Lee Camp: The CIA Has Been Taking Over for Decades—Even Former Presidents Tried to Warn Us (ScheerPost)

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    • #420131
      mrdmk
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      If you’re looking for proof the CIA and the whole cavalcade of other intelligence agencies working with them have gotten too big, look no further than the DNI’s latest report.

      By Lee Camp

       

      December 22, 1963 — exactly one month after President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated, former President Harry S. Truman published an op-ed in the Washington Post that most people, especially our perfumed ruling elite, wanted to ignore.

      Truman, who signed the CIA into existence just after World War II, wrote, “I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—the CIA. […] For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas. …There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.”

      Not only did that adorn the pages of the Washington Post one month after JFK’s death, Truman hand wrote the first draft just one week after JFK met up with a bunch of bullets in Dallas. Sure, one may wish Harry had sent his thoughts to John a month before the President’s televised execution. Maybe he could’ve sent a singing telegram or something. But let’s at least give Truman partial credit for the belated message.

      Before his death President Kennedy also held no love for the Central Intelligence Agency. Following the calamitous Bay of Pigs invasion, Kennedy said he wanted to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”

      LINK–ScheerPost, Lee Camp: The CIA Has Been Taking Over for Decades—Even Former Presidents Tried to Warn Us

       

      One needs to look no further than the Dulles Brothers and the CIA. In 1947, Allen Dulles would become the head of the CIA and John Foster Dulles would become the Secretary of State. Between the two, they were able to install certified German Nazis into the newly formed CIA. I have no doubt they were good friends J. Edgar Hoover. How could they not be considering, they were the birds of the same feather.

      All kinds of good things happened after WWII to the U.S. Federal Government. Like left-wing leaders with a sign on their back saying, “Shoot Me!”

      Resource Links below:

      LINK–maebrussell.com, The Washington Post December 22, 1963 – page A11 Harry Truman Writes: Limit CIA Role To Intelligence

      LINK–ConsortiumNews, Truman’s True Warning on the CIA By Ray McGovern

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    • #420141
      sadoldgirl
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      Shortly before his death Truman considered the CIA a “Monster”, and

      that was a long time ago.

    • #420167
      GZeusH
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      …were on a feather boa.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

    • #420212
      Earthartist
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      What is really sad is how easily people buy into everything they say. I wonder at this point how many of our politicians are threatened by these goons. I just find it hard to swallow that all these so called progressives turn as fast as they do?

      Earthartist

    • #420233
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      I was just reading Carl Oglesby, Who Killed JFK?  (One of those books I never seem to get around to reading, though its a short one)

      JFK’s Enemies:

      — He lists, w/ explanations,

      The Republicans/Nixon (cause the Ds stole the election from Nixon; otherwise Nixon would have won by 1 electoral vote),

      The Mafia/Sam Giancanna (cause they helped the Ds steal the election & “JFK quickly forgot his debt” & he & RFK went after the Mafia once he was in office),

      LBJ (helped steal the election by disqualifying 100K votes in TX, and then it looked like JFK was going to take LBJ off the ticket for his second term because of the Bobby Baker scandal)

      The Cuban exiles who did the Bay of Pigs (Kennedy let them be taken prisoner by Castro & refused support; this *also* pissed off the Mafia, who wanted their Cuban casinos back)

      The CIA (JFK thought CIA misled him about the strength of the anti-Castro forces & the sympathies of Cubans generally)

      –CIA Director Allen Dulles, Deputy Director Gen Charles Cabell (brother of the Mayor of Dallas), and Deputy Director Richard Bissell.

      “Kennedy went on to ransom the Bay of Pigs prisoners for tractors & promised them another try at overthrowing Castro. Then he surrounded Cuba with a naval blockade and forced Kruschev to remove his missles.  After the missle crisis he abandoned the anti-Castro movement altogether…closed its training bases in Florida and Louisiana, promised the USSR he would respect Cuban sovereignty and began to negotiate for improved relations with Castro”

      The USSR: Kruschev read JFK as an ineffectual leader who could be pushed around, POV reinforced when the Russians built the Berlin Wall w/o any strong response from the US.

