Lock him up!’ chant breaks out multiple times at the Bernie Sanders/Ilhan Omar rally

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  • #211006

    ravensong
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    Bernie Sanders is hosting a rally in Minneapolis with squad member Ilhan Omar when a “lock him up” chant broke out during his speech:

    It happened during Ilhan Omar’s introduction, too:

    They were chanting it outside as well:

    ‘Lock him up!’ chant breaks out multiple times at the Bernie Sanders/Ilhan Omar rally

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  • #211309

    N2Doc
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    I don’t like it. We shouldn’t be imitating the MAGA’s.

    • #211370

      ravensong
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      You make a good point, but a whole lot of people despise Trump for what he has done and what he is doing to our country, and are very angry at him.  Hopefully these angry voters will turn out to vote, and bring their family and friends with them.

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    • #211622

      Jan Boehmermann
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      I hope Bernie silenced/disapproved of that chant quickly!

  • #211435

    xyzse
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    I’m not in to that type of chanting.  Well, it makes sense, and they are more than welcome to do it.

  • #211454

    Ohio Barbarian
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    There is nothing wrong with people chanting to lock up a criminal president. Besides, it’s karma. Trump had this coming, and it’s relatively mild. They could be chanting “Off with his head!”, you know.

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  • #211468

    game meat
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    When Trump started the ‘lock her up’ chant, the Democrats feigned horror, and likened the rhetoric of jailing your political opponent to third world, banana republic stuff.

    You can’t have standards for political discourse when you believe they don’t apply to people you like and only people you don’t like are expected to adhere to them.

    If you want the moral high ground, then you have to lead by example. If you don’t care, then by all means, take off the gloves and go out there and crack skulls. You can’t have both though.

    I’m not so sure rolling around in the mud with Trump is the way to beat him. He’s a lot more comfortable in there. It’s his natural habitat, after all.

    • #211519

      JonLP
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      Trump is actually breaking the law though. I’m sure if he wasn’t President he would be indicted.

      • #211520

        game meat
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        And Hillary wasn’t hopelessly corrupt too. Please…

        • #211521

          JonLP
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          They wanted to lock her up over emails well they investigated completely and cleared her but not others. Bernie Sanders who had the most to gain from this didn’t even bother bringing up emails. He pointed out her corruption in other ways.

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            game meat
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            The fact that she was not criminally charged with anything is not the same thing as being “completely cleared” of any wrong doing. That is just hillbot spin. It was even admitted that if a lower level employee had done the same thing, they would have definitely been fired and possibly brought up on charges. It was just another example of the rich and powerful not being held to the same standards as the rest of us.

            Trump is guilty of plenty of things and has not been criminally charged with anything either, so if that is your criteria, he’s in the same general place that Hillary was. ‘But Trump..” Who cares? They’re both criminals.

            There’s a fair case to be made in justifying the chants, but “it’s only bad when Trump does it” doesn’t cut it.

             

             

             

            • #211730

              JonLP
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              She is a private citizen so she can be indicted unlike the President. He committed obstruction of justice & witness tampering with his Twitter account. He is not being cleared with this impeachment inquiry for something that would lock up a private citizen.

              • #211811

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                You don’t know what is going to happen to Trump, and you don’t know what, if any, charges would be pursued against him if he were a private citizen. You can only speculate what will happen when he leaves office just like everyone else. The email investigation was still ongoing when the ‘lock her up’ chants began, btw. And I clearly remember people thinking she would definitely suffer consequences back then too.

                So he’s the president and she was a private citizen at the time. So what? What possible difference does any of this make regarding the topic at hand anyway? You just keep moving the goal posts to justify this behavior as only being bad when Trump fans do it by working out all sorts of ways to excuse Clinton. Nah, don’t buy it.

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            They didn’t “clear” her. The FBI just didn’t pursue it any further.

            And the Clintons are certainly not innocent. There is all sorts of corruption surrounding them. Plus Bill has been accused of rape and sexual assault.

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  • #211525

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    Put me down as opposition to such chants too.

    Are we a nation of vigilantism or are we a nation of laws?

    String them up first and simply dispense with the trial?

    If our swamps are ever to be drained of the vermin, the creatures of that swamp deserve representation-deserve due process and deserve to face their future as defined by an informed citizenry.

    Those members of our electorate who think it wise to run out into the streets willy nilly brandishing pitchforks and hoes are truly idiots…and by idiots I refer to it’s root word ‘idiota’ which is in ancient Greek, (or Roman, I forget which), for those who society is not going to allow the right to vote.

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      Wiki: The word “idiot” comes from the Greek ἰδιώτης, <i>idiōtēs</i> ‘a private person, individual’, ‘a private citizen‘ (as opposed to an official), ‘a common man’, ‘a person lacking professional skill, layman’, later ‘unskilled’, ‘ignorant’ from ἴδιος, <i>idios</i> ‘private’, ‘one’s own’.<sup id=”cite_ref-lsj_3-0″ class=”reference”>[3]</sup> In Latin, <i>idiota</i> was borrowed in the meaning ‘uneducated’, ‘ignorant’, ‘common’,<sup id=”cite_ref-4″ class=”reference”>[4]</sup> and in Late Latin came to mean ‘crude, illiterate, ignorant’.<sup id=”cite_ref-5″ class=”reference”>[5]</sup> In French, it kept the meaning of ‘illiterate’, ‘ignorant’, and added the meaning ‘stupid’ in the 13th century.<sup id=”cite_ref-6″ class=”reference”>[6]</sup> In English, it added the meaning ‘mentally deficient’ in the 14th century.<sup id=”cite_ref-oed_2-1″ class=”reference”>[2]

      </sup>”Deprived of right to vote” is not among the etymological meanings. I like the etymological meaning “individual” best. ;)

       

      Aloha!

