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  • NVBirdlady (3774 posts)
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    Mark your Calendars! I agree with Donald J. Trump!

    During his campaign, he stated that he wanted to “Drain the Swamp.” However, the composition of his upcoming cabinet indicates otherwise. The Trump Administration is going to be an unprecedented disaster. The damage coming may well be irreversible for this country. His cabinet will do things that will be catastrophic, including further deregulation and, of course, tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. Let’s be clear, it was just rhetoric on Trump’s part. There will be a realization among Trump supporters in the future that they have been deceived. We already know this outright now. Once this sets in with Trump supporters, who knows what the outcome will be?

    So far, President-elect Donald  Trump’s purposed Cabinet consists of millionaires and billionaires:

    Carl Icahn                          16.7 Billion                     Advisory on Regulatory Ovehaul

    Vincent Viola                      1.8 Billion                     Secretary of the Army

    Jeff Sessions                        15 Million                     Attorney General

    Steven Bannon                    10 Million                    Chief Strategist

    Mike Pompeo                267 Thousand                   CIA Director

    Rex Tillerson                        50 Million                   Secretary of State

    Wilbur Ross                          2.5 Billion                   Commerce

    Betsy DeVos                           5.1 Billion                  Education

    Tom Price                            13.6 Million                  Health and Human Services

    Ben Carson                             10 Million                  Housing and Urban Development

    Andrew Puzder                                                           Labor

    Elaine Chao                         8.95 Million                  Transportation

    Steven Mnuchin                    40 Million                   Treasury

    Linda McMahon                  500 Million                  Small Business Administration

    Jay Clayton                                                                   SEC Chief (Wall Street Lawyer)

    Vice President-elect Mike Pence will be the de facto President under the Trump Administration. He will likely be directing all legislation out of the White House, and it will be devastating for minorities, the elderly, children, women to name a few.

    In my opinion, the Democratic Party will not do a damn thing to stop the destruction between the Trump Administration and the Republican House of Representatives and the Senate. They will provide no meaningful resistance. Consequently, the Democratic Party has no short-term or long-term vision for the future. They are only concerned about their pocketbook and the Blue Team. What that really means is that it is now up to us. We must support one another and work together. I feel this message seems like it is needed now more than ever.

    The neo-liberals and the neo-conservatives and their ideas need to be rejected. The people of this nation need to reject the attitude that “their representative is wonderful and we like them, so let’s keep them in office.” Do you remember in past elections the term “Throw the Bums Out!” That is what we need to do! We need to throw all of them out! This is a lesson of the 2016 election. NONE OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY WORKING FOR US! Wake Up! Only exception: Senator Bernard Sanders.

    We need to have big ideas outside the box with our FDR, JFK and RFK philosophies. What do the American people want? One thing is certain that they do not want Donald J. Trump or Hillary Rodham Clinton. In my opinion, the Democratic Party is going to pay for her nomination for a long time to come. I am an advocate for a third party at this point.

    The two major parties need to talk about fundamental values, not the slight degree of policy differences. We need more than two major political parties that are for the same things. The right and left wings of the same bird, and I am not talking about my Jewels or Casey.

    It is obvious to me that the American people want someone to tell the truth, as in Senator Bernie Sanders. We need to use Bernie Bird as our model for the future. I will vote and work for a Berniecrat, and you should too. Bernie became popular for obvious reasons. We need to carry on HIS legacy. We need something to hope for in the future, and we have to hope he will run again in 2020.

    Also, please consider the net worth of leaders of the Democratic and Republican parties:

    Mitch McConnell                                10 Million

    Paul Ryan                                              .8 Million

    John McCain                                       10.5 Million

    Nancy Pelosi                                        100 Million

    Chuck Schumer                              702 Thousand (This one I find questionable)

    Barak Obama                                      12.2 Million

    Michelle Obama                                  11.2 Million

    Hillary R. Clinton                                  45 Million

    William J. Clinton                                 80 Million

    Considering the fortunes of our elected representatives, leaders, potential cabinet, does anyone really believe that there will be ANY legislation established to help the American people? If so, it is time to take your head out of the sand.  It is time to find your internal fortitude and to fight. We need to come together, stop bickering, and fight. Yes, fight! We need a wide range of ideas for going forward. We need to find the passion in our souls, and put it into action. Start NOW, not tomorrow.

