New GOP argument against vax mandates.

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    • #445167
      HassleCat
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      This article is about Asa Hutchinson, but Republicans all over the place are taking up exactly the same line: forcing people to get vaccinated will only toughen the resistance to getting vaccinated. This is the same argument they use whenever they don’t want something. It’s great because it allows them to pretend to be for something even as they encourage opposition to it. I am old enough to remember Dixiecrat governors warning that mandating desegregation would only hurt the Negroes by making white southerners hate black people even more. If you think this is a bad comparison, remember that some of the vax opposition is coming from Proud Boiz style groups. The fact that so many Republicans are offering the same argument at the same time is no coincidence. It’s an appeal to the right wing base to resist the government and cause trouble. They don’t give a shit if people get vaccinated or not, or even if people live or die, but they really want to add to Biden’s problems and they know that opportunity when they see it.

      Arkansas governor: Biden’s Covid-19 vaccine mandate ‘hardens the resistance’ to them (msn.com)

    • #445196
      doh1304
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      postracial paradise that is the American south to debunk that lost cause strategy. The 5 tools theory says if we just had enough people who knew what they were talking about and let them tell the truth, but that’s worked so well with climate denial. (of course we didn’t really try it with climate denial)

    • #445204
      David the Gnome
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      They keep pushing a little harder every year.  They want to see how much we have left.  Of our humanity, of the things that make us worth a damn.

      The right is not the Republicans alone, if it ever was.  It is “both sides” of supposed polar opposites.  Yet they will work together on corporate welfare, every time.  They will revere the rich and despise the poor, every time.

      Until we do something about it.  Then all hell breaks loose.  Eventually, they will push too hard.  Alice will see where the rabbit hole leads, so to speak.

      When that happens, maybe things will change.

      • #445213
        jbnw
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        I have a friend who was living in Bucharest during the Romanian revolution.
        I have friends who were living in Russia and Ukraine during the fall of the Soviet Union.
        I have friends who were, and are, living in Ukraine during and after the Maidan revolution.
        I was visiting Ukraine when martial law was declared during the Kerch strait incident.

        Their stories make me hope that I am never in a country during a revolution, coup, or collapse, but there’s enough going on in the US and around the world that I’m am not confident I will never see one.


        @davidthegnome

        • #445230
          ArtfromArk
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          As for myself, I have spent the last few decades in “boring” Japan. After reading about all the crap that has happened elsewhere, I’ve really started to appreciate this country.

          “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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      jerry611
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      Biden is probably going to get smacked down in the courts anyway. OSHA has never been used in this fashion to put mandates on the individual worker’s healthcare choices. SCOTUS will likely ask where do you draw the line? If OSHA has the ability to force every working American to inject a certain medicine, based only on an executive order by the President, could a future president sign an executive order and force other medical and lifestyle decisions based on this new concept of a “healthy workforce?” All without Congress being involved? I can easily see a 5-4 or 6-3 decision striking this down (if the court wants to).

      I know many people want to bring up Jacobson vs Massachusetts to argue vaccine mandates are legal. However, that involved a state law passed by a state legislature that dealt fines to the individual not getting the vaccine. It didn’t have anything to do with a presidential executive order forcing businesses to enforce the rule on workforces. SCOTUS can easily rule against this Biden thing and not touch that Jacobson ruling.

      If the federal government wants to find a way to mandate vaccination, it’s going to need Congress to get involved and you need some type of vaccine database. Having presidents set these mandates unilaterally through an agency that has only 2,000 employees is probably not going to work. And ultimately not a good idea.

      • #445234
        MackMarkstein
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        Take my case, same as a few thousand of my co-workers. And similar workers across the land.
        OSHA: Organization (created in late 60’s or thereabouts) chartered with protecting workplace safety. Assuming workplace may be evil, so force compliance with Feds.
        Our case: Our workplace is our respective houses. We work from home. I haven’t been even asked to go to the office in 2021 except once to get what I wanted because they are selling the building. I went to the office once in 2020 since March 1 to reboot the desktop machine. Nobody else seemed to be in the building at the time.
        If J’Biden gets his way with this particular weaponization of OSHA, I and my work-at-home (at each person’s home) dept., the ones who don’t have the “passport”, would need to go somewhere once a week, ie. be around some sort of crowd of people, some maybe wearing masks, some not, some carrying the virus at the time, some not–to get tested. But without the OSHA compliance people like me would be staying home all week not breathing on anyone and not being breathed on.

    • #445246
      B Calm
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      they are in a death cult.  That would make it more clear for their wilfully ignorant followers and to all the people scratching their heads trying to understand why!

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