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    Margaret Atwood warns 'French Revolution' is inevitable if US political system d

    Margaret Atwood warns ‘French Revolution’ is inevitable if US political system does not change

    Margaret Atwood has warned that a “French Revolution” is inevitable if the American political system does not change.

    The famed author of dystopian novel The Handmaid’s Tale said several factors have bred inequality in the United States and warned that it could lead to a seismic event similar to that seen in 18th century France, where the ruling class was overthrown.

    “There are other factors in this country that make for quite a lot of inequality, so let’s talk about the healthcare system, let’s talk about incarceration policies and let’s talk about the big split between very, very rich people and everybody else,” she said, speaking at Equality Now’s Make Equality Reality Gala in Los Angeles on Monday.

    “So the dangers in this country have to do with not just gender inequality but also class and race and wealth. So you cannot go on indefinitely having lawmakers write and enact laws that make them richer.

    “You just can’t go on with this forever, you’re going to get the French Revolution if you go on with that too long.”

    More at above link.

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  • incognito (2682 posts)

    1. Yep

    sooner or later the pitchforks are going to come out. It’s not going to be pretty. It will be a bloodbath since every police department is militarized and they’ve allowed their KKK/NAZIS to be armed to the hilt….for this very reason.


  • Two way street (4379 posts)

    2. It has already started. Number 6 – armed insurection to destroy voting machines.

    1. Vote and election cheating of Bernie Sanders and other winners.
    2. Voting Machine corruption and corrupt election officials all over with none jailed even with known crimes.
    3. State ballot reform for the refusal of rank choice voting, that will help do away with the two party system.
    4. New Democratic Governors losing their powers by Republicans in late and lame duck Legislative sessions means Democratic Governs will have time to campaign against State Republican Legislative member immediately upon coming to office.
    5. State Constitutional Amendments to have a recall election for all lawmakers who lie about their campaign promises, to step away from their responsibilities to pay for unconstitutional wars and break up Monopolies.
    • Two way street (4379 posts)

      3. Delete

  • GZeusH (4410 posts)

    4. I'm not so sure

    Staving people revolt.  People who are well-fed tend to be fat, dumb, and happy.  Or at least not so unhappy that they set the guillotines up.

    Our system has made sure that people have plenty of fattening, unhealthy food to eat, so why are they getting off their couches to storm the castle with pitchforks?  Because Trump used tear gas at the border?  Nope.  Because they have to declare bankruptcy over someone’s medical bills?  Nope.  Because someone knows someone who knew someone whose cousin got killed in Afghanistan?  I don’t think so.

    I think our future is to keep on keeping on until some climate change spawned natural disaster turns our normal life into a hellscape.  Just ask the people of Puerto Rico or Paradise, CA if what happened to them is inevitable for the rest of us.

    в NewYorkTimese нет известии, и в WaPo нет правды.
    • dreamnightwind (1787 posts)

      6. Pretty much agree

      There are climate-driven food shortages in our future, so that might change the equation, but it is likely to be too little, too late. The radical change needs to happen asap, not after the effects are already felt by all, when it might be too late. Not many signs that the American people are up to the challenge.

    • Coldmountaintrail (9789 posts)

      7. i know so many people, including myself, who are one or two steps away

      from homelessness, some who are homeless, and some who are working lots of hours for shit pay.  I wouldn’t be too sure that people are just laying on their couches fattening up.

    • MistaP (11126 posts)

      11. yeah, "revolution" happens when conditions and expectations rise

      but: I put it in quotes not because I doubt the reality or the long-term effect of revolution, but because “a” revolution is so many processes, sub-revolutions, and paths not taken that it’s too easy for even French or Russians to boil it down to a few cinematic scenes (“the Bastille,” “the guillotine,” “the Winter Palace”)

      real important is Gramsci’s distinction between “war of position” and “war of maneuver”: maneuver is about the conventional set-piece battles from Austerlitz to the Bulge; position is about the preparation and support one has to do long long before the first artillery piece emerges from the foundry

      “France needs revolution!” okay, it’s had three and there’s so many governments they’ve had to number their Republics to keep ’em straight: in fact the current regimes are all descendants of 1789–the lawyers, merchants, and bankers

      the Clinton campaign created Trump with the Pied Piper strategy (Third Way = Bell Curve)
  • leveymg (5214 posts)

    5. There are structural reasons that recur in all modern social revolutions

    Jack Goldstone along with Theda Skocpol are probably the two most studied sociological theorists of revolution.   These authors see a repeating pattern of structural and economic pressures (population and prices) that force a crisis of state leading to the eventual overthrow of the old regime.  The individual corruption of regimes, income inequality, and ideological currents are just part of the conditions that force state collapse giving rise to social revolutions.

    Goldstone illustrates his theory in a critique he wrote in The New York Review of Books of another author’s work on the English “Glorious Revolution” of 1688.   He writes: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1993/04/22/the-stress-revolution/

    I find that Britain’s crisis was neither a “heroic” episode in which elites created a more liberal state, nor a “black farce” in which Charles I incompetently stumbled into a bloody but quite avoidable crisis. It was instead a great tragedy in which powerful social forces led actors to an unwonted catastrophe. Population growth pressing on limited resources produced price inflation that undercut state finances and could not be stopped merely by currency manipulation or economic legislation. Shifts in the age structure led larger numbers of young men to contest for posts in the administration, creating unavoidable conflicts over patronage and position. Massive urban expansion undermined urban administration and weakened the grip of the Established Church. The social turmoil foisted on middle classes and elites by sweeping demographic changes led many to seek answers in a more disciplined “Puritan” faith. In this “tragic” view, the English Revolution did not stem from a heroic struggle for new constitutional rights or capitalist freedoms; nor did it result chiefly from royal error. Instead, the crisis developed because the structures of authority, patronage, social status, and social control could not cope with the demographic and economic pressures that were undermining fiscal, social, and economic order.

    • id-entity (3064 posts)

      10. Revolt of 1381

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  • MrMickeysMom (2524 posts)

    8. The question that follows for many is… WHEN?

    It’s never soon enough. My SO keeps warning how people will be dying in the streets before much longer. That has already begun.

    Can you feel more and more how the media elite 1% are not coming to the aid of Assange? How nobody wants to have a lead story with of importance to the 99%? How democracy is already deader than week old road kill?

    I just wrote a response to getting a paltry 2.7 % increase for an already inadequate hourly rate after my employee review. I asked how a non-profit health care system can have millionaires at the very top while taking government money when the hardest working employees can’t make a living wage? Me thinks I’ll never get an answer on that until these people are brought to their knees over what they’ve done in the name of health care.

    Hell no...I'm not giving up...     cat-gif-238.gif giphy.gif
    • snot (1517 posts)

      9. It's a feeding frenzy, and we're dinner.

      https://www.battleforthenet.com/                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         1% “To Do” list:

      1.  Control banking; 2.  Control communications (including “news” media); 3.  Control the government; 4.  Control education ; ....