Lawsuit against U.S. Senator–tried to prevent book distribution

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      MackMarkstein
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      Not sure you’ve heard this one. I first heard of it today. Tried to post it 2 hours ago.  It’s about Covid but it isn’t:  ‘Tis also about the First Amendment and the Censorship Culture.
      The Senator is Elizabeth Warren, and that spells integrity, s-n-a-k-e.
      But I didn’t put her name into the subject line, too clickbaity.
      What did she do: According to a lawsuit filed by two authors of a Covid book which does not follow the party line, the Good Senator contacted such book distributors as Amazon and Barnes and Noble and urged them to not carry this, in her self-appointed words, Covid misinformation. She was initially successful at Barnes and Noble.
      I believe she has a law degree and should know better but (a bit of opinion) was probably emboldened by the waves we’re in, of casual trashing by what she considers the Side of Good, trashing of dissent from Tony Fauci’s way being the One True Path. I doubt that Liz has been staying up late reading the immunology journals. She’ll take the CDC’s and alphabet agencies’ word for it.
      The authors and defenders are already covered with mud from the last two years’ information management by the PTB. I, however, think they are rational, scholarly, and brave.
      One quote from the lawsuit (which may or may not be thrown out–we shall see–another interesting lawsuit to follow):
      “Once upon a time, the First Amendment was understood to guarantee that books challenging governmental orthodoxy could be sold without fear of governmental intimidation or reprisal.”

      The authors include (gasp) Dr. Mercola and defenders include (gasp) Robt. F. Kennedy, Jr.
      The full story is (gasp) here:

      https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/joseph-mercola-ronnie-cummins-lawsuit-elizabeth-amazon-first-amendment/

      Burn all copies of this book at once because:

      “…the book contends that the vaccines cannot be trusted.”

      Quote from the world’s foremost expert on the vax-like liquids,and on what can be trusted, Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

    • #454191
      lownslow
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      Money talks. Im buying this book and Kennedys new book about faucci, thanks for posting, Mack

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      Paul H Mentzer
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      How is a Senator’s request to a publisher not to print a book, Government Action? As a Senator she can author a bill to ban such a book and if that bill passes both houses and signed by the President, that would be state action, but to tell someone not to print something is NOT state action. It is State Action to ban printing something that is prohibited by the First Amendement, NOT some Senator’s own requrst to a publisher not to print something.  You may object to her request, but such a request is not State Action and as such is actual protected speech under the First Amendment.

      Freedom of Speech prohibits State Actions to prohibit speech, not a restriction on anyone to request a book not be published. In fact your demand that the Senator is wrong in even making such a request is a demand that she be quiet, i.e. shut her up, for you do not want to hear her. Under your very broad difinition of “Freedom of Speech” you are violating her “Freedom of Speech” by saying she should not make such a request. Remember she is asking the publisher not to print the book as a Citizen who happens to be a Senator, not as a Government official demanding the book not be printed.

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        Jim Lane
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        @paulhmentzer

        The authors of the book can express their views about the pandemic, and Amazon can choose to sell the book. Elizabeth Warren can express her view that Amazon should exercise its unquestioned right to decline to sell the book. @mackmarkstein can express the view that Warren is wrong. Nowhere in any of this is there state action that would trigger the First Amendment.

        If Amazon were selling a book filled with virulent white supremacism or misogyny or homophobia or the like, many of the people criticizing Warren for urging that a book not be sold would themselves be urging that a book not be sold.

        There might be limited circumstances in which a public official’s expression of a personal opinion carried enough of a threat of government action to implicate the First Amendment. For example, a television station that’s seeking a license renewal from the FCC might be considering airing a particular documentary that’s controversial. The FCC Chair, who is known to have great influence on at least two of his or her colleagues (thus making a majority), publicly denounces the documentary and says that any station airing it should expect that decision to play a role in the decision on license renewal. In an extreme case like that, a lawsuit of the type described in the OP might have a chance of success. As it is, however, it’s preposterous to think that the displeasure of one Senator, in a Congress that finds it so difficult to act about anything, is an imminent threat of government action against Amazon. This lawsuit is silly.

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      Pastiche
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