Lancet Letter Demolishes Vaccination

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    • #458353
      ZimInSeattle
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      Says vaccination does not even slow down the pandemic

      An amazing Lancet letter “The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing” was just published.

      The largest significance is that the article WAS ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED BY LANCET. This means that the tide of scientists being scared by government/globalists/Big Pharma funding is turning, and the truth is coming out at the highest levels of science such as the Lancet.

      The article is great, but the things it is saying are a regular subject of our discussion.

      • In the UK it was described that secondary attack rates among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% for vaccinated vs 23% for unvaccinated).

      More: https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lancet-article-demolishes-vaccination

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #458354
      ZimInSeattle
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      13 hr agoLiked by Igor Chudov

      If you view this whole ‘pandemic’ situation through the lens of health, safety, science and saving lives, then most of it makes little sense. If you view it through the lens of money, power, control, and wealth transfer, then all of it makes perfect sense.

      Covid is not an epidemiological story. Covid is a crime story.

      They needed the lockdowns. They needed the lockdowns to be long, destructive and depressing. They need everyone to be scared of more lockdowns so that they can say, “To avoid further lockdowns you need to accept Vaccine Passports.”

      The lockdowns, mandatory muzzles, anti-social distancing and the other measures did nothing to protect or improve public health- they were never designed to do so.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #458366
      GZeusH
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      they would be passing out vitamin D like it was Halloween candy.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

      My pronouns: vuestra merced, monsieur, господин, pana Bogu, πανίσχυρος Δίας

      • #458387
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        … not to mention the actual papers produced as to how this all could have been treated with a 3 prong early intervention, instead of waiting until the cascading out of control full blown ARDS requiring mechanical ventilation and death or high, permanent lung damage-

        • reduce viral load with already safe and effective approved drugs
        • reduce inflammation by steroids or other anti-inflamatories
        • reduce blood clotting by already safe and effective drugs

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

      • #458417
        ZimInSeattle
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        eom

        "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

      • #459571
        eridani
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        –unless you are deficient in Vitamin D.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

        • #459603
          GZeusH
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          Which explains a lot of the lethality of Covid.

          Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

          My pronouns: vuestra merced, monsieur, господин, pana Bogu, πανίσχυρος Δίας

    • #458448
      So Far From Heaven
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      You ever think to find out just who this nut case is???

      Got news Louise, he ain’t what you think he is.

      Igor is an equipment mover.

      No shit.

      Then again, the author is real. But he’s all alone. If you don’t believe me go get the paper.

      No co-authors and no co-authors on any of the COVID related papers he’s published, so any claims of the general medical population being swayed by this is false. As is fully and completely false. If this was actually important, they would be all over it. But to date not a soul is hitching his/her wagon to it.

      • #458462
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I read the Lancet article, honest. And here’s their conclusion:

        It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible an relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures.

        Note that there was absolutely no mention of the actual symptoms of new variants. Not one word. The Lancet is saying that vaccinations do not stop the spread of new variants at all. That, combined with the fact that the new variants are even less dangerous than the original Covid, which had a 0.85% hospitalization rate and a death rate an order of magnitude less than that, says to me that it is rational to question the prevailing American establishment narrative concerning the virus.

        No matter what one’s political ideology is.

        Over 99% of people who “died of Covid” had severe pre-morbidities(which means a lot of things could have pushed them over the edge), some of which you are no doubt intimately familiar with. That figure’s from the CDC, but you never hear the media or our so-called “leaders” mentioning it, do you? It is they who are spreading misinformation, not people like Igor whoever or @ziminseattle .

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        • #458469
          So Far From Heaven
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          @ohiobarbarian.

          EXCEPT the new variant but then, the author of the paper can only attest to those studied before it was written.

          So, the paper has NOTHING that demolishes jack didly here.

          Missing is the information of catch and get hospitalized ratios between vaxed and un-vaxed people and THAT is critical.

          It isn’t about you. It’s about everyone else not being able to receive proper care at a hospital at this point. And all data that I’ve seen proves, beyond any doubt, that vax substantially reduces the person requiring hospitalized care if they get infected.

          To wit there is only a few numbers that mean anything. For example, here in Nuevo Mexico we have approximately 70 percent vaxed. Hospitalizations show a ratio of 15 percent of hospital care COVID issues for those vaccinated versus 85 percent non.

          So, who cares you say?

