My tribute to Kobe Bryant

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  • #257561

    HassleCat
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    “…                                          …” That was it. I don’t pay much attention to professional sports, and I don’t hang on every word uttered by pro sports stars. Am I wrong to feel this way? I do not believe athletic accomplishments contribute as much to our society and culture as music, art, science, and a host of other endeavors. Although it is tragic that Bryant died so young, I don’t believe his passing will leave a great hole in our nation, not any greater than if you or I died today. Am I a jerk?

  • #257565

    xyzse
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    @hasslecat It’s surprising since he’s just a little older than I, but that’s about it really.

    I can commiserate with his family and friends, but I don’t know him, and there are only a few living celebrities whose death would hit me hard.

    Betty White, who I worry about, since I don’t hear much from her lately…

    As well as a bunch of guys from Star Trek(Patrick Stewart, William Shatner and George Takei), Ian McKellen, Julie Andrews and Christopher Plummer.

    I think that’s it for me.

    As for Sports…  I seriously don’t know since I don’t pay attention to it one bit.  Maybe Tenshin Nasukawa and Samart Payakaroon?

  • #257572

    NV Wino
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    @xyzse Betty White just had a birthday (94, I think), and there is a good bio/doc on Netflix about her.

    “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
    “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #257845

      xyzse
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      @nvwino I love Betty.

      She needs to be placed in a protective bubble and handled with the utmost care.  That lady is an irreplaceable treasure.

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        NV Wino
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        @xyzse I remember watching Life with Elizabeth on channel 13 when I was growing up in LA. Even then she had a personality that leapt  through that old black and white TV and captured you heart.

        “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
        “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

  • #257601

    Pam2
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    No, you aren’t a jerk. I don’t get the worship of athletes either. They get paid a lot of money to play games.

     

     

     

    • #257739

      JonLP
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      The get paid a lot of money because people watch them play games. The billionaire owners rake in profits off their labor (you can’t have basketball games without basketball players).

      It is like saying an actor gets paid for posing in front of a camera.

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        @jonlp

        Yes, I know the owners are also overpaid.

        • #257768

          JonLP
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          The biggest problem I have are stadium subsidies. Those are bad deals for the public.

          I took economics myself so I don’t worry about what athletes make. The NCAA doesn’t even pay their players and coaches, broadcasters, networks, athletic directors, etc make billions off their labor.

  • #257657

    Junker
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    Nobody is talking about the rape.

  • #257664

    Stockholmer
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    Football (real football, not the thug life tosh played in the states) is a a microcosm of life…sorry you cannot see the uneven beauty of some arenas of life…….

     

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    if I had the arse of a crow,
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    And shit on them bastards below…

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  • #257669

    Satan
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    I thought the Shaq/Kobe era of the LA Fakers had to be the most overrated NBA franchise of all time, to be honest.

    Yeah, it’s sad that Kobe died at a fairly young age, and even more so that his 13 year old daughter went with him. Along with two of her teammates & their parents, apparently.

    On the other horn, this was a case of rich privilege, gone horribly wrong. Seriously, who takes a fucking helicopter to a high school basketball game??

    I’ve heard that Kobe and/or his pilot were warned not to fly in this freakish foggy condition that was all over LA at the time.  But they went ahead and did it anyway.

    Sad story? Sure. And Lakers fans certainly would be expected to mourn.

    But it took over the Pro Bowl, the Grammy awards, and for fucks sake, even Democracy Now and TYT today.  Enough already…..

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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    JonLP
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    I enjoy sports more than most TV or films.

     

    It isn’t scripted or full of the screenwriter’s bias. Sure sports commentators are biased but the ball doesn’t care who is wearing what jersey like Toronto defeating the Golden State Warriors despite a lot of people’s expectations.

    There are few things in life I enjoy more than cheering on the Arizona State Sun Devils. The biggest reason is they had an undefeated season though they lost the Rose Bowl to Ohio State when I was young. There are few things like that shutout of #1 Nebraska and that Sun Devil team had liberals like Jake Plummer and Pat Tillman.

    I also had season tickets this year and I really enjoy watching dual threat quarterbacks like Jayden Daniels who plays for ASU who upset Oregon at home.

    I’m watching Arizona State’s comeback against hated rival Arizona in men’s basketball as I posted this.

    • #257741

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      THE NFL, THE MILITARY, AND THE HIJACKING OF PAT TILLMAN’S STORY

      (Snip)

      Tillman enlisted expecting to join the fight against Al Qaeda and the effort to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. Instead, he was sent to Iraq. All available evidence indicates that Tillman loathed the Iraq War. A voracious reader who consumed many of the world’s great religious texts even though he considered himself an atheist, Tillman was a student of history and formed his own opinions. Shortly after arriving in the country, he confided in his brother and their friend Russell Baer that he thought the invasion and occupation were “fucking illegal.” He had loose plans to meet with Massachusetts Institute of Technology linguist and antiwar intellectual Noam Chomsky once he got out of the military. Still, as much as Tillman resented the Bush administration’s war of aggression, he refused to walk away from the military until his commitments were met, even after conversations between the NFL and the Defense Department presented an opportunity to do so.

