Millions Appear to Be Skipping Second COVID-19 Vaccine Shot in the U.S.

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    • #419378
      jbnw
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      From Slate: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/millions-americans-skip-second-covid-vaccine-dose.html

      Millions of Americans appear to think that one was enough. More than five million people, accounting for almost 8 percent of those who got a Pfizer or Moderna shot in the United States, have not gone in for their second dose, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, reports the New York Times. That is almost double the rate of of people who appeared to miss the second dose through mid-February. The number shows how health authorities don’t just have to work to convince those who refuse to get vaccinated in the first place, they also need to work to make sure people go in for their second shot.

      Reasons for missing the second shot vary. Some didn’t want to risk the side effects and others said they thought one shot gave them enough of a protection against COVID-19. It’s likely that some, though, didn’t make the decision but just faced too many hurdles to get the second dose and decided to simply give up in frustration. Some vaccine providers canceled appointments because they didn’t have enough supply or had received a different brand of vaccine. It’s likely that when faced with this obstacle, some did not go through the trouble of finding another provider.

      Almost everyone I know, including me, has heard of or knows people for whom the second dose put then down for a few days with strong side-effects.

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      He went and got tested for covid as he thought he had it. Nope. He decided not to get the second. His reasoning was if the first shot did that to him what would the second shot do? As for me I’m still on the fence about getting the shot at all.

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      NV Wino
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      She had such a bad reaction her doctor suggested that she not get the second shot.

      I got both of mine through some local contacts. Yesterday I got the notice from the county that my turn was coming… finally. I unsubscribed from the county notifications. I think a lot of the aversion to the second shot is how badly the whole process was handled in the first place.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
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    • #419391
      gordyfl
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      About a dozen or so people that I know all got their 2nd shot. I’m going to try again this week for an appointment for the J & J one shot. There are plenty of Pfizer vaccines around here but I’d rather go once and be done with it.

    • #419405
      jbnw
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      Had second shot yesterday; a little tired in the afternoon, but mostly fine today. The suspicion is that I had coronavirus last year as last year’s symptoms reappeared, but the second shot may have limited side-effects if that’s the case and can even help to recover from long-lasting effects from coronavirus.

    • #419418
      Bernie Boomer
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      Between the folks who can and do, the folks who can’t or won’t, and the folks who stop halfway through, we’re getting the full gamut of possibilities.

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      Pam2
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      But @jbnw you are a just a nutty Trumper if you don’t want a shot that makes people sick!

      These side effects are unacceptable to me. They need to figure out why that’s happening if they want everyone to get the shot. I get the flu shot every year and never experienced or heard of the problems we are seeing with the Covid shots.

      I can keep staying home and wearing masks.

       

      • #419436
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        and one who works in group healthcare who won’t do it because of previous vaccine side-effects (two co-workers were out for several days after), so I understand.

        There will also be issues as to whether it can be mandated as so employers are trying to do as it is still an experimental drug.

        For me, after a year of breathing difficulties etc. (finally improving) with no treatment found, I was among the willing to try anything!


        @pam2

    • #419519
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      to the first shot may give people pause, but there is more than ample reason to question getting these vaccines at all. As I have posted before on this site and elsewhere:

      I will NOT get any of these vaccines because they are all still INVESTIGATIONAL.

      They have been issued via Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) to Pfizer/BioNTech on December 11, 2020; to Moderna on December 18, 2020; and to Janssen/Johnson & Johnson on February 27, 2021. Thus, they are incompletely tested, unproven, and having been available for less than a year, lack a solid year’s worth of data establishing SAFETY or real efficacy. The American public is not told this information!

      I am dismayed that many medical professionals (especially on the airwaves, representing the medical-industrial complex) and the media (the same industry, including NYT and WP, that actively sold and encouraged the Iraq War) continually promote these “vaccines” as THE answer to the pandemic, the ONLY route to normalcy. I am even more troubled by Rutgers (and now an ever-growing list of universities) requiring mandatory vaccination of students who are young, healthy, low risk for serious infection/death, and at greater risk for potential long term sequelae.

      Coercion and/or mandate of an EUA/investigational product violates informed consent, medical ethics, and the Nuremberg Code.

      FACTS matter and these are just some of the facts in the Pfizer/FDA Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers (an informed consent document, updated 2/25/2021 on the FDA website):
      Page 1: “There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.”
      Page 3: “The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is an unapproved vaccine.”
      Page 3: “The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown.”
      Page 6: “The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA-approved or cleared product.”

      The fact sheets for Moderna and Janssen/J&J bear the same statements.

      Since these vaccines are still experimental, everyone being injected is really a subject in Phase 3 clinical trials. Prevention and transmission were not endpoints of the pre-EUA trials, so true efficacy remains unknown as does the duration of any purported protection. In fact, the only claim was that the vaccines would lessen the degree/severity of illness in recipients. Also, for the Pfizer and Moderna products, this is the first time mRNA technology has ever been used in humans on such a massive scale. Long term effects are completely unknown, and yet vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued for any harm because they have been totally shielded of any liability through the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act.

      The mRNA technology of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been studied for over 20 years. However, previous attempts to create such SARS vaccines (after the earlier SARS-CoV-1 and MERS outbreaks) failed at the level of animal studies because of vaccine-induced, antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) which caused the test animals to experience more severe illness, and often death, on re-exposure to wild virus.

