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    Markos at CAP event: “that grassroots Bernie thing” is detriment to party.

    This is the group called the Center for American Progress.  It seems to be a big factor in  controlling Democratic policies.  It was started by John Podesta, and it is led now by Neera Tanden.

    They held their Ideas Conference yesterday at the Four Seasons.  The cost was $1000 a head.  No one who ran for president in 2016 was invited.

    Markos of Daily Kos was there of course, and he had a chance to have his say.  The Nation covered his remarks briefly.

    Why Bernie Sanders Wasn’t Invited to CAP’s Ideas Conference

    But there was an awkward absence: Senator Bernie Sanders. He was not invited to the “Ideas Conference,” and his exclusion makes clear that, while Democrats are converging around a general set of ideological principles, the party still faces some serious coalition-building problems.

    CAP president Neera Tanden explained to The Washington Post that “We were trying to emphasize a new generation,” and a CAP spokesperson told The Nation that nobody who ran for president before was invited.

    That’s true as far as it goes, but with any scrutiny it feels more like a post facto justification for not including Sanders. There’s a big difference between Hillary Clinton—now a private citizen with no future electoral plans—and Sanders, a sitting senator who polls as the most popular politician in the country and who has pointedly not ruled out a 2020 presidential campaign. The press materials for the conference proclaimed it would “bring together national leaders of the progressive cause,” and there’s no real way Sanders doesn’t fit that description, or rationally should have been excluded simply because he ran for president last year. (The presence of Susan Rice and Tom Daschle onstage also puts considerable strain on the idea that only new voices were being elevated.)

    Attendance was restricted in other ways, too. There was no website for the event, which was held at the swanky Four Seasons hotel, nor a way for anyone to attend unless CAP sent a personal invite. (Though one could pay $1,000 to attend the “Progressive Party” after the conference.) The audience was primarily donors to the think tank, as well as CAP’s professional allies across DC and a whole bunch of media.

    This left the event with a distinctly elite feel, despite the genuinely populist economic agenda that was being promoted. Daily Kos founder and self-appointed “granddaddy of the resistance” Markos Moulitsas drove the point home when he huffed during a panel about “that grassroots Bernie thing” and how it was a detriment to the party.

    This paragraph sums it up well:

    And that’s the real split in the party right now: between the grassroots and the establishment represented at the Four Seasons on Tuesday. It’s less about Bernie versus the Clintonistas, but rather that the wide array of socialist activists, community organizers and radical labor groups that existed for quite a while in Democratic Party politics and lined up behind Sanders when he ran for president are now feeling energized and emboldened.

    In fact Simon Rosenberg of the New Dems Network predicted the same back in 2004.

    What happens to the losing team

    If there’s a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party, predicts Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democrat Network, a moderate advocacy group, it won’t be the usual skirmish between the liberals and moderates of the professional political class in Washington but one between the Washington insiders on one side and the rank-and-file activists spread out across the country on the other.

    I found this quote on the DLC website in 2003.  The author thought the internet would be a bad thing for the organized Democratic party, and it turns out that he might just be right in the long run.

    Someone named Randolph Court wrote this for the DLC website in 2003.  Link is dead, but I saved the quote. The article was called “Nothing but Net”.  It shows they were quite aware of how the internet would bring change they did not want.

    The Internet may be giving angry, protest-oriented activists the rope they need to hang the party. The vaunted new medium for grassroots political organizing may in fact be contributing to the Iowafication of the nominating process, disproportionately magnifying the voices of the activist groups with the loudest, most combative, and populist voices.

    The Nation article link above quotes a party activist who attended the Ideas Conference.  Just about sums it up.

    “They charge $1,000 per ticket to attend their ‘Progressive Party’…and eat canapes while wondering why they are out of touch with the rest of the country.”

     

     

     

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    • djean111 (3491 posts)
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      1. As far as I am concerned, the "party" is expiring.

      Just flopping around, eating canapes and whinging.

