Los Angeles bans unvaccinated people from being out in public

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    • #448555
      jbnw
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      OK – it’s an exaggeration, but not that much of a stretch —

      From https://www.kron4.com/health/coronavirus/los-angeles-vaccine-mandate/ :

      LOS ANGELES (AP) — Los Angeles leaders on Wednesday approved one of the nation’s strictest vaccine mandates — a sweeping measure that would require the shots for everyone entering bars, restaurants, nail salons, gyms or even a Lakers game.

      The ordinance would require people to be fully vaccinated to enter indoor public spaces including shopping malls, restaurants, bars, gyms, sports arenas, museums, spas, nail salons, indoor city facilities and other locations. Current vaccine eligibility includes people age 12 and up.

      Negative coronavirus tests within 72 hours of entry to those places would be required for people with religious or medical exemptions for vaccinations.

      If the news report is correct, a test is only permitted for entry with a medical or religous exemption. If you just chose not to, you’re not allowed in at all.

      Another report says grocery stores and pharmacies are not included, but if LA is like Portland, it’s very hard to find a coronavirus test that promises results even within 72 hours – and you need that within two days get one day out in public. In Portland, most places advertise results within two to five business days.

    • #448557
      Jan Boehmerman
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      Famous quote: Mary Mallon .  ;

    • #448573
      HassleCat
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      There aren’t many Amish people in Los Angeles.

    • #448589
      Ohio Barbarian
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      It will work because many people will get vaccinated just so they can get into those places. Assuming the goal is to get more people vaccinated, that goal will be achieved.

      But this will not help the trust-in-government-and-institutions index one bit.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #448605
      David the Gnome
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      The J & J vaccine has a 66% efficacy rate and the Pfizer and moderna are in the 80s or 90s as far as efficacy goes.  That is, the chance of not testing positive, I think.

      So, this could be effective in dramatically reducing the number of new covid cases in LA.

      I don’t really like it either, but I can’t fault the authorities for doing this, not in this case.  LA is massively and densely populated and a lot of the people who haven’t gotten vaccinated yet are probably living in fairly congested areas.

      The big issue that comes to mind for me is that this sort of method could easily be abused.

    • #448620
      Snort McDork
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      Good luck with that. All the Karen’s will come out of the woodwork with their YouTube videos screaming bloody hell.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

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    • #448637
      Scott Crowder
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      As already pointed out by many accredited scientific studies, being vaxxed does not reduce the spread of the virus so limiting unvaxxed people isn’t about public safety.

      It’s about control.

    • #448718
      MackMarkstein
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      Hit job, and therefore the first thing I found in Google search about the Vietnam hospital breakthrough case study.
      But even this, though it doesn’t say these vaxed people had higher viral loads than unvaxed, said *as high* viral loads. Still begs the question, why are we led to think the unvaxed are a threat to the vaxed, and not vice versa. Equal opportunity threats!
      https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-275980853664
      As for whether a vaxed person carries the viral load for a shorter time while asymptomatic and thus going out in public, I would like to see actual data proving that…For now I doubt there is any.
      https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-275980853664

      • #449015
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        Children’s Health Defense is an example of how the AP runs an article with the intent to cancel RFK Jr. with CHD’s work. They use a link to the AP’s own article to do so. Staying classy and corporately control, I give you the Associated Press, which once had a good reputation, just like so many other sources within the mainstream media.

        Now, reading the AP article, they beg the question as to why RFK Jr’s Facebook and Twitter accounts shouldn’t also be cancelled.

        When you drill down further and see that as many vaccinated persons colonize evidence of COVID-19 exposure as unvaccinated, you ought to ask yourself more about the 2 cohorts of people they were comparing. From an Aug 28th study-

        Methods

        We retrospectively identified all Veterans with a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection >14 days after the second dose of either Pfizer-BNT-162b2 or Moderna-mRNA-1273 vaccine between December 15, 2020 and March 30, 2021, and age, race, sex, body mass index, Charlson comorbidity index, geographical location, and date of positive test matched unvaccinated controls with SARS-CoV-2 infection. Our primary endpoint was the rate of severe disease or death defined as hospitalization, admission to ICU, mechanical ventilation, or death in both groups.

        Findings

        Among 258,716 persons with both doses of vaccines and 756,150 without any vaccination, we identified 271 (0.1%) vaccinated persons with breakthrough infection and 48,114 (6.4%) unvaccinated matched controls with infection between December 15, 2020 and March 30, 2021. Among 213 matched pairs, symptoms were present in 33.3% of those with breakthrough infection and 42.2% of the controls. A total of 79 persons met the definition of severe disease or death (42 in the breakthrough infection group and 37 in the control group). Rate of severe disease or death per 1,000 person-days (95% CI) was 4.08 (2.84,5.31) among those with breakthrough infection and 3.6 (2.53,4.73) among the controls (P = 0.58). Rate was similar among both groups regardless of age-group, race, BMI or presence of comorbidities. Among persons with breakthrough infection and matched controls with infection, vaccination was not associated with a lower risk of severe disease or death in the main analyses but was associated with a lower risk when matching did not include geographic location (HR 0.62, 95% CI 0.43,0.91).

        Interpretation

        Demographic or clinical factors are not associated with a lower risk of severe disease or death in persons with breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infection.

        Funding

        None
        Did the vaccinated cohort continue to wear masks out in public? Did the unvaccinated? I don’t see this mentioned in the publication online from the Lancet. However, the methods and fact the retrospective study it wasn’t funded by anyone gives it high credibility as someone who reads the journals and understands statistics, too.
        The AP wants to apply cancel culture outright to someone who has followed the science and has something else to say.

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #448853
      David the Gnome
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      That getting vaccinated lowers the risk of actually getting COVID-19, though it doesn’t eliminate it completely.

      I have heard nothing convincing about it causing fertility issues – though it is possible that some could have such a reaction to it.


      @scottcrowder

      I’d like to see whatever articles you’ve got that say otherwise.

    • #449154
      retired liberal
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      It it because those people thought they were immune and went mask-less into crowds, like sports events, crowded bars, and other places, events with lots of other people in attendance?

      “There comes a point where we need to stop just pulling people out of the river, We need to go upstream and find out why they’re falling in.
      Desmond Tutu.”

      That said, which vaccine did these people get? Were they “Fully” vaccinated? How long after the second shot? Did they wear a mask regularly, when out in public? Is anyone bothering to find the cause of these Break Through cases?

      I have read that the Pfizer vaccine is all but ineffective after 6 months of the 2nd shot. Which is why they keep pushing continuing booster shots they way they do. It is my opinion that Pfizer should not get full approval. They have proven time after time that they are a shyster business.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
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      • #449168
        jbnw
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        Oregon has a higher case rate now than they did before vaccination, and masks are again required.

        But more businesses are open and people are out more.

        So is it a behavior change, the vaccines don’t work well against the Delta variant, or something else?

        Since the agreed upon story is note that you can get and spread COVID if vaccinated, the only benefit is that you are less likely to die from it – and some articles, like the one from The Lancet from @mrmickeysmom are calling that into question.

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