New WikiLeaks Bombshell: 20 Inspectors Dissent From Syria Chemical Attack Narrative

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    • #238665
      Voltairine
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      Late Saturday WikiLeaks released more documents which contradict the US narrative on Assad’s use of chemical weapons, specifically related to the April 7, 2018 Douma incident, which resulted in a major US and allied tomahawk missile and air strike campaign on dozens of targets in Damascus.

      The leaked documents, including internal emails of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) — which investigated the Douma site — reveal mass dissent within the UN-authorized chemical weapons watchdog organization’s ranks over conclusions previously reached by the international body which pointed to Syrian government culpability. It’s part of a growing avalanche of dissent memos and documents casting the West’s push for war in Syria in doubt (which had resulted in two major US and allied attacks on Syria).

      This newly released batch, WikiLeaks reports, includes a memo stating 20 inspectors feel that the officially released version of the OPCW’s report on Douma “did not reflect the views of the team members that deployed to [Syria]”. This comes amid widespread allegations US officials brought immense pressure to bear on the organization.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-wikileaks-bombshell-20-inspectors-dissent-syria-chemical-attack-narrative

      Aloha!

    • #238667
      ThouArtThat
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      @voltairine

      Hi volt,

      Speaking for myself, the country formerly known as America has lost all credibility.

      Why any citizen has confidence in said country is beyond understanding given just recent events of 2019, let alone events of all preceding years.

      One of these days there will be a reckoning for the road to perdition traveled by said country.

      TAT

      Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges.
      That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges.

      - George Carlin

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

    • #238672
      BirdSong
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      The many of us with functional BS detectors knew that the claims concerning chemical weapons were lies. It’s the details that we needed to learn.

    • #238707
      KenTankerous
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      The problem is they keep getting away with this shit.

      "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
      - Henry A. Wallace
      (FDR's Vice President until he was forced out by the corrupt forces of obscene wealth.)

    • #238769
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Assad had no rational reason to launch a chemical attack, and he’s not crazy. I always thought the most likely explanation for the “attack” which triggered Trump’s Tomahawk tantrum was that an American or French missile hit a storage facility and released the gas.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #238785
      Earthartist
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      I ask over and over again how people get fooled over and over again. I think people read what they want to be true and don’t bother with the rest. Democrats read or listen to msm  or NYT while the republicans are watching fox or Wallstreet journal. They listen to NPR or some conservative mouth piece. Both tell them in some way we have the right to everyone’s goods around the world, and they are bad leaders if they say no to us, so then we have the right to, bomb them, foment coups.  When it starts looking like we are over stepping, then out right lying about things like chemical weapons or weapons of mass destruction are fair game to keep the public quiet. They have learned that after the fact they don’t pay attention.  I look at Hong Kong as a perfect example. We hear about these  massive protests against China, we never hear about the leaders who are being funded and supported by NED. These people are massively violent. They are hated by the Chinese. There have been huge counter demonstrations but we don’t here about that. Mostly we do not hear that none of this has to do with China. Rather it has to do with how the British rule made property the source of power in Hong Kong. They like the rest of us are having forced austerity shoved down their throats. The protests that is the nonviolent protests are anti austerity protests, the violent protests are an effort to provoke china and create unrest. The problem is the Chinese lot in life is improving at great speed so this will not work and the leaders of the world are starting to call BS to the US. Now if only we could get Americans to call bs to our government!

      Earthartist

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      eridani
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      Caitlin Johnstone: Deluge Of New Leaks Further Shreds The Establishment Syria Narrative

      1. The symptoms of the alleged victims of the supposed chemical incident were inconsistent with chlorine gas poisoning.
      “Some of the signs and symptoms described by witnesses and noted in photos and video recordings taken by witnesses, of the alleged victims are not consistent with exposure to chlorine-containing choking or blood agents such as chlorine gas, phosgene or cyanogen chloride,” we learn in the unredacted first draft. “Specifically, the rapid onset of heavy buccal and nasal frothing in many victims, as well as the colour of the secretions, is not indicative of intoxication from such chemicals.”

      2. OPCW inspectors couldn’t find any explanation for why the gas cylinders supposedly dropped from Syrian aircraft were so undamaged by the fall.
      “The FFM [Fact-Finding Mission] team is unable to provide satisfactory explanations for the relatively moderate damage to the cylinders allegedly dropped from an unknown height, compared to the destruction caused to the rebar-reinforced concrete roofs,” reads the leaked first draft. “In the case of Location 4, how the cylinder ended up on the bed, given the point at which it allegedly penetrated the room, remains unclear. The team considers that further studies by specialists in metallurgy and structural engineering or mechanics are required to provide an authoritative assessment of the team’s observations.”

      3. The team concluded that either the victims were poisoned with some unknown gas which wasn’t chlorine, or there was no chemical weapon at all.
      “The inconsistency between the presence of a putative chlorine-containing toxic chocking or blood agent on the one hand and the testimonies of alleged witnesses and symptoms observed from video footage and photographs, on the other, cannot be rationalised,” the unredacted first draft reads. “The team considered two possible explanations for the incongruity:

      Again, none of the findings which were inconsistent with the US narrative were included in either the final draft of the Interim Report or in the Final Report. Nothing about the low levels of chlorinated organic chemicals, nothing about the inconsistencies in symptoms with chlorine gas poisoning, nothing about the lack of damage to the cylinders, nothing about Ian Henderson’s findings. Nothing. The OPCW had no business withholding that information.