      You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
      • weags (300 posts)
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        44. Yep, they are wandering out in the wilderness…

        Wondering what’s wrong when the answer is right in front of their face.

        actually, I think they know, they just don’t want to admit the truth because they like their corporate funded gravy train.

        Formerly tex-wyo-dem at you know where
    • Octafish (3036 posts)
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      2. Markos is the detriment.

      What kind of a democrat fails to support democracy and those who actually, you know, practice it?

      “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
      • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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        4. I'll be keeping an eye out

        to see if my account is disabled.  I expect it will be.  Started posting there in 2004.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • joentokyo (303 posts)
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        22. The little corporal that's what kind.

        “America has the best politicians money can buy.”~Will Rogers  
        • FanBoy (7740 posts)
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          40. god doesn't he look like a rank suck-up

      • AmandaMatthews (52 posts)
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        72. One who's bank balance, living expenses,

        And the ability to afford payments on his much bragged about Tesla depends on the ‘Left’ supporting the candidates chosen for us by TPTB. You know, the ones funneling money to his fake ass.

        Requium for a Lightweight

        The Markos Moulitsas of 2016 uneasily lingers on from those heady Netroots days, like some errant looping transmission from a long-lost spaceship — a hologram still beaming from some distant spot in the galaxy, screeching about a Borg attack that claimed his life many lightyears ago.

        Frankly, it seems in poor taste to bring up Moulitsas’s name in any volume above a whisper, in the somber way the Irish might refer to a relation who never wrote after leaving for America. When, as with Moulitsas, one’s working assumptions and grand strategy have been pulverized again and again and again and again and again — an entire life’s work rendered as laughable as a small hat on a big dog — well, it seems unnecessary to stamp the dirt down harder.

        And yet. Two months out from the shock demolition of the Democratic Party, the most faithful acolytes are not getting it. Someone like Moulitsas, an irrelevancy himself, can only be a real, pressing threat when marching in lockstep with the rest of a vast zombie horde — a sea of dead flesh which somehow is still upright, clogging the highways, trapping those still alive and trying to break out, in a waking nightmare without end. It is the only way of explaining a Democratic Party, from Markos Moulitsas to Cory Booker to Rahm Emanuel, cheering the demise of decent health care as a going concern for many Americans.

         

        https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/01/markos-moulitsas-kos-democrats-clinton-trump/

         

         

    • iggy (456 posts)
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      3. The Internet doesn't cost $1000 to attend either

      That lets us poor and disabled people to have a say. I hope the Bankster Hag is listening.

      Truth has no Expiration Date. Life without Dignity is Slavery.
    • SurrealAmerican (550 posts)
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      5. I call myself "surreal", but …

      … these people really are surreal. It’s like they’re already dead, but, since nobody they trust has told them this yet, they really and truly believe they are the only people who are alive. I could almost feel sorry for them (if they weren’t attacking everything I believe in, that is).

    • Segami (3823 posts)
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      6. Useless little Factory Bot Twerp who sports boy size pants

      ….. :puke:

    • Green Dog Dem (2865 posts)
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      7. He lives in Berkeley, and is rah-rah pro-development and gentrification.

      Aloha! KamaAina in the hale (house).
    • BillZBubb (2097 posts)
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      8. Markos is an imbecile.

      His way of thinking, if you could call it that, has helped lead the Democrats to near ruin. All the statehouses, governorships, the house, the senate–all lost by the Third Way idiots.

      These ghouls sit at their $1,000 per person meet up and discuss how to further disenfranchise their base and protect their masters.

      DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
      • Art from Ark (2094 posts)
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        25. +one hundred million billion zillion

        Markos is one reason why today’s “Democrats” suck

        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
      • MistaP (4423 posts)
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        59. AND they decided the best way to go from there is to do everything in opposition

        to the country’s most popular statesman at ~61% approval

        like Yglesias or Drum they never had any real power, never convinced anyone: they’re just levered into positions of control by the party PTB, all extrinsically–like Thomas Friedman, nobody’d listen to them if they weren’t profiting soemone else

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • Satan (1694 posts)
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      9. Markos, the descendant of Reagan's Central American death squad fascists

      …can kiss my pointy tailed ass!