          Two of the largest metropolitan hospitals and one of the largest regional hospitals have declared emergency actions or issues crises of care mode.

          If I get a fib attack, I won’t get in.

          it’s that simple.

          It ain’t about the generic you in this. I don’t give a rats ass if you catch the shit and die because you didn’t get vaccinated. That’s the idiots problem. How about everyone else?????????

          • #458880
            Voltairine
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            Yup, extreme authoritarianism is characterized by psycopathic degrees of empathy barriers. It’s a socially produced collective mental disease, a symptom of mental and emotional lack of balance caused by class society.

            Aloha!

    • #458449
      So Far From Heaven
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      the paper doesn’t actually demolish anything. Some of it makes sense. Not a lot mind you, but some.

      Read it.

       

    • #458450
      So Far From Heaven
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      getting any traction on his subject matter. He IS from Germany you know?

      From the BBC HERE

      Outgoing Chancellor Angela Merkel described the far-reaching measures as an act of “national solidarity”.

      Only those who have been vaccinated or recently recovered from Covid will be allowed in restaurants, cinemas, leisure facilities and many shops.

      Vaccinations could be made mandatory by February, the chancellor added.

      Germany’s fourth wave of Covid is its most severe so far, with another 388 deaths recorded in the past 24 hours.

      • #458498
        Ohio Barbarian
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        They want to have a handy excuse to shut down strikes and demonstrations, just like the French and American governments do. Plus this gives them an excuse to crack down on immigrants fleeing from American imperial disasters. Just saying their motives are definitely not all about the health of their citizens.

        This isn’t about health. It’s about power and control. You don’t see this shit in Scandinavia. They just treat you if you get sick there. And it’s a common cold virus. That is a scientific fact. Another scientific fact is that common cold viruses mutate into more infectious and less deadly forms, because that’s how they accomplish their only task, which is to replicate.

        No, it’s definitely not about me. I’ve had the virus twice, both the original and the delta variant, and who knows how many times I’ve been infected by other variants and didn’t even notice? I admit my perspective is affected by my employer, who ordered nearly everybody back into the office in July, with masking and social distancing requirements. We get an average of six emails a week saying some employee tested positive for Covid in spite of a vaccine mandate plus social distancing requirements. If this thing was so deadly, then why insist on making people go back to the office when they were more productive working from home?

        Clearly masking, social distancing, and vaccinations–I’m talking a 90% vax rate here–are not working to prevent new infections. Plus, no one who actually tested positive in the last six months has gotten really sick. Not one.

        So why bother? The answer again is power and control, or authoritarianism. That’s it. And all the officials pushing this nonsense are Democrats. I don’t understand the hysteria I’m seeing all over the place. Hell! NPR said 40% of deer tested in New York and Michigan had Covid antibodies. If the fucking deer have it, it’s fucking everywhere. And chances are you’ve already had it yourself. I think it’s OK to relax a little bit.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #458565
          ZimInSeattle
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          Yup. It’s much more about Big Pharma profit than healthcare.

          "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

        • #458882
          Voltairine
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          the goverments pushing extreme authoritarian shit of medical fascism in e.g. Austria, Greece and Hungary are so called “right wing parties”.

          Authoritarianism versus libertarianism is not left vs right issue. This forum was founded by refugees of the budding extreme authoritarian cult in SV. Nowadays it seem that everything in and about state has turned into SV cult.

          Aloha!

          • #458926
            Ohio Barbarian
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            I bet you have some lakes with incredibly clean and clear water, like the three biggest Great Lakes are at Mackinaw Island.

            Anyway, you are absolutely correct. Authoritarianism and libertarianism are not right and left issues. Liberty, equality and common humanity are inherently opposed to societies with class or caste systems.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #459605
          Jan Boehmerman
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          Don’t know where you got that idea.  But the “real left” is almost non-existent in Germany.

          Życie to nie bajka......

    • #458454
      HassleCat
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      What would it look like without vaccinations?

    • #458464
      sadoldgirl
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      @sofarfromheaven:

      Thanks for the info about Merkel. She is stepping out and

      therefore won’t have to deal with the riots this will provoke.

      Typical for her.

      • #458470
        So Far From Heaven
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        That makes zero sense.

        They (and us by the way) better get some way to deal with all this critical hospital problem or the death toll from the anti-vax crown is going to really begin to start killing off a bunch of people.

        It isn’t about fools getting COVID per se.

        It’s about how many get it and require hospitalization. The vaccine really lowers that number.

