Liza Featherstone: Adam Schiff Is a Dangerous Warmonger

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    • #255855
      RufusTFirefly
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      Adam Schiff is a Dangerous Warmonger

      We’d like to be on his side. After all, he’s working hard to take down Donald Trump, one of the worst presidents in American history. But let’s not get carried away in fandom. Schiff is a dangerous warmonger, and his efforts to fuel paranoia about Russia only serve to feed that agenda. It would be admirable if Schiff’s impeachment crusade was limited to Trump’s corruption. But something else drives him: he wants a proxy war in Ukraine with Russia, and he has for some time.

      As Jacobin’s own Branko Marcetic observed two years ago, Schiff’s bellicosity is extensively funded by arms manufacturers and military contractors. A Ukrainian arms dealer named Igor Pasternak held a $2,500 per head fundraiser for Schiff in 2013, as the late Justin Raimondo reported in a terrific analysis on Antiwar.com in 2017, at a time when Ukraine was desperately trying to counter the Obama administration’s disinterest in funding its war with Russia. Despite that disinterest, the State Department approved some very profitable dealings for Pasternak in Ukraine after that fundraiser.

      Guess what these companies want? War with Ukraine. Why wouldn’t they? Last October, the United States approved a $39 million sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine, a joint contract between Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. The previous year, Ukraine bought $37 million worth of missiles from the same two companies. As a missile-maker, Zacks Equity Research has noted, Northrop Grumman also benefits richly from conflict in Ukraine, as missiles are heavily used in cross-border wars.

      https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/adam-schiff-warmonger-impeachment-ukraine-russia-syria?src=ilaw

    • #255859
      TheHermit
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      Yes.  This is definitely not a situation where “the enemy of my enemy must be my friend.”

    • #255867
      RufusTFirefly
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      @thehermit

      Yes! This is what drives me nuts about this whole black and white proceeding.

      Unlike quite a few members of this board, I fully support — on Constitutional principle and out of fear of dangerous precedent — the impeachment of Donald Trump. I’ve never in my lifetime — or, for that matter, in my knowledge of American history — encountered a President who was so blatantly deserving of impeachment. In fact, as many have observed, the impeachment clause seems to have been included precisely to deal with the sort of high crimes and misdemeanors that Trump is accused of. I know we don’t seem to have the votes to convict, but if we don’t try, we might as well delete the impeachment clause.

      Yet, I don’t buy into the whole Russiagate hysteria and the extremely dangerous, self-serving saber rattling, nor do I view the serially corrupt Bidens as victims. And, frankly, I do wonder what happened to the DNC server.

      Unfortunately, reminiscent of the old “you’re either with ’em or agin ’em” saying, I find myself in a very lonely gray area at a time when there seems to be no room for nuance.

      Frankly, I think this is frighteningly similar to the unfortunate predicament that many American voters were in when they were pressured to choose between Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

      • #255876
        TheHermit
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        @rufustfirefly

        I’m with you 100% on all that.  2016 was the devil or the deep blue sea….frying pan or the fire.

        Impeaching Trump is simultaneously a moral, ethical, political imperative, and a total diversion and waste of time.

        But who is to blame for the absurdity of our situation?  The laziness, self-centeredness, and short-sightedness of us, the American citizenry.

        Who was it that said “a Republic, if you can keep it?’

        We are about to find out if impending doom on so many fronts is enough to wake us out of our stupor, and if we still have the fortitude to do anything about the situation.

        The upcoming primaries and presidential election are only the first tiny steps of a frantic journey if we are save ourselves and the planet.  And Bernie is the only candidate with an understanding and determination to help lead us on that journey.

      • #255891
        ThouArtThat
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        @rufustfirefly

        Hi rtf,

        Agree that the sitting President is guilty of something.  The problem I have with the current action is simple.  There where better charges to be used against the President than a quid pro quo.  And those better charges were based on corruption and the emoluments clause to the constitution.  Since most citizens could much more readily understand that line of inquiry, it is a mystery it was not used.  Unless of course it would have exposed some form of malfeasance by the Vichy Dems.

