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    Michael Moore: Had Dems LISTENED, Bernie Sanders Would Have BEATEN Trump!

    Michael Moore: Had Dems LISTENED, Bernie Sanders Would Have Beaten Trump!

     

     

     

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    • LiberalElite (4771 posts)
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      1. No shit, Sherlock. eom


       

      I feel much better since I've given up hope
    • oldandhappy (3223 posts)
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      2. People have a right to be frightened.

      The Trump M.O. is fear and destruction.

      • Phlem (486 posts)
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        3. So was Hillary's disguised as

        Hope N’ Change. :/

        • oldandhappy (3223 posts)
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          4. oh, amen!

          Did not mean to excuse her in any way.  I voted Dr. Stein.  I was terrified of clinton.  Still am actually.

          • Phlem (486 posts)
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            5. I voted for stein as well.

            But I’m still upset with myself for voting lesser of the 2 evils.

            Our electoral system is rigged sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.

            • oldandhappy (3223 posts)
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              9. hmmmmm

              I am anti-fracking, anti-TPP, anti-war and felt Dr. Stein represented me pretty well vs others.  I never saw her as lesser.  To me both of the big guns were unacceptable.  I guess a lot of people wanting support for weed voted for Gary.  Anyway, I felt my vote was clean — for me.  And yes, our electoral system is soooooo rigged!  Or it is able to be sooooo rigged.  The clinton mafia is probably on my forever list of bad guys.  And Trump is just plain unacceptable.  Thank you clinton.  She gave us two unacceptable candidates.  My view.   Give yourself a break.  It was a bad election selection.  Not your fault.  Now we work locally.  Bog hugs.

              • Phlem (486 posts)
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                21. That's not what I meant, I said that wrong

                I meant it would be nice to be able to pick from at least 2 great choices instead of the one that resigns not to kill us all.

                We should have a high water mark that reflects that, but I think as a nation we’ve been conditioned to consider “Not killing us all” as the best we can do.

                But yes, work locally but pay attention nationally because that tends to trickle down and affect us locally too. I’ll always fight the good fight my friend.

                Bog hugs back. :)

                • oldandhappy (3223 posts)
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                  23. giggle!

                  yea, bog hugs!  And big smiles.

        • hollys mom (844 posts)
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          13. no, hope and nothing will change.

          a good reason why she lost, why bankroll the same old same old.  – well I am sure she would have pushed chartered schools less obviously and put in a lot of republican laws, but nothing as bad as Trump.  So few things are that bad.

          • Phlem (486 posts)
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            22. Exactly.

            :)

            • hollys mom (844 posts)
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              27. I just caught up with Blackish yesterday and there they were talking about why

              people would vote for a horrible person like Trump. I thought it was well done. Bt it could be because I agree we had two very flawed candidates thanks to uninformed people in primaries and people who sat on their hands. I truly believe most people on both sides were not happy voting for the people they voted for, if they didn’t go third party anyway.  Granted I have some friends who are so uninformed it is amazing and make excuses for his aberrant behavior. No Mary all guys are not like Trump, he is a spoiled rich bully who never had to pay for any misdeeds.  Just like my sister thinks Hillary was a saint and talking about her losing was considered nasty and negative. .

      • avaistheone1 (1003 posts)
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        15. Now?

        Well what did you think of Obama’s Change We Can Believe In campaign followed by his administration’s  8 years of war, and 7 countries being bombed as we speak?  Now you are worried when the president-elect wants to have peaceful with other counties like Russia.  Huh?

          I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst.   Gore Vidal      
        • Ohio Barbarian (3242 posts)
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          16. Somehow, I don't think OldandHappy is worried about potentially better

          relations with Russia. There are plenty of other things about Trump to be worried about. Things like he is obviously mentally ill with a bad case of narcissism, the CEO of Exxon Mobil as Secretary of State, a neo-Confederate as Attorney General, a Secretary of Education who doesn’t believe in public education, a Secretary of Energy who wants to abolish the department, a Secretary of Health and Human Services who doesn’t believe in a safety net, a Goldman-Sachs toadie as Secretary of the Treasury, and his own billionaire son-in-law as a trusted White House adviser. Not to mention saber-rattling at China, which has thermonuclear weapons too.

          Somehow, I don’t think this guy has MY interests at heart anymore than Hillary or Obama did.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
    • Entrepreneur (1745 posts)
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      6. Dems think they are going to wait for the merry-go-round to make one full turn

      then jump back on again without changing their strategy.  Trump helps that strategy, Bernie would have hurt it by exposing their scam entirely.  They prefer Trump to Bernie, the fucking morons.

      No longer GoneFishin.  Truth is I've never GoneFishin.
      • oldandhappy (3223 posts)
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        11. They may be in for a surprise!

        We need to take over the states.