        • #458499
          Ohio Barbarian
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          Probably because they are against the strongest Covid variant we’ve seen, which is the original one. There are a lot of nasty side-effects being reported in the boosters, though, which were given rubberstamp approval by a corrupt FDA.

          I agree with you that most people should take the first vaccine. But when the WHO and the British Health Service, and Mexico I might add, say most people shouldn’t get the boosters, I think we have to take that seriously.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #458931
          Ohio Barbarian
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          There’s a lot going on in Germany right now, and a lot of it is the working class there demanding more of a say of government and social policy. They don’t like mandates. That happened in the US with the airline blue flu days a couple of months ago, remember? Most airline employees were vaccinated, but wouldn’t stand by and let them fire their comrades who refused to get vaccinated.

          Yet. There was a minister for the government of the Northern Territory who just yesterday said that one could not be anti-mandate and pro-vax at the same time. Saw it on Russell Brand on Rumble. This guy was almost literally frothing at the mouth, and he pointed a lot. He’s full of shit. Of course one can be pro-vax and anti-mandate! I know I am, at least for the first vaccine. A sample size of a billion is big enough for me!

          They’re incarcerating people in Australia for violating Covid restrictions. I think that’s insane, and most definitely not something my ancestor who fought in Washington’s army would approve of his government doing. I fear our already Fascist government will do the same thing here if they think they can get away with it. They’re still keeping kids in cages on the border, you know. Think of all those lucrative contracts the prison industry could get.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #459606
        Jan Boehmerman
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        … is FOR the vaccination program.

        The AfD and the CDU/CSU (far right parties) are the ones against it.

        Życie to nie bajka......

    • #458556
      sadoldgirl
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      @sofarfromheaven:

      I got the first J&J shot in May, which left me in normal condition. In

      the beginning of November I got the booster. I was fine for 2 days. Then

      I became very dizzy and weak. 2days later I felt my heart beating like

      a raging engine, Had never before even felt my heart beating. On day 6

      at last I took my blood pressure, and the machine reported E3, i.e.

      emergency level 3. Now, at my age I was on the lowest bp prescription

      as a precaution.  So for the next 7 days I doubled my medication and

      the pressure went down slowly to normal. I still feel dizzy at times and

      I still have the tingling in my legs every now and then, but start to function

      better. No, this is not about me, because my story is extremely mild in

      comparison to others. I think, jmo, the boosters amplify the amount of

      the spike protein in people’s cells; we don’t have any idea what that does

      to us. However, after this experience I won’t take another amplifying shot.

      I understand your concern about hospital beds, and it is real. My brother

      intends to stay in Madrid instead of returning to Germany for X-mas.

      I think that the only hope we have is that Omicron takes over and is just

      like a mild flu. After all most epidemiologists and virologists admit that

      we cannot “vaccinate” our way out of this. I can certainly see a mandate

      for masking and distancing, but not for forcing people to get something

      into their bodies, which they don’t trust. I don’t know how to solve that

      conundrum, but threats and force will not solve it either. Enjoy your

      evening.

      • #458568
        ZimInSeattle
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        I also have mild pain in the chest from time to time & I’m afraid to get real active. Use to walk 3 miles everyday & ride my bike 30 or 40 miles 2 or 3 times a week. Not an option at this point. Walked about 1.5 miles today & the orchitis I have from the COVID flares up. Really think all this amplified by the cells over manufacturing spike protein flooding my system. Just dreading I have the long COVID and I’ll never be the same.

        "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #458590
      sadoldgirl
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      @ ziminseattle:

      No, don’t give up. It may take you 6 months or a year to get

      rid of it, but I am sure that you can do it. I did not write this for

      any sympathy, but rather for the many people like me or even

      more so for people, who suffer much more without reporting it

      and more intent to fight this out by themselves. Remember that

      during the Victorian times people suffering from Syphillis were

      prescribed Arsenic as a cure. Each time has its belief in science

      as well as quick solutions. There are no simple solutions to any

      endemic disease, but most people demand  them without serious

      criticism. What is the old biblical saying: That too shall pass.

      • #458598
        ZimInSeattle
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        I call bullshit.

        "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

        • #458701
          Pastiche
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          @ ziminseattle

          Do we have rules about posting unfavorable opinions here?

          • #458721
            ZimInSeattle
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            due to the vaxes and athletes collapsing. Apparently that is verboten.

            "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

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