fraud. She points out that without dealing with this fraud specifically, people will not be able to be voted in. This seems like a decent argument as well, but I will have to find the other video I was talking about.

         

         

        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
      • resist99 (883 posts)
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        5. Here is the video talking about the ties to corporate dems

        In this video she talks about Howard Dean already having influence on the Justice Dems. She also suggests that it might be better to give money directly to the candidates you like. One reason is that different organizations often have money given to them for specific reason but end up giving money to the Democratic Party instead. There may be candidates that you are not happy with etc. If you give money directly to the candidates you like, these problems are not an issue. Following the Justice Dems may be a good way to find out about good candidates, but it may be better to go right to the source. At least that is a lot of what  she says here.

         

        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
        • Charles (1445 posts)
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          6. JD replied on Twitter that they have nothing to do with Dean, Brock, or Soros

          If the Sane Progressive has documents or other factual evidence that states otherwise that you can point to it would be worth looking into. Otherwise I will stick with Justice Democrats and their push for Bernie’s issues like Medicare for All….

           

          • resist99 (883 posts)
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            7. I was just wondering

            I did not look but her youtube videos usually give links. Her arguments sound very reasonable though. You don’t think she makes sense? Giving good candidates attention is great, but taking money in ways like this seems to create problems, not solve them. You did watch the video right? I would like to hear why you disagree. She really makes good points.

             

             

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            • Charles (1445 posts)
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              8. I started to and regret it. She is being completely speculative and offers only

              some weak tie to Howard Dean.

              Those aren’t facts showing Dean’s involvement. That’s just the Sane Progressive’s theory based on trivial hearsay.

              Meanwhile the Justice Democrats are pushing for Medicare For ALL which I support.

              And the Sane Progressive is doing what to help that issue or any progressive issue?

              Sorry. The Sane Progressive is long on opinion and short on facts all the while pouring cold water on any attempt to move forward IMO. That’s not my cup of tea.

              The JD may prove to be a failed effort or it could get co-opted by big money. So far neither has happened. And I’m not going to sit by idly worrying that it could happen because of some random speculation by an internet blogger with no solid plans of their own….

               

               

              • resist99 (883 posts)
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                9. Thanks for your answer.

                After I posted the video, I watched it again. I admit the Howard Dean involvement is not terrible strong. Not hearsay because what she says happened, but certainly not conclusive either. I am completely for things like Medicare for all as well. As for what the Sane Progressive is doing, she is point out the problems with certain plans like the one that the Justice Democrats have. She backs up what she says with things that have happened in the past. I agree, the Howard Dean thing is not worth worrying about. However, many other groups like the Justice Democrats all have the same problems. Isn’t it reasonable to want to give money directly to the candidates that you find important rather than giving it to some group? Groups which often end up giving money directly to the Democratic Party and not the the Candidate you were interested in to begin with? They would most likely pick many candidates I would be happy with. However another problem is that you may not be happy with all of them, but you are stuck with their choices. When the Sane Progressive gives advice that it is better to give money directly to the candidate you want, because their is no concern that they will not get all of the money that sounds like good advice to me. I think that is doing something. I think she has made the point that Bernie Sanders did not need such a group to have a good campaign, after all he was the real winner of the primary. Candidates like him just need more attention. They don’t really need groups to get money for them. Having good candidates that get the attention they deserve allows them to get their own funds. I think pointing these things out is a great service so listening to such advice when it makes sense is worth doing. I hope you understand the way I see these things.

                My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                • Charles (1445 posts)
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                  10. It's always a concern that a group will change. Act Blue allows a platform for

                  candidates to get donations directly.

                  People can donate directly to candidates and set up a personal campaign to help raise funds for a candidate at Act Blue.  Act Blue does make money doing it but it’s an easy, trusted, and effective way to get money directly to  candidate or issue.

                  As for JD they as a collective group have laid out a strong basic issues related platform  , they don’t allow candidates to take corporate money,  they seem pretty well organized, and hopefully they will have an impact on the issues.

                  At some point people need to decide what they are gong to do and what group or groups they will trust to be involved with. A person’s decisions will change as things move forward with their support for particular groups changing or growing stronger.

                  I still support Our Revolution which is the one Bernie was involved in starting. They have more potential conflicts and they have been quieter than Justice Democrats so I am more focused there.  When Lee Camp gets things rolling with the People’s Party and draft Bernie I’m sure I’ll be supportive of much done there as well.

                  The same would be true if  it is the Greens, an Independent, a Socialist, a corporate Democrat, or a Republican does something to make things better.  State ballot initiatives are also a great tool for democratic change and hope 2018 brings many important issues to a public vote in those states.

                  Basically I will support a coalition of groups, candidates, and ballot initiatives in an effort to achieve the change on issues that are not only progressive issues but issues that have shown majority support by the American people in recent polling. …

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  • resist99 (883 posts)
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                    11. I understand

                    I just don’t think anything you have said, addresses the fact that the benefits of these groups do not out weigh the problems. No matter how trustworthy a group is today, who knows what happens tomorrow. When you can just give money right to the person you want, why take a risk? Is there something I am missing? I don’t see why it is not better just to cut out the middleman. Wouldn’t it just be better to do what TYT is already doing by giving good candidates time and allowing people to hear where they stand without getting in the way of money when that can only make problems?