    • Bernice Ta (405 posts)
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      7. Wasn't he a Hillbot? Who cares what he says now, if so? nt

      • hippiechick (1351 posts)
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        10. +10000

        nt

      • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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        20. Not during primary season. Only after HRC became the nominee vs. Trump.

        My Endorsement of Bernie Sanders by Michael Moore.

        Of course after the primaries were over, Bernie himself endorsed HRC as he greatly feared a Trump presidency.

        trekagainsttrump
      • TRex (2281 posts)
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        29. He predicted Trump would win.

        When all the experts got it wrong.

        We can thank the rich for one thing - times are changing due to the silent depression in the working class. I don't think the rich will be happy with the changes, but they forced it upon themselves through greed and avarice.
    • ThouArtThat (4072 posts)
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      8. Yep – And Now We Have 8 Years Of The Tangerine Terror To Look Forward To

      eom

      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
      • Mario (275 posts)
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        19. Hopefully just 4.

        Or less if he gets impeached.

    • Caretha (614 posts)
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      14. Yeah, right

      can you hear my sarcasm?  Just like Brock….now he wants on the Bernie bandwagon. Sorry bro, you missed the train, it’s out of the station and you were no where near the terminal.

      Oh Michael, why didn’t you confront Hillary about the Flint Michigan water catastrophe?  Somehow I don’t think you are as clever or as smart as you think you are.  Do something useful again, and after much kowtowing from you, I might listen to you once more.

      You should look up kowtowing, it’s a very incredible symbolic way to prove you were culpable and are now sorry.

      "But the moment eloquence or the language of debate enters, true reasoning becomes impossible. For the purpose of the debater is not to find the truth but to win the argument, and to this end he will often stray as far as possible from the real issues"   "Eloquence and debate are designed, not to decide issues, but to sway people, for this reason they lean heavily on appeals to emotion and prejudice, and make use of neat, clever, and sometimes humorous turns of phrase rather than profound analysis of ideas" "Of all this Confucious was contemptuous" Confucious by H. G. Creel 1913, Chapter "The Teacher"
      • avaistheone1 (1003 posts)
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        17. Somehow Moore's legendary critical political assessments are at a loss

        when it comes to Clinton.  What a joke he has become.

          I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst.   Gore Vidal      
      • Enthusiast (8332 posts)
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        25. He endorsed Bernie.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • VagrantPeters (568 posts)
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      18. Oh Mike, if you would have gone all in on Bernie early.

      Say, you and Warren endorsing the Sandman early and vociferously, we might have beaten that jackal in the primary.  Instead of condeming the morans insisting she was anointed – the so called left sat on their hands until it was too late and then backed the archfiend Clinton with great gusto.  Milquetoast Sanders support early, only to be followed by full-throated threats and mockery to anyone against the queen rings as spineless triangulation.  Eat a bag of balls.  Moore is still alright in my book because there are only a few Cornel Wests out there and I believe in coalitions.  However, I’ve drank all the turd way punch I can stomach.

      "It's alright Ma, it's life and life only."
    • Robbins (324 posts)
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      24. FU to that reporter

      blaming us and bernie for trump’s Victory

    • washellofromreddit (164 posts)
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      26. If they had listened to Sanders after the primary, even Hillary could have won

      He told them: talk about jobs and trade.  Talk to people slipping into poverty.  Talk about reversing the slide.  The republicans have zero traction on any of that.

      Instead, the democrats kept saying that everything was going fine, and the only complainers were either deplorables or ignorant children who knew no better.  It was astounding how stupid the whole campaign was.  And the rest of the party down-ticket seemed to think they could ride her coattails to an easy win.

    • PFunk1 (1081 posts)
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      28. Ok. Time to play deff for Mike here

      For what I see Mike was always in Sander’s camp and strongly backed backed him up until the end of the primary’s where he gruelingly switched over to team Clinton.   Probably because at that point he knew the fix was in. He saw no way to get Sanders elected and he didn’t want Trump to win.  However it you noticed his support for Clinton was kinda half-hearted he wasn’t supporting her because he liked he polices or her.  But because he didn’t want Trump to win.  It was during this time he gave that speech that PO’d the Clinton camp highlighting why Trump would win anyway.  And he started organizing against Trump and backing Sanders once again soon after the election was over.

      So unlike the other real turncoats  Mike isn’t really one of them and doesn’t deserve our scorn.  In short IMO his actions may be ‘questionable’ but he’s still one of us.

    • TRex (2281 posts)
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      30. MMoored called the election and it seems to be making his critics crybaby

      all over the Interwebs. Guess what folks, he is that smart – get over the way he looks and listen to what he says. Geezus.

      We can thank the rich for one thing - times are changing due to the silent depression in the working class. I don't think the rich will be happy with the changes, but they forced it upon themselves through greed and avarice.