Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust

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    • #358945
      alcina
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      Almost two-thirds of young American adults do not know that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, and more than one in 10 believe Jews caused the Holocaust, a new survey has found, revealing shocking levels of ignorance about the greatest crime of the 20th century.

      According to the study of millennial and Gen Z adults aged between 18 and 39, almost half (48%) could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto established during the second world war.

      Almost a quarter of respondents (23%) said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure. One in eight (12%) said they had definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/holocaust-us-adults-study

       

      "I believe man suffers from an appalling ignorance of his own nature." -William Golding, Lord of the Flies

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      GZeusH
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      U…..U….?  U…ni…..   I got it!  Uranus!

    • #358958
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      These surveys seem to always poll the least-informed people, but I’m not that surprised about YA not knowing the name of a single concentration camp.  It’s been 75 years, and unless you’d been drilled a/o were jewish/had a connection, not a piece of info likely to be retained.

      It *is* surprising *anyone* thinks jews caused the holocaust though.  You wonder what they’re figuring to come to that conclusion.

      Even if people are at the upper age limit (39) its unlikely they had a family member/friend who was even *in* WW2.  Today’s 40-year-olds were born in 1980 *unbelievable to me!*.

      It’s like a person born in 1945 having a connection to events from 1870 (e.g. Reconstruction or loosely, the Civil War — but that was an American war).

       

    • #358966
      RufusTFirefly
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      There’s a scene in Tara Westover’s memoir Educated that’s meant to shock and to show just how isolated she was.

      After spending most of her life homeschooled in a highly restrictive, ultra religious environment, she finally “escapes” when she’s accepted at Brigham Young University. During a history class when a slide is flashed up on the screen at the front of the room, Tara raises her hand and tells the instructor there’s a word on the slide that she’s unfamiliar with. It turns out the word is “Holocaust” and the instructor initially assumes that she’s being facetious. It’s inconceivable to him that anyone in America would be ignorant of that word.

      Little did we know.

      When I was in junior high school (a public school), we saw Alain Resnais’s documentary Night and Fog in class. Some of the haunting footage from that movie is forever embedded in my brain.

      Meanwhile, back in the good ol’ USA, imprisoned immigrants are being forcibly sterilized.

      Move on. Nothing to see here.

    • #358977
      Ohio Barbarian
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      We took her to the Holocaust Museum, and that cured that.

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      Gryneos
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      I think we can also lay a fair amount of the blame at the feet of STEM. Liberal arts (including history) went by the wayside in the big push for science and math education. Only recently have I read that they are adding the arts back (and because they love their acronyms, it gets a letter in STEAM) but the damage is done.

      The idea that they don’t know about the holocaust simply because they don’t know anyone personally is a specious argument. If you have good instructors on any topic, the students will remember it. My favorite art history class was on ancient art. Now, I don’t know anyone who is several thousand years old, yet I still remember things from that class thirty years later. And yet, I’m not much of a history buff. Most of it is uninteresting to me. The history of wars and politics aren’t as interesting to me as the history of science and invention, or of art and architecture.

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      Recently we read The Tattooist of Auschwitz by Heather Morris. This is partially fictional account by one of the Auschwitz tattooists that would tattoo the serial number on the condemn’s arm. I thought it was very good.

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    • #358993
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      ..we read Anne Frank’s diary. I can’t remember how much detail we learned about the Holocaust. I read a lot on it later as an adult .

      I’ve never seen Night and Fog @rufustfirefly  It must be one of the first Holocaust films. I’ve seen Shoah.

       

       

       

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      jwirr
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      That is true but it is not the whole truth. Ten million persons died in the Holocaust. 6 Million of them were Jews killed because of their religion. But the Gypsies were killed because of their culture, the disabled, poor and elderly because they were seen as useless (like the doctor in Georgia and his hysterectomies). Hitler was running a real white supremacy government there and he learned some of it from our eugenics movement.