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    • #238975
      Stockholmer
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      It always was bullshit. Libya and Syria are blood on Shillary McWarwhore and Obama’s hands. The CIA was already using imported porta-riot Chechen and other Islamist snipers starting in 2010 to shit-stir up public hatred of the Assad regime to prime the pump for a regime change war. All part of the furtherance of Zionist Israel and the Sunni Wahhabi Saudi scum’s greater Middle East/Maghreb grand regional chessboard strategy which will culminate with the big one, the war with Iran.

      • #239022
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @stockholmer I could not agree more. IMO, the only reason the Empire is not at war with Iran is because the Pentagon’s own war games have shown that it would be horrendously costly to the US military. In one scenario, the American general playing the Iranians managed to sink three aircraft carriers in one day and shoot down I don’t know how many multibillion dollar warplanes.

        Plus, an occupation of Iran would make that of Iraq look like Reagan’s invasion of Grenada.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #239049
      chknltl
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      I recall that back at SV I early on made the plea that our country needed to undergo what the citizenry of Germany went through after WWII.

      Our citizenry is unaware, either deliberately or not, about the carnage that is done in our name worldwide.

      I tell folks this: If you were directly responsible for someone else’s car crash, wouldn’t you stop to render what aid you could?

      Instead, our citizenry pretend as if there was no accident or that the accident wasn’t their fault.

      Disagree?: Those who have been harmed by our government throughout this world…were harmed by OUR GOVERNMENT.

      When we take all that pride telling the world that ours is a government OF BY AND FOR US, who in reality are directly responsible for all that carnage?

      Well you might see things differently, you might think it ok to drive by the accident, that it was instead caused by other forces, but I wouldn’t bet the farm that the world sees things like you do.

      IFRC over at SV I found only one who fully agreed with my thinkings on this topic…

      …she was German.

       

      • #239083
        MistaP
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        Berlin and Tokyo (and the deliberately autonomous murder-forces they unleashed) actually made sure to hide as much of what they were doing rather than reveling in it

        yes the people of Dachau saw the barbed wire and yes Upper Silesians saw trains go into the “factory camp” and only greasy flakes come out; like in Argentina 1976 you had to be “seen not seeing” what the state was doing: but the whole point was to hide things from the German populace or even the soldiers passing by in trains of their own for the glorious conquest of the new frontier/repression of bandits (I should put scare quotes around each of these but that’s the paragraph after next)

        but if you’re in Coblenz or Niigata your experience of wartime horror was the faceless enemy torching your cities, or even casually parking offshore and shelling the harbor—so much for the Japanese giant ready to sink the USN and seize San Francisco

        think of how Himmler himself describes the human annihilation he had ordered: “To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person”; every single thing the Nazis did required two or three layers of euphemism, “night and fog,” “enhanced interrogation,” “dispatching,” “taskforce,” “protective detention,” “solution,” “executive measures,” “root out,” “resettlement”

        and naturally our own slaughter’s been masked with “national security,” “essential sealanes,” “energy security,” “counterinsurgency,” “counterterrorism,” countering “active measures,” “unconventional vs. conventional warfare,” “subversion”

        it ironically all comes FROM our defeat of the totalitarians—WE were the ones who’d freed the camps and let the inmates have their way with the SS, WE were the ones who’d created the first weapon designed to end war, WE were the ones who told France and Britain to drop their colonies, and WE’D kept our word while Stalin, randomly and out of the blue, stabbed *everyone* in the back and stole Eastern Europe bit by bit, then China and Korea and Guatemala and Cuba! America would NEVER be the bad guy!

        we got taken over by a clandestine group that honestly believed all of that, but which thought the war against totalitarianism and it’s cats’-paws was too important to be left to the fickle public that’d never seen war or the leaky media, which advocated nuclear first strikes, which sided with traffickers and terrorists more out of enthusiasm than pragmatism

        funny how nobody says we have to unleash the physical force against them Before It’s Too Late, or that minor Portlandia scuffles are the only thing keeping us from the roundups and transit camps and eventually the chimneys: maybe it’s because hawks/neocons didn’t use any snazzy logo when they took over our country 1947?

        Greece, Italy, Syria, Iran, Laos, Guyana, Guatemala, Lebanon, Cuba, the Congo, Indonesia, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Bolivia, Chile, Bangladesh, East Timor, Chad, Afghanistan, Angola, Mozambique, the Philippines, Turkey, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, Russia, Georgia, Honduras, Libya, and Ukraine—we definitely killed more than 10,000,000 there; the famous 12-15M isn’t out of plausibility—directly, greenlighting political genocides, starting forewarned civil wars, the usual famine and disease, economic policies that starved people for faroff investments

        now imagine a country that all did this that has no peace movement: how many anti-RUSSIA! protests have we seen vs. anti-Yemen War ones? I applaud the direct actions at airports or ICE facilities, as long as they’re clear and part of a bigger move, but there’s a reason bourgeois German townsfolk who hadn’t done anything were forced into their Sunday best to smell the stench of cisterns filled with putrid shit-smeared bodies

        it’ll never happen

        people will be skeptical of interventionism until some black-swan event like 9/11 or RUSSIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA gives the hawks new lease on life and they’ll totter onwards; nobody will nuke us, we won’t fall apart like the USSR, no Germanic hordes will crown themselves dux and rex, we’ll shoot climate refugees at the border, sink boats, annex Canada, all so nobody can do unto us what we reserve the right to do unto literally anyone else

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