Mob morality and the unvaxxed

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    • #443169
      lownslow
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    • #443171
      djean111
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      Funny thing – whilst those not being vaccinated are scorned and threatened with not being able to work or buy food or mingle – I am starting to recognize that perhaps I would not want to be around those who do the sneering and threatening.  I don’t, really.  I will skip the irony or whatever of getting Covid from a vaxxed asshole without a mask.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #443173
      Sorbish
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      The goal of that motivation is reduced risk reduction.

      But none of this is simple, and the sensation of threat from a person/or peoples who is or are not acting in perceived ways that are believed to reduce the threatened persons’ risk is a very easy association to make (whether or not and regardless of the extent to which it may be true).

      And pushes for reductions to new risks (wearing masks, getting vaccinated, isolating upon exposure) can bring conflicts of ‘rights’, ‘freedoms’ and can come with costs (crushed entertainment, travel and tourism industries) which create their own perception of threats.

      In a nation where personal prerogatives and opinion of what’s personally best have been in large part tolerated as personal freedoms, you can bet that prerogatives and opinion that contrast majority views won’t change without friction.

      Pressure from the majority will work toward achieving its desired risk reduction even at the expense of others.

      Ending the pandemic needs a shot in the arm.

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    • #443182
      Average Gazoo
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      Just what I needed this morning as I ponder what to do about friends who are circulating memes about “horse dewormer.” One of them circulated a meme with “Art of War” Tzu saying “If your enemy wants to take horse dewormer, let them.” It was deeply disturbing to see an otherwise compassionate person join in the demonization of those who are sick and desperate, to refer to the dying as “the enemy.” Perhaps some with great access to healthcare cannot imagine that others do not have the same options but more likely it is the mindless, emotion-driven group-think that the author describes — anger and fear being mobilized by tech-fascism against generic, and therefore less profitable, treatments for Covid.

      Just as the author clearly lays out, I too fear the direction of this fascism and the speed at which it is moving. The Tzu meme reminds me of the peak of AIDS crisis when the victims were shunned, blamed and disowned but this time it isn’t religious bigots doing the fascism — it is liberals, people who view themselves as informed, compassionate, open-minded and anti-fascist. And that to me makes it even more depressing.

      Be the Change

    • #443186
      HassleCat
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      Those resisting vaccines, masks, distancing, etc. are claiming they are in the crosshairs, will be rounded up, etc.

      • #443228
        lownslow
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        A minor quibble, HC, a lot of vax hesitant folks are pro mask and distancing. I think the polls show ant vax fall into 2 or three groups: right wing folks, bernie people, and i forget the other, but you get the point

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      David the Gnome
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      To any of this.  Can the vaccines be trusted?  The CDC?  The government?  The media?  Heh.  In general i would say no.  I have given this a lot of thought lately and honestly…

      When it comes to this, the only thing i know for sure is that I don’t know anything for sure.  I would prefer to believe in the decency of people overall, that character and compassion would overcome lies and misdirection… But i am not stupid.  I see the same shit you all do.

      Perhaps one of the good things about being relatively powerless and poor is that I really don’t have to make the big decisions.  I got the vaccine, I wear a mask, but fuck if I know what’s working and what’s just luck.  I know my ticket could be punched at any time by any number of things.

      So… Eh.  Fuck it.  I’ll play by the rules for now, because for all I know masks and vaccines work.  But they might not.  They might not work as well as we are told.  Hell, for all I know a government created covid19 as a fucking social experiment.  Whatever.

      The world is on fire and shit – and most of us are just trying to keep putting one foot in front of the other.

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      jerry611
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      There is very little trust in our institutions. People don’t trust the government or the media. Trust in those are at all-time lows in this country. Beyond that, it’s not much better. Do we trust Big Pharma? The CDC? The WHO? Trust the doctors, right? But doctors also aren’t much better. A lot of people have had negative experiences with our healthcare system over the years. They may have felt scammed by a for-profit system or misdiagnosed or feel the doctors don’t listen to their issues or concerns.

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      snot
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      nearly all of it both unwarranted (we still have too little info to be certain who’s wrong) and destructive of real solutions.

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #443336
      David the Gnome
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      @snot

      Thats what happens when the only leadership you have is cowardly, incompetent and hopelessly corrupt.  People fight among themselves…. For a while.  Eventually that anger and fear that the politicians have stirred will turn on them.

      It won’t be pretty.

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