Majority in U.S. Still Believe JFK Killed in a Conspiracy – Mafia, federal government top list whodunnit

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    • #498316
      Average Gazoo
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      https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/dolzvblqn0wqheivhj1k7q.png

      The poll broke out “government” vs “CIA” to keep those two from being the number one suspect. If you roll up all of the government related suspects you get at least 26% vs 13% for “mafia.” And in classic “Buttigieg won Iowa” math they place the Mafia’s 13% above the “government” 13%.

      Gallup in its November poll asked those who believe the Kennedy assassination was part of a conspiracy an open-ended question about who, besides Oswald, they thought was involved. Americans cite the Mafia (13%) and the federal government (13%) most often, followed by the CIA (7%), Fidel Castro or Cuba (5%), and unnamed “special interests who disagreed with his policies” (5%).

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/165893/majority-believe-jfk-killed-conspiracy.aspx

      Interesting to me is that suspicion grew over time, stayed there and is now waning. Certainly the assassinations of MLK and RFK eroded the idea that JFK’s murder was a random act. The Pentagon Papers, Nixon’s lies and finally the release of the Zapruder film with Kennedy’s head being hit from the front forced pretty much any thinking person in the USA to know they were being lied to.

      The question now is why is the truth eroding? Is it the death of the generation who had direct interest and an increase in those born well after the events. Does the decline of critical thinking about JFK’s murder portend a larger trend?

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      jbnw
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    • #498320
      MizzGrizz
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      The younger people don’t understand why it mattered.What JFK represented,what he stood for.And nobody has bothered to tell them.

      • #498370
        Haikugal
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        Truth…they want the ‘Boomers’ gone ASAP. We are inconvenient for their contrived ‘history’….and we talk, and resist and stay active. We aren’t dying fast enough for them. It seems to me that they are ramping up the hardship, squeeze…….fuckers.

        • #498382
          MizzGrizz
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          @haikugal,you are one of the folks I like to see as well.

          A lot of people seem to think that JFK was all about Boomer nostalgia.While there is some of that,it’s also worth noting that,unlike the president today,JFK did NOT want nuclear war,and did the back channel negotiations with Khrushchev to keep it from happening.That cost Nikita his job and Kennedy his life.

    • #498326
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      It no longer matters. It’s been 40 years. Personally, I’m glad JFK was taken out. If he hadn’t been assassinated, he would have been re-elected.

      And J. Edgar Hoover had a recording of him fucking an East German spy. I do not believe that JFK, the Cold Warrior, who had sent hundreds more American “advisors” to Vietnam, would have ended that war. I do not believe that JFK would have been able to get the Civil Rights Acts and Medicare through Congress. I think he was a spoiled rich boy whose peccadilloes made him easily blackmailed by the power elite of the time. I think we were better off with LBJ being elected in 1964.

      I think we are better off because JFK died when he did. It’s been 40 years. Way past time for some historical revisionism.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #498372
        Haikugal
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        An interesting take…however Bobby was the real deal. In combination they were a formidable team…something not seen before I think. I could be wrong but I think there would have been a different outcome with Bobby.

      • #498373
        djean111
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        JFK died when people still believed in the goodness of presidents and the American government.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #498381
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          I think JFK represented this dream time of hope and promise to most Americans for many years after his death. The thing is, the more I learned about the Kennedys, the less I wanted them running our government. Of course, compared to what we’ve got now, they look like minor deities.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #498375
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        I think his murder kept him from living long enough for people to see who he really was, so I think we agree on that part.

        The nostalgia I hear about JFK and Dallas is all about Boomers remembering “being in 2nd grade” when it happened, how “beautiful and brave” Jackie was and all the imaginary things “JFK would have done” if he had lived longer.

        The bigger part of the legacy to me is a kind of turning point where people were not allowed to have heroes any more. It feels like the permanent people in government (Dulles, Bush, etc) wanted to minimize the potential power of any future president by making sure that only people with open flaws and divisive personas got any chance at the Whitehouse. Kamala Harris fits the bill just fine because there is no chance that a majority of Americans will find her likeable and trustworthy.

        The term “conspiracy theorist” became a common way to dismiss obvious conspiracies and to gaslight those who are paying attention too closely. Now we jail whistleblowers while “Russiagate” and the Epstein blackmail operation seldom get called “conspiracies”. The permanent government learned and deployed new ways to shape popular perception and they need them — we are in a much more chaotic information environment. They assassinate character instead of bodies.

        The Biden laptop is like 100 Zapruder films and they were able to sideline it for the 2020 and 2022 elections. 60 years after JFK they are still saying “the Russians” are behind every uncomfortable truth about our government and out country. The Cold War has heated up again. We have brinksmanship worthy of a new ‘Missiles of October’. The assassination of JFK changed little but it made the true dynamics and limits of our “democracy” much more obvious.

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        as if the deaths of Malcolm, Martin, major riots, the Black Panthers and maybe even Bobby wouldnt force action.

        you may be willing to be simplistic and dissociate this coup from the reality of the times,

        I cant slide down that greasy trashpile.

        This is almost worse than the latest CIA talking point about JFK’s responsibility for Vietnam.

        Any more more bullet points?

        what garbage.

        • #498506
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          Your comment shows how ignorant you are. You probably also think that the United States was founded on racism, which means you believe whatever you think it’s cool to believe and everyone else should be taunted.

          There’s a whole industry based on JFK’s death. Hundreds of millions have been made. I think RFK was a lying sack of shit and I don’t believe what he said in 1967 what happened in 1963. Sons of a frigging bootlegger and a Nazi sympathizer, both of them. Bugger off yourself.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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      Dunatus
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      soryang
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      …to withdraw US forces from Vietnam. Recently, I lost my copy of his excellent history, JFK and Vietnam: Deception, Intrigue, and the Struggle for Power. Two reviews at Amazon, (copyrighted) summarize his view. The second says: “…Newman’s research culminates in two crucial National Security Action Memos. In one, authored several weeks before Kennedy’s death, the President formally endorsed withdrawal from Vietnam of a thousand advisors by the end of 1963 (to be followed by complete withdrawal by the end of 1965). In the second, written six days after the assassination, LBJ reversed the withdrawal policy and planned in some detail the escalation to follow. Crucial to any reevaluation of JFK as President and statesman, this electrifying report portrays a wily, stubborn, conflicted leader who grasped realities that eluded virtually everyone else in the US establishment.” (Kirkus Reviews)

      James Douglas book JFK and the Unspeakable, Why he died and why it matters, supports the Newman “revisionist” account as well.

      (on edit couldn’t get the link to work)

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      kelly
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      kelly
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      Judging by the continuing assassination of JFK over yonder where Real Democrats discuss new and undocumented ahistorical facts, by this time next year JFK will have been shown, or at least known, to be at fault for Vietnam, AD,

      and in fact, engineered his whole death.

      an elaborate suicide by the worst president ever.

      Amazing turn of events ahead.

      we will never see those files.

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