      Looks to me that schools need to take credit for this and start teaching history again. I must say that my high school in the 60s did not go into this very much. I learned the most from the Missouri Lutheran College that I attended in the 70s and they never tried to deny the facts – Germany under Nazi/fascist rule murdered 6 million Jews (plus many others) in the holocaust and the Jews did nothing to deserve it. We were lucky enough to have a visiting Rabbi lecture us and set and talk with  us. We also had German professors that visited and held classes as well. No one except some crazy old idiot who wrote a news paper denying the whole thing ever denied it.

      Most of these young people who do not know what they are talking about and yet I bet they all have internet – they could educate themselves  before they goose step us all into the second WWII horror.

      jwirr

    • #359009
      alcina
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      @pam2, we read Diary of Anne Frank in 8th grade history.  And then we watched Night and Fog. Talk about traumatizing. Good discussions though, as I recall. Our neighbourhood had a fairly high number of Russian Jewish emigres, and I later learned from one of the kids that his parents had pushed hard to have this in the curriculum.

      "I believe man suffers from an appalling ignorance of his own nature." -William Golding, Lord of the Flies

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      djean111
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      He thought it was only Jews.  He was also surprised that Russia had 24 million military and civilian deaths.    Remember, history is written by the victors and those who are in charge of the history books.

      https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/27/holocaust-memorial-day-2020-many-deaths-genocide-12125183/

      Between the years of 1939 and 1945, the Holocaust claimed millions of lives, with most taken in death camps such as Auschwitz-Birkenau in Nazi-occupied Poland. It is estimated that 11 million people died in the Holocaust and that about 1.1 million of those were children. About 6 million of all the people killed were Jewish and the remaining 5 million were made up of Poles, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically disabled people, trade unionists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Russians, priests and pastors, resistors and non-Jewish spouses who refused to divorce.

      In high school, we had a really good theatrical program, and staged The Diary of Anne Frank.  And it was required reading and book report and history stuff.    Early sixties.  We also thought our government was there to help us.  Pretty mixed bag.

       

       

    • #359077
      3fingerbrown
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      I wonder how many are even aware of the million+ innocent people their bipartisan, warmongering country has murdered all over the Middle East alone?

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #359103
      ozoneman
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      A book by Norman Finklestein.

      A lot more people died than Jews, and now Israel has become the abuser of the middle east, with the help and guidance of the U.S..

    • #359108
      closeupready
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      So this factoid is consistent with that one.

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      bazukhov
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      It’s an almost daily diary of a German Jew who was married to an Aryan German.   It’s a two volume set and every page is fascinating.  He was a professor of French literature  in Dresden and goes from the rise of Hitler all the way to the end of the war.   He was an intellectual, WWI veteran, politically a Centrist, not at all religious, (he thought the Zionists were nutty religious fanatics), who thought that Hitler was a crank who would quickly be deposed, and considered himself to be a proud German.

      He was very human in that he was no “hero” and depended on his marriage to keep him from deportation.   As time went by, he was removed from his job as a professor, had to move out of house, had to wear the star, but refused to leave Germany until it was too late.  He just missed the bombing of Dresden through sheer luck.

      I’ve read many books about the Nazi era but this one is the best description of how life was for ordinary people during those years.  From being dismissive of Hitler at first to being terrified because an ordinary German who passed him the street and nodded to him in a friendly way despite the star would cause him to be deported if he acknowledged it.  He was arrested at one point and spent some time in jail just for being a Jew but being married to a “racially pure” woman saved him.

      The one thing that he did that was actually heroic was to keep the diary which would have sent him to the camps if discovered.  He write the diary(s) in notebooks which his wife entrusted to an Aryan woman friend who hid them away in her house.

      He was Victor Klemperer, a cousin of the famous conductor Otto Klemperer who had tried to convince him to leave Germany.

      When he published his diaries he didn’t edit them at all.   He left in all of his own cowardice, his own misjudgement, his fears, and his early arrogance.

      He was superbly human.

       

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    • #359164
      Yanath
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      @3fingerbrown

      It’s rather amusing (not in a good way), watching Americans pretend their political power system isn’t as bad as the Third Reich.

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      Captain Arizona
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      How many young adults know about the native american holocaust brought on by their fellow americans like president andrew jackson.

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      eridani
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      –from Nazi phot and film records.

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