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      TILLMAN HAD MADE it clear that he did not want a military funeral. He was cremated instead. “Pat’s a fucking champion and always will be,” his baby brother Richard said at the service. “Just make no mistake, he’d want me to say this: He’s not with God. He’s fucking dead. He’s not religious. So thanks for your thoughts, but he’s fucking dead.” Lt. Col. Ralph Kauzlarich, an Army officer tapped to lead one of the early investigations into the incident, was apparently so profoundly unsettled by the Tillmans’ lack of religion that he, at one point, suggested their absence of faith was the reason they couldn’t come to terms with Pat’s death. “I’m not really sure what they believe or how they can get their head around death,” Kauzlarich told investigators in a follow-up inquiry in 2004. “So, in my personal opinion, sir, that is why I don’t think they’ll ever be satisfied.”

      https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/pat-tillman-nfl-protest-death-army-disgrace/

       

      Tillman was a big loss for me because of my Sun Devil fandom but he was a better person than he was a football player and he was a really good football player.

  • #257790

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Let’s not start gravedancing on a freaking basketball player, of all things, please. What possible good does it do to be calling Kobe Bryant a rapist just two days after he died with his 13 year old daughter? FFS, this is cancel culture taken way too far, IMO, and all it does is piss some people off. Remember his victim in Colorado 17 years ago is living very well right now, thank you very much.

    Would you call him a rapist at the funeral in front of his family? Are you going to sink to the level of those anti-gay wackos who show up at military funerals with signs saying “God hates Gays?”

    The real issue here is privilege. All helicopters and small planes were told by air traffic control authorities not to fly, but they just couldn’t tell a multimillionaire no, and the greed of an air shuttle service ended up killing 8 more people than just that one multimillionaire. That’s the story, IMO, not what an arrogant jock did to a 19 year old girl exhibiting zero common sense 17 years ago.

     

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    • #257820

      JonLP
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      We don’t really have a cancel culture when it comes to rape. Less than 1% of rapes result in felony convictions though if someone does land in prison and they have a sex charge on their resume they are not going to have a good time. There will be people checking your papers to see what you were convicted of. I don’t take it that far but society doesn’t really cancel rapists especially if they are famous or have talent.

      I don’t know if Kobe was but if he did at least he improved his behavior. NFL cancelled Kaepernick but not Roethlisberger.

  • #257859

    MikeW285
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    On the crash itself…

    I work at a large medical center and I know for a fact that our trauma helicopters don’t fly in low visibility conditions far **better than what Bryant’s chopper was flying in.  There are set “minimums” that our pilots observe– every, single time. No exceptions. They have to stay on the ground in moderate fog or a low ceiling, even when there’s a critically injured patient on the other end of the line.    I feel bad for the pilot of Sunday’s crash too- there was probably pressure to go, even though it looks like he eventually got boxed in as the terrain near Calabasas rose underneath him, but the low ceiling stayed at the same altitude, and he was flying under visual flight rules.

  • #257876

    chknltl
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    First off, my condolences to his family and those wbo loved him. My further condolences to his fans.

    While i was not a fan, I agree with those fellow members who warn us about grave dancing.

    I do follow sports, primarily American football. I get it that there is a lot of money to be had for the successful athletes, I also get it that they put their bodies on the line in order to get that money.

    I also know that there are many other reasons these athletes put their bodies on the line, Richard Sherman wants respect, Marshawn Lynch is having fun…Russel Wilson has that winning spirit.

    Should I outlive any of these three multi millionaires (and many others),  I will mourn their passing and miss them.

    Betty White is mentioned above, Carrol Burnett also comes quickly to mind. I hope she has not passed yet.

    Paul McCartney, Ian Anderson, Dolly Parton, (my dearest Lindsey Stirling), all multi millionaires and all treasures.

    I guess if there is a point to be had here, enjoy them or ignore them, let us not speak ill of them once they have passed. Like you, they once strolled about on this planet and like you, they are loved.

     

    • #257886

      xyzse
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      @chknltl I completely forgot about Paul!  You’re right… I would mourn the heck out of that.  Dolly Parton too…  Take that Babs, not missing you.

      Maybe even Willie Nelson.

      • #258007

        chknltl
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        @xyzse
        Regarding Dolly Parton. Do yo know the story behind her song “I Will Always Love You”?

        It is something of a love song/resignation letter song.

        To paraphrase Dolly:

        Porter Wagner had a successful show that featured many artists when he picked up the then unknown Dolly Parton.

        Porter himself was fully in charge and signed everyone to their contracts and signed their paychecks. It was The Porter Wagner Show and everyone knew it.

        He signed Dolly to 5 years.

        Durring those 5 years Dolly’s fame grew…Porter Wagner’s on the other hand shrank.

        He and Dolly fought bitterly, (“…bittersweet memories…”) she wanting to leave, he refusing.

        Wagner threatened to sue Dolly if she left, told her that she would never find work in Nashville nor Hollywood. He told her she would wind up back on that farm shack she started out in.

        After 7 years Dolly had had enough. She knew that she was going to quit. So she did what she knew how to do best, she went to her trailer and wrote a song that expressed her true emotions.

        Then she went into Porter trailer, made him sit down, she picked up her guitar and sang “I Will Always Love You” to him.

        (Can you even imagine? THE Dolly Parton singing THAT song for the first time to an audience of one?)

        According to Dolly, Porter was “bawling” before the song was over.

        When she finished, Porter Wagner asked that Dolly let him produce that song and if she did that, she could go with his blessings.

        Porter Wagner’s star continued to drop. According to one source I read he wound up destitute and in a hospital.

        That same source furthered that: While he and Dolly were never lovers or anything close, Dolly never fully abandoned Porter Wagner.

        She went to him as a friend while he was in that hospital, she made sure all of his bills were paid and she loaned him a substantial amount of money…which he never paid back. Dolly did not mind.

        I guess Dolly Parton meant every word of that song she wrote to Porter Wagner and she remained grateful to the man who gave her her start in music.

        For me, this is the true beauty of the artist known as Dolly.

         

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