      Fuck the DLC, Third Way, and Emily's List. They have proven themselves to be a threat to all life on Earth.
    • nevereVereven (2052 posts)
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      10. Markos is a self-serving crapweasel who will be forgotten by history….

      …long before he dies. And deservedly so.

      A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
    • Mnpaul (970 posts)
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      11. Radical Lefty is letting Kos have it on his own site

      Concern trolling from Politico and More Markos bile for Senator Sanders.

      http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/17/1663365/-Concern-Trolling-from-Politico-more-Markos-bile-for-Sen-Sanders

      If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything - Hamilton
      • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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        15. Did you notice that only 6 have recced that post?

        People there may agree but many have been banned just for giving recs to a post like that.   Lots of ugly responses but few recs tells a heck a story.

         

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • Stockholmer (704 posts)
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      12. Markos Moulitsas Is a Fake, His Daily Kos a Fraud

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/markos-moulitsas-fake-daily-kos-fraud.html

      Markos Moulitsas is a CIA asset whose service to the organization, certainly after he started his popular Democratic-Party propaganda-site “Daily Kos” in 2002, has been to shape the minds not of real progressives but of liberal fools (suckers such as this, a person who believed the lies of — and supported — Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders) in order to boost the candidates whom the U.S. aristocracy’s Democratic-Party contingent (which comprises around 25% of the U.S. aristocracy) want to be elected in Democratic Party primaries, to run against the Republican nominee, so that regardless of which of the two Parties wins, the aristocracy remains in charge of the U.S. Government. (This function, of manipulating Democratic Party primaries, is important in order to maintain the U.S. aristocracy’s control over the Democratic Party, and not only  over the Republican Party — over which they’ve long had a total lock-hold.)

      His operation blocks, from posting articles, anyone who exposes the aristocracy’s control over — and Democratic Party incumbents who service — the aristocracy; however, if the given submitted article exposing someone as being such a servant to the aristocracy, is being posted after  the subject’s electoral career has ended, then a writer who exposes that Trojan Horse ‘Democrat’ as having been  a fake, generally isn’t blocked from posting  further  articles and comments — Moulitsas is normally concerned only  to manipulate Democratic Party primary  election-results, and he therefore usually has no interest in blocking the truth about a Trojan-horse fake ‘Democrat’ after that person’s electoral career is over. His editors will let an article like that through.

       

      For example, on 28 May 2016, he was arguing that Hillary Clinton had already effectively won the Democratic Party’s nomination and that everyone who had voted or would subsequently vote in Democratic Party primaries should thus rally around her in the general election to beat the Republican nominee, whomever that would turn out to be. He was ignoring (though he knew well; he’s a highly sophisticated person, with extensive background in the CIA, including even in its death squads in El Salvador when he lived there) that she might be indicted after the Democratic National Convention is over (July 28th) but before the November 8th general election, which would then inevitably hand the Presidency to whomever the Republican nominee would happen to be — but, from the CIA’s standpoint, that would be okay, and so “Kos” isn’t averse to an outcome such as that.

      What would actually disturb the aristocracy (and thus him), a great deal, would be for Sanders to win the Presidency.

      One perspicacious reader there, who recognized Moulitsas’s fakery in that article of his, commented to it:

      FishOutofWater  Must Have Been The RosesMar 28 · 05:41:03 PM

      Kos is utterly dishonest here. Bernie is asking the superdelegates in states he *won* to support him, not Hillary. The linked piece *never* says that Bernie asked superdelegates to abandon Hillary in southern states that she won.

      Bernie does not argue that the votes of southern state Democrats that went for Hillary should be ignored.

      Kos, you should be ashamed of yourself. This is disgusting.

      SNIP

       

      • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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        16. I just saw a post in one of the threads there by an old old internet friend.

