lying, ignorant, or delusional?

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    • #331318
      sonofspy777
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      I’ve voted by mail. It’s dead easy, and its secure. Here’s how it worked for me:

      After you fill out the ballot, you put it in an envelope labeled ‘Secrecy Envelope’, and seal the envelope. The Secrecy Envelope is then placed in an ‘Affidavit Envelope’, which you have to sign and date and seal that as well. The Affidavit Envelope is then placed in the ‘Return Envelope’, which also has to be sealed. All of these envelopes are the old-fashioned lick-and-seal type, not the fancy new remove-a-strip-and-press type. If you want to vote Absentee, you have to be willing to sacrifice a lot of saliva.

      What I didn’t say — and didn’t know at the time — is that the Return Envelope had a unique barcode for each ballot to insure the individual ballot corresponded with the envelope. Nor was I aware that my signature on the Affidavit Envelope could be quickly compared to my signature which is kept on file by the local election office (you’ll recall you had to sign up to vote the very first time; you also signed in to register for every earlier in-person election).

      https://gregfallis.com/2020/06/23/lying-ignorant-or-delusional/

      Bernie figured he could do more good ALIVE,
      than dead in a small plane "accident".
      I think he's right.

      Don't you?

    • #331321
      sadoldgirl
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      It still will be going through an electronic scanner,

      which has been programmed. For what and by whom

      we don’t know.

    • #331324
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @sadoldgirl And therein lies the problem.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #331326
      djean111
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      Or someone decides the signatures do not match and tosses it.  Or it is scanned, but given to another candidate.  Or lots of the mail-in ballots are from people who have not voted in a while, info readily available online, and signatures copied.  Or your registration has somehow disappeared and your ballot is tossed.  And remember, the DNC says it has a perfect right to do any of that during its primaries.  Why would anyone not think both parties do things like that?  Paper ballots, counted on live cameras.

    • #331331
      bazukhov
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      We’ve been voting by mail for at least 30 years.

      No problems.

      Any method used is likely to have flaws.   Unless you believe in some overwhelming “Deep State” (EEEK!!) conspiracy theory your vote is probably as safe as any other.  Not to mention if both sides are vote tampering they’re probably canceling each other out.

      Another thing to consider.   Your single vote, cast or not, no matter for which candidate, will have no effect on the outcome of a presidential election.

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #331351
      beeninthewoods
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      in a way that suggest you will vote a certain direction. Easy to throw out 10-20,000 votes based on “signature didn’t match” in urban areas or other areas with high minority concentration. If those votes go 80% Dem, then HRC loses Michigan by 10,000 votes!

    • #331359
      peacecorps
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      because they have to suppress the vote to have any chance of being re-elected. Voter suppression, in all of its guises, is about the only strategy they have.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

    • #331371
      Earthartist
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      It works well. We have had very few issues. I even worked as an election observer during the 2016 election and I can say it was boring. Which is a good thing.
      Watching people hand count ballots and double check marks can get pretty old. There were 0 disputes.

      Earthartist

    • #331390
      Red Cloud
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      for a position and see if the final vote includes a dozen or so votes…

    • #331393
      Maedhros
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      That is true.

      But it DOES solve the big problems of having to take time off from work to vote and the paucity of polling locations making it hard to vote.

      Those are two very big hurdles for working people, and anything we can do to get more working peoples’ votes into the system is good – even if the system is flawed.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

      • #331683
        game meat
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        Yes. I see no reason to oppose it whatsoever. It may not solve every problem but it solves some problems which is better than solving no problems.

        The worst case scenario is you participate in the same rigged election without the added inconvenience of having to take off from work and wait in long lines.

    • #331536
      doh1304
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      Then it is still superior.

      Then again, the signiture on my record was before I got Parkinson’s, and looks nothing like it does now. So I’m screwed. Just 1 person. Nothing’s perfect.

    • #331550
      Ohio Barbarian
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      After all the election fraud that obviously happened on Super Tuesday, with ballots being counted by scanners just like mail-in ballots are counted, the opportunity for fraud is there. We know that it is incredibly easy to flip a percentage of votes in any race with just a line or two of code. That is what must be eliminated, not voting by mail.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #331674
      xyzse
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      I voted with a mail-in ballot in Maryland.

      Fortunately, there are places where you can drop off your ballot without going through the post office.  They had large bins in the voting precincts, and I was able to drop mine off no problem.

      However, @sadoldgirl is right, I have no reason to believe that the counting system is any good.  There are huge discrepancies between exit polling and actual results that it just screams invalid.

    • #332177
      sonofspy777
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      My signature varies EVERY time… an RA mangled hand will do that to you.

      Bernie figured he could do more good ALIVE,
      than dead in a small plane "accident".
      I think he's right.

      Don't you?

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