      And while some say COVID-19 is worse than the flu, it is worth noting that:
      1) the flu can kill the old, the young, the healthy and the infirm indiscriminately while COVID-19 deaths are generally in those over 70 with serious underlying health conditions
      2) the influenza vaccine was first developed in 1933, refined in 1942, and further refined in 1978. As that virus continually evolves (adapts, changes, mutates), the vaccine (a traditional one based on inactivated virus or viral subunits/proteins) changes each year and yet may only be ~50% effective (a coin toss) in preventing flu infection in any given year. Nonetheless, that vaccine has been tested repeatedly and stood the test of TIME and SCIENTIFIC SCRUTINY… a far different scenario.

      Comparing these vaccines to the polio and MMR vaccines, again, is false and misleading because those vaccines have been thoroughly tested and most importantly, PREVENT the diseases. That cannot be said about these new SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. They do not necessarily prevent infection or transmission as we are currently seeing several reports of breakthrough cases of SARS-CoV-2 in those who have been fully “vaccinated.” In fact on 4/16/2021, the CDC reported 5,800 cases of breakthrough infections in those who had been fully vaccinated with 396 of those so infected requiring hospitalization and 74 deaths. Plus, there are emerging variants — which is what microbes do: adapt or mutate — about which there is only speculative protection.

      Normal FDA approval of drugs requires a minimum of 6 years with 1 year of preclinical animal or lab (in vitro) testing followed by enrolling a small number of healthy human subjects (Phase I, 1-2 years), then enrolling those who have the condition for which the drug is being investigated (Phase II, 1-2 years), increasing enrollment (Phase III, 2-3 years), then FDA review and final approval (1-2 years). All of these phases are continually examining SAFETY and efficacy.

      The process for vaccines is often much longer and for good reason. Drugs affect a smaller portion of the population, i.e., those people with a given condition that the drug is meant to cure or abate. Vaccines, however, are given to a vastly larger segment of the population and importantly to healthy people. Therefore, the time spent on safety and efficacy studies is crucial.

      Then, too, history has shown that even after full testing and FDA approval, effects emerge in the larger population that weren’t uncovered in the trials, effects that have resulted in removal from the market: Rezulin, Vioxx, Bextra, Accutane, Meridia, Seldane, and more. Even the Sabin (oral) polio vaccine was discontinued in 2000.

      Anyway, with these EUAs, that process has been completely subverted. The viral genome was sequenced on January 11, 2020, vaccine trials began last summer (2020), and the EUAs were issued as noted above. So, we do not have a single, solid year of data! And yet, we are told these “vaccines” are safe and effective. No questions asked. No questions allowed.

      But scientific inquiry is precisely about asking questions, asking them repeatedly, and then challenging the answers and/or the accepted dogma. You do not hear any voices raising these points or questioning these vaccines at all on the airwaves. And the few who do — or try — are silenced, pejoratively dismissed as ignorant or anti-vaxxers. OR the media divides the pro and con camps — simplistically and erroneously — as Democrats vs Republicans, with the dissenters branded as selfish, evangelical Trumpers or worse. Nonetheless, upwards of 30% of healthcare personnel, many of whom have been on the front lines delivering care since SARS-CoV-2 was declared a pandemic on March 11, 2020, refuse vaccination and have expressed eloquent, scientific explanations that have nothing to do with partisanship. Of course, they are marginalized by the mainstream media.

      Coronaviruses are here to stay. Historically, there are coronavirus strains that cause the common cold, but SARS (CoV-1) has been with us since November 2002 and MERS since 2012. They will be with us, and will continue to mutate, as viruses do. Thus, with so many unknowns about the virus(es) still, how can there be such certainty about incompletely tested, unproven vaccines! How can anyone say that the benefits of any of these vaccines — which lack standard, and certainly long term, test data — outweigh the risks, especially when the risks of severe illness and death from COVID-19 vary with age and underlying health status, and when well over 98% of people recover.

      The media reports cases and deaths without distinguishing positive test results from clinically significant cases, or deaths due solely TO COVID from deaths WITH COVID complicating co-morbid conditions, especially cardiopulmonary and metabolic (obesity, diabetes mellitus). I understand the media and politicians (supported respectively by pharmaceutical advertising revenue and campaign donations) presenting these vaccines as panaceas; but again with so many unknowns, how can there be such blind faith in the prevailing narrative about these vaccines.

      The Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System (VAERS-CDC) has accounts of over 40,000 adverse reactions and over 2,000 deaths attributed to these vaccines in the 4 months since their release to the general public. Yet, no one questions the vaccines?! They question the VAERS reports and those of us who remain cautious, but the vaccines are sacrosanct????. That should give everyone pause. That is a big, unreported source of the hesitancy and reluctance.

      As posted elsewhere: “if the vaccine is so safe, why are we being coerced, threatened (with loss of employment) or bribed (with Krispy Kreme donuts) into taking it, to prevent a disease so deadly we have to be tested to see if we have it.”

    • #419534
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      So maybe they would only gain a little from a second shot.

      Then again, I don’t really understand how the shots work, and everyone might benefit from the second shot as it’s the one that is a “live fire exercise”, and convinces the immune system to do what the first shot prepared it to do. And so having done that once, the body is arguably significantly better prepared for the real thing.

      I read one expert opine that one shot of Pfizer is roughly equivalent in effectiveness to the one shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Time will (maybe) tell, assuming we’re getting an accurate accounting of what’s going on.

      But since this is now about more than “Died: y/n”, people’s experiences will be subjective. Hospitals are reportedly in some places giving admittance to people with less severe symptoms than they were six months or so ago. So that too is going to make apple to apple comparisons of the vaccines effectiveness harder to pin down.

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