        Also agree that the Russia hysteria is a diversion since we know that excuse was created by the Clinton campaign in 2016.  We also know that the so called Russia bots spent a paltry 100K on Facebook ads.  When, in reality, the real 2016 coercion was via Cambridge Analytica to the tune of millions of dollars.  And that coercion used “weapons grade” software based on psychometric profiling to sway voters.  Weapons grade software, millions of dollars, psychometric profiling versus 100K, it all begs credulity.

        As to the DNC server, the only conclusion to be reached when vital evidence either goes missing or is mysteriously never investigated is rather simple: it would expose or embarrass the powers that be.  Since we now live in a country where “Nothing matters and anything goes” it is self evident that much embarrassment is to be had all around.  Can’t have our betters suffer any disgrace; shudder the thought.

        TAT

        ps – “Nothing matters and anything goes” coined by author James Kunstler.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
        - John F. Kennedy

        "In a Time of Universal Deceit - Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act."
        - George Orwell

        "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
        Rather than truth as the authority."
        - Gerald Massey

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        • #255996
          sadoldgirl
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          @thouartthat:

          I disagree and have done so ever since Russia-gate surfaced

          The Dems themselves could not have stirred up an over two

          year hysteria. It needed the support of the MIC/CIA/FBI

          institutions (which included the M$M). The true reasons

          for their participation in this hoax are not clear to me, but

          I would guess $$$$ and power played a role, outside of

          their distain for Trump.

          • #256076
            ThouArtThat
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            @sadoldgirl

            Hi sog,

            Well then – we will have to agree to disagree.  The record is clear from the Clinton campaign that they planned to blame their loss on the Russians.  And this is what they have done over the last three years.  If in stoking those flames within their supporters they happened to find allies elsewhere, I am sure that Clinton and her minions were happy to receive the additional  support.  That Clinton and her team never accepted responsibility for their loss to Trump is also clear from the record.  Ergo, it is the conclusion of this voter that Russia was a proxy excuse used by Clinton because she could not accept her defeat.

            When one actually investigates the work Cambridge Analytica did then one realizes that their influence in 2016 was much, much more damaging than anything a few Russia bots did.  But then blaming ones loss on actual facts is not nearly as sensational as dredging up decades old suspicions about “The Communists”.

            TAT

            "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
            - John F. Kennedy

            "In a Time of Universal Deceit - Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act."
            - George Orwell

            "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
            Rather than truth as the authority."
            - Gerald Massey

            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
            - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    • #255972
      RufusTFirefly
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      I agree with you, @thouartthat

      Just as Trump should have been easy to beat in 2016, he should be relatively easy to convict in 2020. Yet in each case, it seems the Democrats found a way to f it up.

    • #256004
      Earthartist
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      The game it seem is to keep us divided and in full hate mode with each other.  Along come Bernie to disrupt all the hate.

      And all that hate is starting to turn on him and he is like the energizer bunny he just keeps going!

      Earthartist

    • #256008
      sadoldgirl
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      There was sound reasoning behind Obama’s refusal to

      send weapons to Ukraine. Who is mad enough to want

      a war with Russia?! In other words: Who was supposed

      to get hit by those weapons but Russia.

      ”  We have to fight Russia there, so that we don’t have to

      fight them here” was Schiff’s statement. Who declared

      that war, and when did Russia attack us? I think that is was


      @ohiobarbarian
      , who reported that the nuclear clock  is

      by now only 100 seconds from12.

      • #256032
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @sadoldgirl Yep. That was me, and the completely unnecessary escalation with Russia was one of the reasons the clock ticked a few seconds. Wanna bet it goes back half a minute if Bernie is elected president?

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #256012
      RufusTFirefly
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      Excellent points, @sadoldgirl

      Schiff’s risible rationale was worthy of some bizarre Cold War retrospective.

      Moreover, just imagine how we’d freak out if Putin surrounded the U.S. with Russian-aligned military bases.

      Come to think of it: we don’t even have to imagine it.

      The Cuban Missile Crisis brought the world to the brink of destruction. But luckily, we had some grownups in charge back then.

      If I were a praying man, I’d be praying right now.

    • #256037
      Ohio Barbarian
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      What a corrupt son of a bitch. At least so long as he’s tied up in that ridiculous impeachment trial he can’t do any real damage. These Corruptocrats need to be defeated, period.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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