Millions face delayed tax refunds, cuts to food stamps as White House scrambles to deal with shutdown’s consequences

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    • #8846
      Ohio Barbarian
      • Total Posts: 25,015

      Washington Post:

      Food stamps for 38 million low-income Americans would face severe reductions and more than $140 billion in tax refunds are at risk of being frozen or delayed if the government shutdown stretches into February, widespread disruptions that threaten to hurt the economy.

      The Trump administration, which had not anticipated a long-term shutdown, recognized only this week the breadth of the potential impact, several senior administration officials said. The officials said they were focused now on understanding the scope of the consequences and determining whether there is anything they can do to intervene.

      Thousands of federal programs are affected by the shutdown, but few intersect with the public as much as the tax system and the Department of Agriculture’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the current version of food stamps.

      The partial shutdown has cut off new funding to the Treasury Department and the USDA, leaving them largely unstaffed and crippling both departments’ ability to fulfill core functions.

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      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #8853
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      <p>that come down on the poorest. Hopefully the ‘poorest’ are a large segment of the population. We’ve done it for decades. We want regime change somewhere? Triangulate the greatest number of people we can and make them suffer shortages: food, gasoline, whatever. And we sit a while and wait to see if it’s bad enough for the common men and women to force their leaders out of office. Then we install someone we can ‘work with’.</p>
      <p>But normally we don’t do it to our own. But it’s right there in our faces. The middle and lower classes go hungry. Sick. It’s getting worse and worse. But the kicker is, we don’t have a ‘regime’ we can change to. We don’t have some other nation state trying to ‘make our lives better with Freedom, etc’. We’re kind of at the end of the line. In a stategist’s wet dream, the people of the United States would throw on a yellow vests and kick the crap out of Washington DC. Only the oligarchs will remain. </p>
      <p>So no food stamps, no health care, prescription drugs that are unaffordable. Can’t get the tax refund WE DESERVE – I mean we loaned the fecking gov’t monet for 11 months. It’s payback time. </p>
      <p>If it wasn’t so fecking funny I’d say “We coulda had hillary”</p>
      <p> </p>

      • #8856
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        <p>This will hurt the poorest of the poor in our country. Mostly families with children. The 1%, the bankers, the corporations and the politicians, especially the president have hit a new low. The lowest this country has ever faced. </p>


    • #8865
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      <p>I kid! How could he know!? He fired everyone that would actually stand up to him! Now, he is just a floating turdd at the mercy of which way the sewer is flowing – seems to be all downhill from here.</p>
      <p> “A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his own party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the president is weak.”  – Trump</p>
      <p>”I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals, and people that have lots of problems, and drugs pouring into our country,” Trump said. “So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it — the last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting it down. And I’m going to shut it down for border security.” – Trump</p>
      <p>What a loser, President Loser doesn’t even know how the simplest things work in D.C. and is to arrogant to learn or (probably closer to reality) is a dumb as f*ck spoiled rich loser that won the lucky sperm lottery. </p>

      Forcing people to work without pay is akin to slavery.

    • #8887
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      <p>1. ‘Administration officials’ only learned recently the consequences of Trump’s pigheaded approach. Note that Trump is not quoted for learning anything. Never had to learn in the past, why start now. He clearly doesn’t give a damn.</p>
      <p>2. What Adminstration officials have learned, they haven’t bothered to convey to their own party. Trump likes to keep everyone confused about his next move, otherwise he would have been caught years ago for his actions. I suppose his surprise this time will be how little he actually cares about America. We all knew it, but his fans are about to find out.</p>

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

    • #8931
      David the Gnome
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      Didnt get through.  This goes beyond severe cuts – it will be the end of the food stamp program if they do not get it together in time.  Tens of millions of men, women and children will begin to starve.  Most of them will not go quietly.  There will be extreme theft, violent crime, riots and possibly worse.

      Add in the hit to the economy when tax returns dont get sent… and there is a crisis that could break the whole system.  I dont care what they have to do – re open the government.  Or, see what happens when you take what little millions of desperate people have left.

      • #9069
        Ohio Barbarian
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        It would demonstrate to Trump that he can get the Democrats to do anything he wants by throwing a temper tantrum and holding innocent people hostage. In short, it would enable him to rule in the manner he wishes, which is much like a mafia boss would, without even the warped loyalty and honor that some of them had.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #8982
      99th Monkey
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      Red hot to white hot inverted lens,

      bends into the c0re of humanity,

      and we will never be the same ol’ again.


      Repeated abuse breeds a numbness, suicide & deliberate ignorance,

      a seeming bulwark to assuage all the pain & grief,

      And we can only guess what is next in store for us,

      victims can only dream of better days,


      • #9390
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        and it will get worse. Bernie has already linked the economy to the gun issues.

        He is spot on. When people have no hope and less food and shelter, they break.

        Not hard to see, especially if you’re looking. Threaten to take their guns is an affront to them

        and for good reason: the government has already taken everything else or allowed the rich to do so.

        The 50% that doesn’t own a 401k, are being squeezed harder than anyone else. The dems have screwn them

        for the last 30 years. So, they’re no better than the r’s at this point, except for the gun issue.

        The r’s are taking guns away from them by rising prices and fees, while the d’s are openly talking about

        prohibition. Prohibition NEVER works for ANYTHING*.  And it’s too late to change the impression.



        *except to raise the coffers of the authorities**.


        **and the rich thieves that can buy them.


        "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

    • #9344
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      Does anyone else have this problem?

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".


      • #9350
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        The rec button seems to be missing.

      • #9429
        HalfCentury Man
        • Total Posts: 862

        We dicuss the tools of gun violence but never the motivations. The root causes of the depressions, angers, and social isolations that are the primary motivators of mindless mass violence. We simply refer to these sufferings as “mental disorders” as though the had no cause.

        Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

        John F. Kennedy: 13 March 1962.

        • #9567
          Ohio Barbarian
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          Of course, I think mental health care is a human right just as much as the physical, old leftist that I am. 

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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