        It really is heartbreaking to see the hatred and bitterness toward those of us who dared support Bernie.  It’s in this thread, her name is Julie.  Her post just brought tears to my eyes.

        http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/17/1663399/-Democratic-underground-just-got-hacked-don-t-go-there

        I noticed the site is targeting Caucus99percent, made up of long time Kos members.  The ugliness is getting sickening.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • Dragonfli (873 posts)
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          45. I'm sorry to hear that Mad, I never was a Kos poster, but met many at C99

          They were intelligent, thoughtful, progressive people. I can only assume they are/were run out of their former home and that should be enough.

          It is unfortunate that banishment is not enough for the Kos operative attack dogs and that they wish to attack their refuge as well. They have both my support and sympathy.

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

            

          • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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            48. Here's the comment post. I think you must have known her at DU.

            She was there at least as long as I was, a strong Dean supporter.  But she changed so much when Hillary came along.

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/17/1663399/-Democratic-underground-just-got-hacked-don-t-go-there

            Ok here’s who hates DU more than anyone on earth, some of the Bernie folks.  Before any of you start screaming at me, I’m serious.

            There’s a group of Bernie or Bust folks who hate DU like a crazy obsession.  I happen to know some of them.  We were actually linked through a common interest that wasn’t political.  We frequented a sub-forum of DU. There were squabbles with any group of folks so we set up a closed FB page so that we wouldn’t have to deal with that noise.

            During the primaries they lost their shit.  Crazy obsession regarding not just the primaries but DU.  Yes DU was enemy #1, Hillary and her supporters (well, really anyone who didn’t hate her) were after that it seemed. I pretty much ignored it but was really sad to see my formerly fun, intelligent friends morph into these crazed zealots.

            Soon after election, when that silly story about Bernie getting a summer home they were ranting about HOW DARE anyone even say anything bad about it.  I did weigh in noting the irony of Bernie getting a summer home while screaming about economic inequity.  Got told to “Fuck off” for my trouble.  Left the group at that point, realizing they’d never let go and become regular people again.

            I promise you it is these folks or their like minded buddies doing this.

            The funniest part is that DUers like tho think it’s Russia or some Repub activity.  lolz  DU is such a collection of posts that are one sentence and indiscernible to those who don’t live there 24/7.

            I’ve begun to think they all deserve each other.

            It’s by Julie Nelson.

            If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
            • Dragonfli (873 posts)
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              56. I know now who that is, notice also how projection has completely taken over the

              frontal cortex.

              Enough projection to blind a movie going audience whilst lobotomizing the projector from the white hot mirroir of hate.

              Remember when it was mostly Republicans that used projection of one’s own worst qualities and lack of character in place of rational thought and discussion? They have not only adopted the right wing policies so beloved by the purchased political idols they Bieberize like the Clintons, Lieberman and Obama, they have also adopted the use of hate, spittle and projection that was once the trademark of lower IQ Republicans, one wonders if they ever truly believed in any of the classic tenets of the Democratic party that once existed before the “leveraged intellectual buyout” that turned the party into a low rent annex of the Republican party proper.

              I am afraid there is not enough of a party left anymore to be saved, one can try to be a Democrat in a Republican party that has stolen the brand and hope for the best, but the cancerous right wing elements will likely attack and keep any such Democrats from even running, or cheat them to the point of supporting a teabagger just to keep them out. She is truly the base of this “New Democrat” party, IOW a spittle spewing hate filled Republican that thinks herself a Democrat because Hillary calls herself one.

              I hope that the self destruction is seen by enough progressives that wish to lead politically for them to run as Independents or something else so they may have a chance to get elected and be part of an opposition in spite of dual Republican uniparty rule.

              Their hate binds them, their projection deludes them, they are part of the disease that has killed a party and is helping kill a world, Goddess willing, the vacuum their self destruction leaves as they fail to retain working and poor people as members will be filled by progressives that would enact policies known for several decades to work that were abandoned with the “Republication” of the Democratic Party.

              Perhaps a new party that believes in solutions (proven to work) rather than the end stage Chicago style unfettered Capitalism planks proffered by the two purchased parties will replace one of the two that hates all that are not wealthy while spewing such hatred at a population dying of the vampiric economic exsanguination they endorse, the very evils they support with such spittle and projection, no doubt from a place of financial comfort.

