Nationwide Chaos: NYPD Precinct Attacked, CNN Vandalized, Treasury Breached As Mayors Beg For Calm
May 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM - Views: 123 #320638
Just wow! Cop-thug cars burning everywhere, people attacking CNN, Treasury, Police Departments, Banks, Corporations, White House… all deserving targets. No partisan divide, just all front attack against the system…
Link has good collection of various events, and hilarious tone of faux libertarian fear of masses really rising up, revealing how totally committed they also are to protecting the side system. 😀
May 30, 2020 at 11:42 AM #320647HorsefeathersParticipant
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Hope things have calmed down by then.
May 30, 2020 at 12:26 PM #320653
Here’s one big problem though…
The big businesses won’t skip a beat. They’ve got tons of money on cash reserve. They got insurance. That Target in Minneapolis that is on every news channel will just repaint, restock, and be back to normal operations in a few weeks when the riots disappear and the nation goes back to fighting over the next Trump tweet or whether or not we should be forced to wear masks.
But small businesses that are looted out and burning. They may never reopen. Some of those businesses are not owned by the rich but by middle class. Some are owned by immigrants trying to make it in this country. They may have had their life savings in these businesses. And now they are ruined.
The riots are also largely concentrated in the heavily populated urban centers. It’s not happening much in the suburbs. It’s not happening in the country clubs. It’s not happening in the gated communities or in rural America which voted heavily for Donald Trump. Those places are all silent and those people are all safe in their beds sleeping.
So yes, there is a divide there. There is a class divide. There is a race divide. And there is an urban-rural divide.
May 30, 2020 at 12:58 PM #320655
things will soon return to “normal”. Given growing mass unemployment, lack of any and all social security, wave of wild cat strikes, coming mass wave of evictions, major geopolitical shifts undermining US dollar status as reserve currency, etc., your assumption does not sound like a very safe bet.
May 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM #320658
It will return to normal. It always does. This country has a short attention span and even shorter memory.
Vast majority of the country isn’t protesting. Most of the protesters are also youths.
May 30, 2020 at 6:20 PM #320676PADemDParticipant
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I don’t think our country will return to “normal.” I think the killing of George Floyd became a tipping point. There are now riots in 15 cities across the United States. People are fed up with the police being able to kill and get away with it.
May 30, 2020 at 8:16 PM #320701
I guess we’ll see. But there is no major reform being discussed. Voting makes no difference in this situation. Michael Brown and Freddie Grey were killed by white cops under Obama and nothing happened to those officers. Am I supposed to think Biden and Klobuchar are going to be any more successful? Have they proposed some type of plan to make changes? Are the courts, the judges, and the juries going to suddenly start holding cops accountable when they use excessive force? Minneapolis already has a Democratic mayor and a Democratic governor. So who are people there supposed to vote for in November that’s going to change anything?
This is a social/class problem. And change on that front is going to be slow and frustrating. You can’t just pass a law and fix this. You have to change the way people think and the way they live their daily life. If you think that is going to radically change because some 20-somethings burn a few buildings and loot a few businesses, I think you are going to be very disappointed. The system will protect the status quo at all costs. And as much as this looks bad that 15 cities have riots….it’s nowhere near enough to make any systematic changes.
May 30, 2020 at 10:58 PM #320746
The way you speak of younger generations makes you sound like a boomer… of certain type. Yes, this is social and class issue. And generation issues very much coincide with class issues. And now people have had respite from the capitalist rat wheel for several weeks because of Corona lockdown, and don’t seem to willing to go back to that life. On the other hand the pandemia has been culling especially the boomer generations and hastening population change.
May 31, 2020 at 12:45 AM #320786
Im in my 30s.
And I’m only being realistic. Police killings don’t change the world. Pandemics don’t either. We’ve had 100k deaths from Covid-19. That’s no doubt a lot, but it’s not on the level of even the spanish flu. We lose around 50k people a year just from the flu. There is no “culling” of older people going on here.
May 30, 2020 at 9:39 PM #320727David the GnomeParticipant
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I might have agreed with those points. Now though? Tens of millions of jobs lost, homes, cars, hungry people… and that is spilling over into the streets. If there is not some kind of effective social program put into place…
When people are hungry, especially starving, they tend to become desperate. That desperation can drive even a well disciplined army into doing really crazy shit. Or, shit that would be crazy under normal circumstances. Things are changing – for better or worse is yet to be determined.
There will be a lot more violence to come – and much of it could be avoided if those governing us pulled their heads out of their asses. If they do not do something to help the people very soon, I see genuine civil war coming.
May 30, 2020 at 10:29 PM #320736MizzGrizzParticipant
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..so they aren’t taking the fight where it needs to go.
They’re hitting out at anything at hand,which is why they are burning and looting their own neighborhoods instead of taking the battle to the suburbs and the gated communities.It has ever been thus,and that’s why nothing changes.
May 30, 2020 at 10:50 PM #320742
White House, police stations, Treasury, Corporate media, various Federal buildings… centers and symbols of power. Suburbs and gated communities are not worthy targets for mass rebellion, that would be just stupid.
May 30, 2020 at 11:33 PM #320763
May 31, 2020 at 12:56 AM #320792Cold Mountain TrailParticipant
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you showed up for 2020
same schtick as 2016
May 31, 2020 at 12:17 AM #320781
None of these people are hungry. There is no threat of starvation.
I think you are suggesting things are more dire than they really are. We’ve gone through depressions and world wars. We have dealt with pandemics before. None of those things changed the capitalist system. We’ve had riots over racial killings before. Baltimore. Ferguson. Heck you can go back to the 60s and we had assassinations all over the place. We had racially-charged violence all over the place. None of these things created the type of change you are suggesting is now imminent. But there is no indication these protests over this will change anything. You have pundits and politicians and civil rights leaders talking about stopping the protests. The National Guard is now moving in and even possibly the military in order to stop the riots.
Maybe in your city it feels different. But where I live, nothing is different. People are going to work. They are going to the grocery stores. They are going about life like nothing is different. There is no riots in the streets where I am.
You and others are talking like this is the cusp of a revolution. Absolutely zero chance. None. Nada.
May 31, 2020 at 12:46 AM #320787
is that things could go on as they were. Ever increasing class disparity, social injustice and ecological destruction cannot continue ad infinitum.
To understand what is really going on, we are living civilization scale turning point, from increasing centralism (ie. state capitalism in its various forms) that has now reached dead end, towards new forms of p2p decentralization.
If the system reacts in sane way with UBI instead of militarily, which however unlikely remains a possibility, that also means end of capitalism-as-we-know-it, as people are no more faced with choice of starvation or wage slavery, and buyer of labor will have to start paying competitive rewards on levelled labor market. To put it simply, that will mean that toilet cleaner who does essential work will have much better purchasing power than a bankster who does only harmful looting and is not necessary in any way.
May 31, 2020 at 1:58 AM #320816JunkerParticipant
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Massive violence seems to be the only way to get anything changed. Polite gatherings in Free Speech Zones (cages) is ignored by the media and the politicians that are on the take from corporations and wealthy “business” interests.
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