    My passions are the environment, and exotic animal issues. The environment because I grew up at a federal Superfund site, Butte, Montana, home of the Berkley Pit. A large toxic cesspool. I was an environmental activist at a young age.

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/thousands-of-snow-geese-die-after-landing-in-a-toxic-mine-pit-in-montana/

    Also, my Quaker Parrot, or Monk Parakeet, is illegal in several states in the United States, hence I belong to a local bird club and I am on it’s board, and we use our voices to be heard at our state Legislature, which will resume in February 2017. Many states will continue to restrict the ownership of exotic pets. For example, Maine just made the ownership of Quaker Parakeets illegal. I also belong to a national group called the Quaker Parakeet Society, which advises of any changes to legislation, as well as upcoming legislation. This is personal to me. Jewels is more than an exotic bird to me. He is a family member. Find your personal issue and FIGHT!! We are going to need all hands on deck for the upcoming fight!

    https://jackpineradicals.com/groups/jackpine-pets/forum/topic/jewels-sleeping-and-relaxing-in-my-hand/

    I know many of you are interested in saving Social Security and Medicare. Get Involved. Many of you are interested in Economic Inequality and Poverty. Get Involved! I make donations regularly to the local food bank, but I could also get involved in with the program Meals on Wheels or volunteer at the food bank. Find a way to assist the homeless. Find a new purpose.

    At JPR, we need to move into to resistance mode. We will need to fight on all fronts, including but not limited to against Trump, Pence, Republicans and Democrats. Let’s get organized and involved in issues of interest to us, but you specifically. Let’s work at the local and state levels to make a difference.

    Thank you for listening. I love you all. NOW GET TO WORK!!! :hug: :hug:

    Oh, and don’t forget to laugh along way. Humor is a requirement from this day forward.

    Edit: spelling errors

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    • hippiechick (1351 posts)
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      1. I missed where you agree with him.

      :shrug:

      • daleanime (2115 posts)
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        3. I think it was where he "said"……

        “Drain the swamp”, the problem being he said it, he never meant to do it.

        When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
        • B Calm (810 posts)
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          5. Thanks!

          “When I was a kid growing up, I think my instincts always were for the underdog.” – Bernie Sanders    
        • Fuddnik (653 posts)
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          11. Too busy stocking it with alligators, to drain it.

          If it ain't broke, break it!
          • daleanime (2115 posts)
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            14. Got that right.

            When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
        • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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          15. Wel-l who would you hire to fix- let's say the banking issue?

          Someone that knows the business and what is wrong with it or someone who doesn’t have the first clue or experience in banking? Who would you hire to deal with intelligence agencies? A retired general with a strong record and has access to inside info or some civilian who isn’t in on the machinations of orgs such as the CIA?

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          • daleanime (2115 posts)
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            17. So you would pay the people breaking the system…..

            to break it some more?   There are people who have years studying those problems and working to find ways to fix them, maybe we could look into putting some of them to work on it for a change?

            When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
            • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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              18. I really think that there are some honest people and the few bad

              spoil the entire barrel. And you think it should be a bunch college students getting cabinet level positions? Hopefully those Trump puts in charge possess the leadership skills to tap those who have spent years studying and recommending ways to resolve the issues and actually do something other than blow smoke up our asses and to fix problems.

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              • daleanime (2115 posts)
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                43. No, I was thinking for like college professors……

                People with enough knowledge in those fields to deal with them, the “leadership skills” I see from the Drumfp cabinet seem to consist of blind loyalty to the almighty dollar.

                When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
                • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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                  44. I think the retired general he has tapped as SOS might be a good thing

                  he knows the military, he knows who the troublemakers are in the CIA that work with the establishment to obtain the neoliberal agenda.