                    My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                    • Charles (1445 posts)
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                      13. Support who you want how you want. But to say a group does no good

                      because others have failed or been co-opted by big money isn’t really fair is it?

                      Who knows what happens tomorrow indeed. Perhaps the Justice Democrats of today become the majority in the Democratic party tomorrow.  Not every good intentioned group fails. True some fade but they did good work while they were formed.

                      Throughout history many groups have formed to work for change and gotten results. JD has only been around 3 months. Hopefully their effort can be given a chance before we declare it useless and corrupt without evidence?

                      If you just want to support individual candidates and issues that’s fine. But I’m not sure why some are so against people organizing to work for progressive change and social justice.

                      The corporations and establishment controlling both parties are well organized and I welcome those willing to organize to inform voters, elect quality candidates, and push for progressive policies. The progressive movement is  very splintered currently. We are going to need all the organization and help we can get ….

                       

                      • resist99 (883 posts)
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                        14. Yes, you are right

                        Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying the group will do no good. I think we need to attack our problems as many was as we possibly can. I was just trying to point out a few things. It seems to me like people in the media could be doing exactly what they are doing without bringing money into it, and that if they did it could even be more helpful. All they would have to do is report on candidates they like and why they like them. … This is whoever, this is what they are standing for, they do not take corporate money, and this is how you can donate directly to them. … To me that seems like it would be a whole lot better. That is just how I see it. Another huge problem is with our elections, so even if this was very successful, more things would have to be done.

                        I am not saying they are not trying to do a good thing, and I hope they are able to do everything they want to do. I was just trying to point out some things that were mentioned because I think it is important to think about. I hope I did not bother you. I do thank you for talking about it with me.

                         

                        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                  • resist99 (883 posts)
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                    12. I guess I just want to point out what Happened to Bernie

                    I don’t see how these groups solve these problems.

                     

                    My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                    • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                      15. I don't like that you are trashing the best the Progressive Movement

                      has going for it without offering anything better.  The Progressive Movement will not benefit from you trashing both Sen Sanders and TYT.

                      Come back when you have something better to offer.

                      aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
                      • resist99 (883 posts)
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                        17. Sorry, I am not trying to do that.

                        I agree. I have come to the conclusion that we should back the Justice Democrats. If something goes wrong with them, I think It will be obvious. However I think the things I mentioned are reasonable concerns that people should be aware of. If there are some people who do not want to support them, they can still listen to what they have to say and even donate to those people directly. That is a suggestion that I think is something better for anyone with concerns. (All of the benefits with much less risk) That is not what I would recommend though.

                         

                        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                      • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                        18. I appreciate that response. A problem with progressives is that many

                        of us let the perfect get in the way of progress.  I fight that in myself.

                        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
                      • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                        21. I see you are going around the board doing this. Anyone who expresses

                        doubt or cynicism about anything ‘progressive’ is told to get on board or get out.

                         

                      • resist99 (883 posts)
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                        22. My views have changed a little since I originally posted these things.

                        I am unsure if you are ridiculing me or the people who are told to get on board or get out. Partially because of talking with people, but also because of looking at these things more, I think it is necessary that we support the Justice Democrats. We have to ‘exhaust our options’. However there are things to worry about, and we have to watch carefully to make sure everything stays the way we want them to be. These things are legitimate concerns that people should know about. I hope you agree. If you have not read and watched these things carefully I think you need to do that whether you support the Justice Democrats or not. I think you should support them.

                         

                        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                      • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                        23. my reply was to the freedom fighter tom paine (who died broke as i recall,

                        with 7 people at his funeral, 2 of whom were black).

                        pretty much reviled by all his former friends

                      • resist99 (883 posts)
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                        24. Thank you

                        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.  
                      • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                        25. I don't demand anyone "get on board" but I do intend to push back when

                        I see posters “going around the board” trashing progressives.

                        I intend to push back when I hear posters here repeating the same “doubt” about the progressives as I hear from both the Right Wing and the Neo-Liberals.

                         

                        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
                      • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                        26. after 30 years of this crap i have plenty of doubts about 'progressives'

                        a rebranding because the same sellouts trashed the brand

                        lesser evil politics guarantees evil

                      • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                        27. Ok so it's apparent that you "have plenty of doubts about progressives".

                        So where does your support lie?

                        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
                      • resist99 (883 posts)
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                        28. My thoughts

                        I think disagreement is something we need. I think it is important to see arguments from different perspectives. If you do not look at things that oppose your views, how would you be able to find out if you were wrong? This is called confirmation bias.

                        I think the best thing to do if you see an opinion that you think is wrong, you should say why. You should make an argument. If you try to convince that person with facts and logic, maybe they will start to agree with you. It is much more effective because it gives others reasons to agree with you rather than just giving up on someone who is a potential ally.

                        I think we are all on the same side. I think it is important to consider that even if other groups are saying something it is not coming from them. It is coming from someone who at least to some degree has many of the same views as you have. It should mean more because of that.

                        Isn’t it better to talk about it and try see things from both sides of an issue? Maybe one person has not seen something before. If you can share a perspective or a certain fact that others don’t know, then that is a plus no matter which side of the argument you are on. I think sharing information can only help everyone involved. Some people will not be persuaded, but others will and that is more important.

                        My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth. -George Washington ... We could start by cutting the Defense Budget and stopping all the war propaganda.