      –The US right-wing: Also saw JFK as a pussy for the above reasons and for signing the test ban treaty with Russia “which made the right wing think he accepted Russian control of Eastern Europe and the Baltic & was surrendering in the Cold War”

      The military establishment:  Kennedy didn’t think Vietnam was winnable w/o a huge committment of resources; was making moves to w/draw troops and get out of the war.  The military establishment and the right didn’t like that, expected dominoes to fall & leave all SE Asia communist.

      The South:  Encouragement of the civil rights movement (e.g. federal troops to integrate U of MS, support of civil rights legislation)

      That’s chapter 1, which is as far as I’ve got.

       

      Carl Oglesby (1935-2011) was President of SDS 1965-66.

      “On November 27, 1965, Oglesby gave a speech, “Let Us Shape the Future,” before tens of thousands of anti-war demonstrators in Washington. He compared the Vietnam revolution to the American revolution. He condemned corporate liberalism and accused corporate anti-Communists of self-righteously denouncing Communist tyranny, while ignoring the “right-wing tyrannies that our businessmen traffic with and our nation profits from every day.”[7][8] The speech became one of the most important documents to come out of the anti-war movement. According to Kirkpatrick Sale: “It was a devastating performance: skilled, moderate, learned, and compassionate, but uncompromising, angry, radical, and above all persuasive. It drew the only standing ovation of the afternoon… for years afterward it would continue to be one of the most popular items of SDS literature.””

      “He was forced out of SDS in 1969…According to Oglesby, Kennedy was killed by “a rightist conspiracy formed out of anti-Castro Cuban exiles, the Syndicate, and a Cowboy oligarchy, supported by renegade CIA and FBI agents.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Oglesby

       

       

    • #420245
      Babel 17
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      Kowtow to their agenda or prepare to get pilloried.

      And they can make stuff happen, at the worst possible time, to undermine elected officials. And they can do the opposite, like when they strong armed the intelligence community to rubber stamp the Bush administration’s fantasies regarding the compelling need to invade Iraq.

    • #420287
      Ohio Barbarian
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      His brother Bobby came up with that when he decided to run for President over four years later. I think he was lying about it. JFK was a Cold Warrior all the way, and he was killed by a lone gunman. Americans just didn’t want to believe it and still don’t.

      Y’all can spare yourselves the effort of trying to convince me otherwise, and I’ll spare the effort of arguing with anyone. Just saying not everybody believes in that particular conspiracy theory that hasn’t been proven and never will. Not after all this time. I don’t even care anymore who killed JFK. I’m just glad we got LBJ and some progressive legislation afterwards.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #420290
        MizzGrizz
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        ..after the Bay of Pigs.

        For a lot of what went wrong,blame Ike.He gave Dulles a lot of power and that gradually turned the Agency from Truman’s concept of  a clearinghouse of information about other countries to a government within a government.

        That probably started around 1953 when Ike gave Dulles the green light to overthrow Mohammed Mossadegh,

    • #420288
      David the Gnome
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      @mizzgrizz

      That there are once again considerable “tensions” (largely intelligence “community” manipulated) with Cuba and Russia now, as well.  The Vietnam war ended decades ago – but the cold war seems to have only paused briefly.

      I think our alphabet agencies instigated the war in Syria.  I think they have instigated much of what is happening in Iran and Iraq as well.  Now though, the focus seems to be on Russia.  Like it was with the Soviets.

      It makes me wonder how many high ranked intelligence officials are old men and women who have been yearning for a war with Russia for decades.  They probably have the influence and ability to keep things “escalating”.

      Yep, Schumer and others with their praise for the “intelligence community” are bringing about a new era of bull shit propaganda.  Trump was a corrupt idiot – but I do think he handled relations with Russia much better.

      Now, the sanctions, diplomats expelled, the situation with Ukraine…

      The current pandemic, the rise of China and many other things, have the West (and particularly the U.S.) looking for scapegoats.  Russia, China,

    • #420311
      sadoldgirl
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      The US is ruled by imperialists, and so is the CIA. Propaganda

      campaigns for wars have always been strong. “Remember the

      Maine” was the false flag for the Spanish-American war. In addition

      we always needed scapegoat enemies even if only to divert from a

      disastrous situation at home. By now the CIA controls the media

      and thereby a large part of our population. After all “gullible” does

      not exist in our dictionaries.

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