                  There are rumors swirling that Trump is to be assassinated if he doesn’t fall in line. I understand that he is retaining his own security detail and is putting the SS in the background. Until recently he has avoided briefing from the CIA.

                  If tptb are working this hard currently to keep Trump from taking office as we have seen demonstrated via MSM and internet media, imagine what they’ll do once he does take office if he doesn’t toe the line?

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                  • daleanime (2115 posts)
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                    46. The only 'war' Tillerson has been involved with…..

                    is the war on the environment,  and unfortunately his side is winning.

                    When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
                    • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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                      52. As SOS will he have influence on environmental policy?

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                      • daleanime (2115 posts)
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                        54. Was trying to figure out who the "retired general"…..

                        you were referring to was, and yes, if he’s successful in pushing companies like his, he will have a negative influence on environmental policy.

                        When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
          • cyberpj (2367 posts)
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            19. I'm still in limbo and thinking along the same lines as you.

            Wouldn’t it be nice if Trump was hiring those who not only knew the most about each area but were willing to work with him to clean it up?

            That’s exactly what this country has done for years with their most invasive hackers.

            I know I could still be dreaming that Trump’s Democratic roots are showing but at least I’m willing to wait until the man is in office for his first 100 days before making a judgement on his tactics.

            QUESTION EVERYTHING 
          • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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            29. Those people want to take over "the problem" and make it worse, not

            fix it.  They’re the locusts at the end of the American century.

            I can speak to one of them, Betsy DeVos:

            DeVos is a prominent member of the Republican Party known for her advocacy of school choice, voucher programs, and ties to the Reformed Christian community.[2][3][4] She was Republican National Committeewoman for Michigan from 1992 to 1997 and served as chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party from 1996 to 2000, with reelection to the post in 2003. DeVos was one of the architects of the Detroit charter school system and she is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education. She has served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice and heads the All Children Matter PAC. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos and is the daughter-in-law of billionaire Richard DeVos, the co-founder of Amway.[5][6] Her brother, Erik Prince, a former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, is the founder of Academi, formerly Blackwater USA.[7][8] DeVos is the daughter of Edgar Prince, founder of the Prince Corporation.[9][10]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_DeVos

             

            She doesn’t want to “fix” education; she wants to privatize it.  She’s a disaster, as is the entire Prince/DeVos family of rapists.

            • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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              32. I won't argue that with you. Many such as DeVos may be rotten

              But I don’t think everyone Trump is vetting is rotten.

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          • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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            35. You need people who can read and understand the law (not necessarily

            lawyers) to supervise people who understand the ins and outs of the specific field.

            You need someone from outside the field to lead people in the field to correct problems.

            Trump has gone about the “draining of the swamp” in an ineffective way.  He is putting the foxes in charge of the hen-house.  That is not good management.  It’s a simplistic answer to a complex problem.

            Where could he have found capable leaders who are free from enormous personal conflicts of interest?

            How about law professors, people who have studied say, securities law or toxic torts or corporate law or civil rights law who are dedicated to justice and who know the history and can tell one species of alligator from another?

            Elizabeth Warren is a good example of a lawyer from outside the field, not beholden to anyone in the field who understands the way things work in the field but who is objective and disinterested enough to, with the help of others, recommend ways to regulate in the field.

            Then there are people who work for non-profits, people who specialize in making the world better without focusing on the return in it for them?

            College professors and administrators?  Educators of other kinds?  Union leaders?

            There should be a mix of people from different walks of life with just a couple of CEOs in for the mix.

            The Trump cabinet is full of people who see life from the point of view of people with a lot of money.  That’s just bad for America.  It doesn’t and can’t represent the vast majority of us who are not obsessed with money and don’t have a lot of it.

            Trump’s cabinet demonstrates what is wrong with Trump.  He has only a narrow range of experience in the world and an even narrower understanding of life.  He is overly focused on money, overly focused on what rich people think “success” is.