  • #211624

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    “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

    ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

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      One of the most important and difficult lessons of life to learn.

      Aloha!

  • #211627

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    Sorry, I don’t like these kinds of slogans, though

    they are effective. Bernie should have immediately

    changed that to:”Vote him out!”.

  • #211630

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    I would not be surprised to learn that the chants were instigated by DNC plants in the audience as a way to distract from Bernie’s message and reinforce the DNC’s “impeach our way to electoral success” message.

    His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
    but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
    and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
    more deadly than his right had been.

    • #211723

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      Big +1

      I had not thought of that.

      One might create a list of agents provocateurs here from ordinary Trump supporters to partisan or corporate supported members from the FBI or DHS.

      Yeah, I know it strikes of paranoia but it is not like such tactics haven’t been used (against the citizenry) before by our government.

      Any of these groups might be trying to stir up anti-Sanders controversy for the media to latch onto.

      The narritive being that Berni Sanders supporters are just as “out there or worse” than Trump supporters.

      The goal might be to help pave the way for Trump to run against someone he might be able to win against OR to ensure that the Dem nominee is anyone but Bernie.

      • #211734

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        People at the World Series chanted “lock him up” I doubt they were all plants. Some Bernie Sanders supporters like myself would like to see him impeached.

        • #211817

          Voltairine
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          Serious question: impeached on political or legal grounds?

          In this specific case, which is limited to Ukrainegate alone, impeach on political grounds no matter what cause he’s Trump, or on legal grounds, based on the evidence provided of some high crime or misdemeanor related to the Trump – Zelensky telephone call? BTW Sanders, as member of Senate, does not decide over impeachment, but decides over possible impeachment in the role of judge – which will take loads of time away from campaigning…

          Aloha!

        • #211992

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          I wouldn’t say I believe that the chants originated from agents provacateur, just that it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case.

          However I am at the point in my political life where I find these kinds of things to generate more heat than light, and I think we’re in a pretty dark place right now.

          His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
          but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
          and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
          more deadly than his right had been.

    • #211980

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      I think you’ve nailed it! This chanting would not be approved by Bernie.

      Bernie will beat Trump fair and square at the ballot box, just like Trump beat Hillary. Sore losers and whiners should not be tolerated.

  • #211706

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    I don’t like this at all and have trouble believing that anybody who truly supports what Bernie stands for would say it.

  • #211900

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    Count me among those who disapprove of chants that hint at vigilantism.

    And kudos to @janboehmermann for contributing an apt Nietzsche quote.

  • #211923

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    If you can call it a caveat: MAGA’s chanted ‘send her back’ of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar of Minnesota at a rally in Minnesota (possibly in Minneapolis, where Bernie’s event was last night) a few months back. I’d guess some Minnesotans might still be bent out of shape by those MAGA chants. The state went 60/39 or some such for Bernie vs. shill in the 2016 MN primary. Wouldn’t surprise me if, for some, the chanting last night was tit-for-tat, against the Minnesota MAGA rally chants. Don’t know/wasn’t there/not from Minnesota/two wrongs don’t make a right, but just my 2 cents.

  • #211979

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    Where were these chanters when Obama and Hillary were killing hundreds of thousands of Syrians and Libyans?

    Lock Trump up for jay walking? Seriously?

    My perspective is that Obama, Bush, and Hillary should be indicted for crimes similar to the war crimes of world war II.

    • #211993

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      In our current political climate there is a limited number of things about which liberals and progressives are allowed to be outraged.

      Industrialized murder of brown people in foreign countries is not one of them.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

  • #212062

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    Well, aren’t we all so politely and snobbishly bourgeois here? Everybody’s panties in a twist because a crowd of normally polite lefty Minnesotans were oh, so rude!

    And then all the nonsense of whattabout Bush, Obama, Clinton, Whoever? Wag the finger, shame on them!

    Y’all are judging the past by today’s standards. Back when Obama was president, it just never occurred to most people that the President, any President, should be locked up because of his political positions or foreign policies. That hadn’t happened in a long time, not for most people. Then, in 2016, a man running for President had his crowds shouting that his major opponent should be locked up over–an email server?–but it caught on because Hillary really was corrupt.

    Well, so is Trump, and Trump don’t play nice. Nobody’s going to beat him by playing nice. You gotta break his jaw and kick him in the balls. Hit him hard. And yes, he can be outnastied because the truth about him is self-evident, and even someone as cultured as Bernie describes him as a liar, a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a corrupt criminal. “Lock him up” is the logical next step, and should happen once he no longer holds office.

    Whatever didn’t happen to Bush or Clinton or Whoever, no matter how richly they deserved it, doesn’t change the fact that Donald Trump really should be locked up.

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    I understand the frustrations of many liberals/progressives with the moronic chants of Trump and his supporters (“Lock her up!”, “Build the wall and Mexico will pay for it!”

    I suppose there is some satisfaction for ‘giving the other side a taste of their own medicine’ but I strongly doubt that Bernie wants to endorse a practice of locking up past presidents. (Even those whom Bernie calls ‘the most corrupt president in history’.) OTOH, I remember my frustration with Obama for not ‘looking back’ at the crimes of Bush. Instead, he ‘looked forward’ and left the Bush legacy unprosecuted.

    One of many difficult decisions that President Sanders will have to make. Investigate (and potentially ‘lock up’) Trump or ‘look forward’ and avoid setting what might be a bad precedent for the treatment of future ex-presidents.

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    • #212568

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      @peacecorps There should be no more of this “looking forward, not back.” If Trump is defeated next November, the next President should let the legal chips fall where they may, and if Trump ends up in prison, then so be it.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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