              The victims far outnumber the vampires even combined with the brainwashed dullards that support them after all, perhaps by a hundredfold, if they have someone trying to help them while the uniparty vampires suck them dry, those numbers so vast may show up and cause extreme change, they will only rise for those that would raise them up, but if such conditions are met, computers would burn out trying to cheat such numbers with false data.

              “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

                

                

      • Scott Crowder (305 posts)
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        24. Damn straight

        I’ve been preaching this truth for over a decade.  Make a diary about it here and I’ll rec you.

         

        +1000

      • leveymg (2217 posts)
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        47. Thanks for the real poop on Markos.

        The link to his being a once-upon-a-time in El Salvador CIA asset, or wannabe, or whatever he is, is particularly interesting.  https://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moulitsas-ziga.html

        • MistaP (4423 posts)
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          61. yeah, he insists on seeing FMLN students massacring suspected collaborators

          when he was 8 (1984)–not a likely story, to say the least, and not in the UN report http://www.derechos.org/nizkor/salvador/informes/truth.html

          http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • hopemountain (1621 posts)
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      13. take this personally: we are shit to the dnc –

      they are not interested in protecting the working class and least of all, the disenfranchised. time to move on and take our loved ones with us.

      byebye, you hateful and spiteful ugly “americans”. 2018 is your last stand.

      "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth ....
      • Colors of the Rainbow (1072 posts)
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        30. I’m not interested in letting corporate Ds have my general-election votes

        🇺🇸

    • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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      14. More Markos, Politico:

      http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/bernie-sanders-democrats-2020-238425

      “The fact that Tom Perez has given Sanders a platform without Sanders genuinely agreeing to work toward ‘unity’ has made a mockery of the whole process and literally divided the party more than it was before the tour began. It has been a disaster,” said Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the influential liberal Daily Kos site. “Yes, Perez and company are clearly afraid of Sanders and his followers, but letting Sanders make a mockery of the party doesn’t exactly help it build in the long haul.”

      “He’s a constant reminder. He allows the healing that needs to take place to not take place,” said one longtime senior party official, who like others, remains too worried about appearing to oppose Sanders to speak on the record.

      Former DNC chair Donna Brazile warned party leaders against relying on Sanders, unless they’re willing to give in on opening the party to more independents like he wants.

      My view is that when a party insists that everyone back a candidate who loses to Trump, and then even keeps her around as the virtual leader of the party….that party needs some harsh criticism.

       

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Stockholmer (704 posts)
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        18. Their idea of 'healing' is for anyone who opposes Clintonian corporatism to STFU

        bend over, and eat their scraps whilst we get shivved in the rear.

        • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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          21. Just about the truth.

          :hi:

          If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • ronRonnie (343 posts)
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          52. They may have thought that they had power after the primaries.

          But too bad for them, their bitch lost.  So, fuck what they want, and fuck what they say.  I was never going to back Hillary, and I’m never following those LOSERS.  They will continue to LOSE.

      • Satan (1694 posts)
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        19. Hillary lost TWICE.

        First to a 1 term senator who few had heard of before his 2004 convention speech. Then to a TV reality star who surrounded himself with batshit crazy white supremacists.

        She’s a shitty candidate. And running a third time in her mid 70s sure as Hell isn’t going to improve her chances.

        Or as Keith Richards would say….

        Now you wanna roll the dice

        You already crapped out twice

        ……You just don’t move me anymore

         

        Fuck the DLC, Third Way, and Emily's List. They have proven themselves to be a threat to all life on Earth.
        • glinda (1708 posts)
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          23. perfect

          Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
      • Major Hogwash (1992 posts)
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        39. The fact that Donna Brazile thinks she has ANYTHING to say about it . . .

        . . . is a total mockery, a total sham, of the principles of democracy. That fucking idgit whore is one of the major reasons the Democratic party is on its knees with its head on the chopping block right now!! Those fucktards would prefer that Bernie just die and let them continue to merge with the Republican party. Brazile is an idiot, and after she ran the Gore campaign in to the ground in 2000, you’d think someone would suggest she go for a long walk in the deep woods . . . and stay there!!

        • hopemountain (1621 posts)
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          60. how does she look at herself in the mirror?

          she’s too much of a coward.

          "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth ....
    • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • travelamerica (644 posts)
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      20. Markos, go f*** yourself, you fake progressive

      And f*** everyone else there for being pretend progressives and enemies of real progressives.

      • Dragonfli (873 posts)
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        46. As has been well documented and even shown here, Markos is naught but a CIA

        asset.

        His site is a CIA op.

        “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

          

          

    • Entrepreneur (1624 posts)
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      26. The fastest route to their complete ruin is to keep resisting progressive

      policies.  It announces to the world and that they have no intention of helping average Americans, and that we will have to go elsewhere to get a fair deal. Because they have been consciously scamming us with their fake-left-go-right tactics, and they are making it plainly known that nothing will sway them from that plan. And that’s a good thing. Fuck’em.

      Thanks a trillion to Bernie for exposing these fucking worthless rat bastards.

      No longer GoneFishin.  Truth is I've never GoneFishin.
      • PuffGranny (255 posts)
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        34. I think that they finally caught on

        They thought that they were going to use Bernie to kill progressive thought and the movement. Well that turned into one epic backfire! Bernie voters and supporters were never going to throw their hands up in the air in surrender and begin chanting “better together”. Bernie by his principled stance and continued hammering on the issues has been ripping the mask off of the Dem party for those who for whatever reason still believed in them.

        Now it seems that the Dem Party has figured out that their plan to use Bernie has backfired. In the past week there has been a a full on assault by the establishment-seemingly out of the blue-smearing Bernie and his supporters. Politico, Bill Maher, and Moulitas have all come out with rants and smears meant to hurt our movement. Hey Bill, no, fuck YOU with a organically grown cucumber!

        Rock on, Bernie! You are doing it right!

        #stillbernie
    • peacecorps (2754 posts)
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      27. Glad Bernie is making 'the party' upset. Glad he is making Trump upset.

      That is what a true progressive populist does. Thank you, Bernie.

      FDR stood for high/progressive taxes, tight regulation of corporations, effective legislation to support strong unions, a strong safety net, fiscal policy that supports full employment rather than austerity, engagement with the rest of the world in terms of trade and diplomacy and the Four Freedoms. Bernie supports the same issues plus an understanding of the danger posed by climate change. Count me as an FDR/Bernie liberal.
    • incognito (1276 posts)
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      28. What party?

      There is no Democratic Party. They only think there is. You don’t have a party when only 24% of the voting population supports you. They’re delusional.

      If Bernie runs in 2020, he’ll win by such a huge margin, they won’t know what hit them.

      DEMEXITED…

       
      • Mom Cat (7150 posts)
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        41. I so agree! The Democratic Party is dead and so is Kos!

             NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
        • libodem (1003 posts)
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          68. Yep

          You got that right.

    • Colors of the Rainbow (1072 posts)
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      29. Markos Moulitsas is a whore

      It is as simple as that.

       

      (Have people caught on?)

      • Enthusiast (7191 posts)
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        50. Join me, boycott the DailyKos.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
        • Colors of the Rainbow (1072 posts)
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          51. I never hung out

          I checked out the site years ago. I didn’t find myself liking it. I don’t remember why. I do remember, more than anything else, the name of that site. That’s it.

          • Mom Cat (7150 posts)
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            69. I only visited a few times. I never connected.

                 NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
    • PuffGranny (255 posts)
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      31. They (neo-liberals) can't seem to stop themselves

      They continue to tell us to fuck off at the same time tell us we must vote for them. LOL, not a snowballs chance in hell I will ever vote for a neo-liberal again.

      #stillbernie
    • closeupready (816 posts)
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      32. How much was Markos paid by the Clinton campaign to help consult/promote

      her run?  Serious question.  I’d like to know the kind of money that was involved in her campaign’s efforts to buy up established internet message boards intended for political organizing.  Thanks.

      The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
      • disillusioned73 (271 posts)
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        55. Thats a good question..

        with all the “unification” policies pushed at the end of the primary season – it seems it was fairly coordinated effort amongst various sites..

          "Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats." - Bernie Sanders
    • Jefferson23 (3669 posts)
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      33. I'm glad they're terrified of Bernie.

    • Enthusiast (7191 posts)
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      35. Kicked and Recommended to the Max! I cannot recommend this enough.

      “They charge $1,000 per ticket to attend their ‘Progressive Party’…and eat canapes while wondering why they are out of touch with the rest of the country.”

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • mmonk (932 posts)
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        49. Yep. Says it all.

    • Pacco Fransisco (3375 posts)
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      36. $1000? That's an expensive wake.

      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • Major Hogwash (1992 posts)
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      37. Can't someone just please hack his site off the internet for the next 4 years?

      I seriously doubt he has anything worth listening to anyway. He’s a total douchebag.

    • mick063 (1941 posts)
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      38. Unity is a red hot poker that I shall shove up thier ass

      Mick

      "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    • KenTanker0us (14 posts)
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      42. If I may make a casual observation on my first visit back to JPR,

      ..seems to me that Markos is a braying ass. Whatever Dem party he wants, I don’t belong in.

       

      Thank you.

      I used to be Navarth at DU. I left DU when it became polluted with Hillary pushers. The party bosses fucked us, and Bernie, just like they did with Henry Wallace in 1944.
      • MistaP (4423 posts)
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        62. hello Navarth!

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • KenTanker0us (14 posts)
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          65. Hello MistaP! Thanks for the Hello.

          I must admit it feels good to be back with you guys, all the people I liked at DU.

          I used to be Navarth at DU. I left DU when it became polluted with Hillary pushers. The party bosses fucked us, and Bernie, just like they did with Henry Wallace in 1944.
    • madfloridian (1661 posts)
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      43. Oh my, well now. Now this post at DK takes real courage.

      http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/18/1663616/-Dem-s-Professional-Left-Conference-elbows-out-Sanders-Kos-there-to-demean-Sanders-role

      And surprisingly look at the recs.  Since I am still in good standing there for now, I gave it one hearty rec of my own.

      I am sick and tired of the slams and snark and hatred directed toward us.   :grr:

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Enthusiast (7191 posts)
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        58. That is some post!

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • leftcoastmountains (2242 posts)
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      53. Great post!

      #CalExit #Trumpdoesn'tpaytaxeswhyshouldwe
    • coderEmeritus (247 posts)
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      54. Another…

      ….limousine liberal speaks.  Who died and made anyone care what this 3rd wayer has to say?

    • Enthusiast (7191 posts)
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      57. This is what has happened to the party. They refuse to change.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • Iwillnevergiveup (442 posts)
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        66. Thank you, Enthusiast

        That is one helluva video I had not seen.  As far as I can see, the attendees at that CAP event are Republicans.

        "Tyrants don't care if you believe them, they just want you to succumb to doubt." Peter Maass
    • oldandhappy (3050 posts)
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      63. not to worry, the grassroots Bernie folk will get out of your party

      We got other work to do!

    • Blackspade (2436 posts)
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      64. Kos can go fuck himself.

      That elitist peacock is part of the systemic problem that gave us Trump and wiped out the Democratic party.

       

    • ctsnowman (359 posts)
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      67. In the last year and a half

      I have learned that many Democrats do not like my skin color, sex or age. Kinda hard to stay in a tent with them. Bad enough that I can’t discuss politics with my own demo because 2/3rds of them are right wingers.

      Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
    • iggy (456 posts)
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      70. All of these "consultants' are expecting someone to fill their Rice Bowl.

      Bernie isn’t like that. He pays people a fair wage and that’s it. Sorry, the gravy train is about to derail.

      Truth has no Expiration Date. Life without Dignity is Slavery.
      • Snort McDork (1997 posts)
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        71. So glad I don't read and have not read his blog in over a year

        In the toilet with the rest of the filth and corruption crowd.