            What a terrible choice for president.  And Hillary was not much, if any better.

            America deserves a better president and a better cabinet, one that represents and understands the interests of all Americans and not just the 1%.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
            • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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              42. Well they cheated Bernie.

              You wrote:

              America deserves a better president and a better cabinet, one that represents and understands the interests of all Americans and not just the 1%.

              The Democrats and the DNC screwed Sanders out of the Presidency. We told them this would happen, they told us to STFU and go away. We did. So now we’re stuck with what we’ve got, what you gonna do? Me? I’m hoping for the best and choosing to wait and see.

              It didn’t have to be this way. The establishment caused this and they now need to STFU and take their medicine.

               

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        • bvar22 (336 posts)
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          33. Obama said much the same things, and HE never meant to actually do any of them.

          The curtain was pulled back when Obama announced his cabinet choices:

          The DLC New Team

          (Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

           

          History repeats itself.

          Can you begin to imagine the cabinet Hillary would have put together if HER had been given the sacred crown? It would have had so many Wall Street Bankers that Trump’s cabinet would have looked like beggars.

           

        • whatchamacallit (762 posts)
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          58. Unfortunately, foaming assholes from another site

          will cite the title as more proof of “JPR’s Trump love” without reading the post.

          The ring is out of my nose.
          • daleanime (2115 posts)
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            60. Doesn't matter, folks like that don't care for the truth….

            just the appearance of it.

            When the going gets tough, the tough take care of each other
    • NJCher (1870 posts)
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      2. +1000 times

      Last night I did research on the candidates for governor. I found my guy. If he gets in, it will not be business as usual. When I went to his blog and saw he was a Bernie guy, that cinched it. I wrote him a note at his site to volunteer. I am excited that we have someone running like this individual!

       

      a most excellent post, nv bird lady. it should be on The Daily Radical.

       

      cher

      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        36. Yes. It should be on the Daily Radical for sure.

        No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
    • Haikugal (5329 posts)
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      4. Great post NVBirdlady, thanks so much!

      Hey @marym625 have you seen this bright light?! I second the recommendation!

      Give Jewels a piece of Apple for me will ya?

        Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
      • Marym625 (21770 posts)
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        8. It's up!

        Thank you for calling me here

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Silver Witch (4839 posts)
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      6. What are the top Dem members worth.

      I note you list all the  republican foilables.  I am hoping for something less than a disaster. And I am hoping a new party raises from the ashes.

      Good luck with the plan you put forth. 

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        37. Robert Reich — $ 4 million

        Keith Ellison has what some consider a negative wealth total.

        So does Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

        So does Stabenow.

        17 Democratic members of Congress are listed as having a negative wealth total.  That may mean that they owe a lot on their houses.  In addition, the list is a bit old although dated 2016 because the article mentions John Kerry as a member of Congress.

        https://dqydj.com/what-is-the-net-worth-of-members-of-congress/

        Among the richest of the Democrats in Congress were Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi.  Dianne Feinstein is no longer serving in Congress.

        http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-25-richest-members-of-congress/ss-BBmDr23#image=25

         

        No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • Silver Witch (4839 posts)
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          39. Negative net worth is a wealthy persons way of not paying taxes

          And I am sure there are Republicans with a negative value too. The rich own congress and everyone who serves leaves with a fabulous pension and medical coverage for life. I have no pity for any of them.

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
          • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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            41. Negative net worth probably means you still owe on a mortgage.

            Members of Congress travel a lot.  That costs money.  If they have a kid in college, they may be paying a lot for tuition and other expenses.

            It is quite possible to have a negative net worth because you subtract all debt from all wealth.  It doesn’t mean you are avoiding taxes.  A lot of young people have a negative net worth.  Assets minus debts.

            It’s very possible that those members of Congress really have a negative net worth.

            Trump doesn’t.  At least he claims he doesn’t, and he lives as though he has a positive net worth.

            The taxes you pay don’t depend on your wealth so much as on your income.  There is a difference between income and wealth.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
            • Silver Witch (4839 posts)
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              47. Why thank you for proving my point!

