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  • spud demon (1026 posts)
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    Media: Fake News (North Korea)

    Is the MSM pushing us toward war with bad translations of North Korea statements?

    Original MSM translation:

    We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. Neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolstering up the nuclear forces chosen by ourselves, unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated.

    Non-MSM translation:

    “Unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated, we, under no circumstances, will put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table and will not flinch even an inch away from our path of strengthening of the nuclear forces, which is chosen by ourselves.”

    http://www.38north.org/2017/08/editor080917/

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  • Ferd Berfel (4936 posts)
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    1. big difference

    Their ability to control the message is getting better and better some day we will have no way to check up of them.

    …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
    • Average Gazoo (1408 posts)
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      3. I see it differently — they are trying hard to assert media dominance

      because they no longer have it.  The shift to social media happened faster than they can react, which isn’t all that fast.  And now they are employing many doomed strategies. In effect, trying to get the social media genie back in the bottle.  Can’t be done.

      They are trying to shore up old media by claiming to be more trustworthy than fake news. If by fake news they meant click bait then yes they are more trustworthy but they don’t mean click bait. They mean WikiLeaks, RT, TYT, Abby Martin, Jimmy Dore, everybody on the PropOrNot list and everyone who presents news that doesn’t fit their narrative.  They seek to conflate alternative media with “fake news” because they want their credibility and relevance back.  Of course it wasn’t alternative media that damaged the credibility of the MSM — it was the MSM. It “WMDs” and “Trump can’t win” and 100 other things.

      A similar strategy is being rolled out by the DNC establishment. They have a campaign using the buzzwords “Centrist” and “Together” and “Unity” but the last 2 of those really mean “suck it up and come back into the fold you Sanders’ supporters that we burned.” And “Centrist” is being used to define the emerging Left as extremist (how original!) by contrast.  Like the newspapers, the DNC wants to say in effect “we’re realistic and they aren’t.

      They wouldn’t be trying these tactics if they weren’t in trouble ( and they’re doomed).

       

      • VagrantPeters (670 posts)
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        4. Interesting take on things.

        It certainly makes a lot of sense to me.  What their next move is (MSM and the DNC) after this crap doesn’t work is what has me interested.

         

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        • Entrepreneur (2003 posts)
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          5. Eroding net neutrality to choke information flow will be among their next steps.

          The GOP insists that the Vegas shooter's gun arsenal is "a right," but medical treatment for his 500+ survivors is merely "a privilege." /  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
  • bemildred (4708 posts)
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    2. Yeah, they are.

    It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
  • Scott Crowder (509 posts)
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    6. Not seeing mistranslation here at all.

    Original MSM translation:

    We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. Neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolstering up the nuclear forces chosen by ourselves, unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated.
    Non-MSM translation:

    Unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated, we, under no circumstances, will put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table and will not flinch even an inch away from our path of strengthening of the nuclear forces, which is chosen by ourselves.

    Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
    https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
    • spud demon (1026 posts)
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      7. The sentence restructure/split removes the "unless" clause

      from the “negotiating table” sentence, making that statement absolute rather than conditional.

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      • Scott Crowder (509 posts)
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        8. No it doesn't.

        The restructuring leaves in the unless clause entirely.

        Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
        https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
        • spud demon (1026 posts)
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          9. The unless clause is only in one sentence.

          It no longer applies to the negotiating table statement after the MSM restructure.

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          • Scott Crowder (509 posts)
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            10. Yes, it still does

            Absolutely nothing about the meaning of either statement is changed.

            Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
            https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
            • bemildred (4708 posts)
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              12. Spud is correct.

              It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
          • Spanish Devil (293 posts)
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            11. Correct, spud demon.

            Message manipulation, as you describe, observed & registered.

            Far an taine ‘n abhainn, ‘s ann as mò a fuaim.

            Where the stream is shallowest, it is noisiest.

  • Coldmountaintrail (2491 posts)
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    13. i see two versions with somewhat different meanings. which is an

    accurate translation, no clue, since i don’t speak korean.