              Middle class Americans don’t even think in these terms and neither do the poor. We think about making it through the month and look to the horizon of the next pay check and hope there will be another after that.

              Silly chatter about net worth and congress peoples value are a waste of time.  The truth is they are power brokers and are not about to give up their power.

              My frustration with this talk of how republicans are worse or Dems are better is meaningless. Only those who don’t know hunger or proverty babble about such things.

               

              We need a complete revision of the governance in this country.  A focus on the people and away from concern about who is wealthy and why!!  Or who is wealthier as you seems to care so much about. I don’t give a rats ass if Trump is wealthy or not. I do care if all the homeless have food and shelter.

              #Let'sTalkRevolution
              • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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                50. You are so right.

                That’s what I mean when I say someone doesn’t know what peanut butter was invented for.  It’s for feeding a big family of hungry children with very, very little money.   And if a politician like Trump doesn’t know what that means for the children and the parents, then he probably does not have empathy for most of America, doesn’t know how they live.

                GDP is in my view another irrelevant measure unless it somehow includes a measure of the misery index that most people experience.

                No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
                • Silver Witch (4839 posts)
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                  51. JD we totally agree on this.

                  Any elected official who does not go to the store and know the price of milk, bread and PB should be placed on food stamps for six months and made to live as the poorest Americans.

                  I would venture to say few of them understand, although at one time they might have.  Hunger seems to be the thing they truly don’t understand.

                  Have a very pleasant Sunday. This was very nice. Thank you!!

                  #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • Marym625 (21770 posts)
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      7. Brava!!

      Going on The Daily Radical!

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • NVBirdlady (3774 posts)
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        9. Thank you Mary!

        President Trump. Thanks DNC, HRC, DWS. #StillSanders. #NoDAPL  #NoKXL Giant Meteor 2020
        • Marym625 (21770 posts)
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          10. Thank you!!

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • senz (5259 posts)
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      12. Trump shares some of Bernie's goals as well as unthinking capitalist attitudes

      Like Bernie, he opposed NAFTA and the Iraq War and still opposes TPP and our middle eastern hostilities.

      We will strongly oppose anything harmful that he tries to do.  But since he’s got both good and bad ideas, it would be dumb to stop him from accomplishing something good (if he does it via good means) such as bringing back manufacturing, imposing import tariffs on some goods (an idea that Bernie favored), getting out of our middle eastern wars, seeking peaceful solutions to international problems, etc.

      I hope we can be more issue oriented and pay close attention to what he actually does.

      • cyberpj (2367 posts)
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        20. Oh dear God yes -can we please drop the divisive labels They keep pasting on us?

        Well said senz:   “I hope we can be more issue oriented and pay close attention to what he actually does.”

        I never believed ANY ONE PARTY fit my own list of priorities so I never appreciated being lumped into the traditional Us v. Them never-ending wars (which have been a farce for decades now).

        A discussion of ISSUES is ever so much more productive than hiding behind the ILLUSION of Party v. Party fights and victories.

        This is from my post #19 -above:

        Wouldn’t it be nice if Trump was hiring those who not only knew the most about each area but were willing to work with him to clean it up?

        That’s exactly what this country has done for many years with their most invasive hackers.

        I know I could still be dreaming that Trump’s Democratic roots are showing but at least I’m willing to wait until the man is in office for his first 100 days before making a judgement on his tactics.

         

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    • Enthusiast (8370 posts)
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      13. Thank you, NVBirdlady. Well done.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • jwirr (3392 posts)
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      16. Most of those old dudes look too old to accomplish any work. And I am 75 so

      I kind of know. They will work a couple of hours and then take a long nap.

    • Tierra y Libertad (1471 posts)
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      23. I think "The Resistance" would be a helluva good name for a new LW party. K&R

       

      But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

       
    • Pacco Fransisco (3648 posts)
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      48. Drain the swamp and fill it back up with fracking waste.

      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats