Newsweek publishes opinion evidencing the divisivness of identity politics

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    • #455572
      Sorbish
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      I don’t like identity politics because it so easily falls into divisive jealousies, setting up intramural competition for attention in the parties/coalitions it infects and destroying vote building which is sort of what building coalitions of like-minded voters is all about.

      In this particular narrative the problem is stated pretty clearly: the trouble is with “white liberals”, and the problem is that “white liberals” have allowed ‘their’ agendas with regard to discrimination against women, LGBT individuals and immigrants to compete for attention with the grievance of discrimination against blacks. Which is pretty much exactly what I, and others, have lamented is a typical way-station on the path of destruction of shared purpose and the generation of intra-party rivalry, the endpoint of which is division and minimization of influence of political groups that can cooperate and act as larger coalitions of the whole.

      The telling quote from the opinion piece authored by Pamela Denise Long, who identifies as a trainer and consultant for implementing trauma-informed care and anti-racism to wit: “The truth is, white liberals have for the last 30 years used Black American civil rights wins to advance their own agendas. They’ve implemented destructive criminal justice laws and incomplete education paradigms. They have conflated discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender with the horror of anti-Black racism. They have prioritized immigrants and those they presume are legitimate refugees at our expense, distributing redress and now possibly even Reparations to those who knowingly broke U.S. immigration laws.”

      https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-black-america-break-democratic-party-opinion-1649223

      History doesn't repeat. We just make the same old mistakes in new contexts.

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    • #455592
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      is omitted from the article like it is omitted from the Democratic Party.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

      • #455595
        Ohio Barbarian
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        If economic class is ignored, any societal or political analysis is malarkey.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #455635
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          but I see so many similarities between a movie I just saw about Jesse James (The Long Riders) and the Ahmaud Arbery trial in Brunswick Georgia.  imdb link to Long Riders  I keep thinking that nothing has really changed in 160 years of American history.  James/Younger were essentially continuing to fight the Civil War – the north as represented by the Pinkertons who I don’t think really cared about the James/Younger murders or victims as much as the crime was hurting  business (railroad-banking) interests.  That fighting against the system ethos that made James/Younger martyrs to so many in Missouri characterizes the defense of the McMichaels and how (to some they are put on a pedestal)….in both cases the targets are AAs and others  but the causes are economic despair.    In a similar vein, I recently watched another film from 1980, Breaker Morant, a critically acclaimed film from Australia about how, in the Boer War the title character (+) was exploited as a scapegoat to cover up and further empire’s interests…The film lets on a couple of interesting points- subtly or not – how the Australian soldiers fighting for Britain chose the military as a career due to financial hardship, how the Boer War at the end of the day was about British control of SA’s gold and diamonds….And finally, I found it most interesting that it was apparently the Scots that were utilized to man the official firing squads.    just sayin’

          The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

          It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

      • #455797
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        I swear the DNC/DCCC loves idpol because they see us all as demographics. We are just customers to be retained with lots of jargon and almost no real benefits.

        A good data modeler lets the data pic the segments. In other words, you let the data tell you what the segments should be and you are looking for the ones which are most distinct, eg the “best predictors”. Bad data modeling forces the answers into predetermined boxes and this fosters and revives false correlations.

        Idpol is by design a way to avoid class issues. Idpol assumes that the goal is only how to speak to different identity groups and what lies they want to hear. They won’t ask data modelers how to speak about class because they have no intention of mentioning it. Their obsession with white suburban moms was dubbed “the Panera Bread strategy”, aka the Whole Foods strategy and those are the areas they won in Virginia. Kamala fits that strategy because her Scottish and Tamil heritage is plenty “black” enough for the white surbanites the DNC is interested in. She’s all Panera Bread and no beef; a non-threatening POC who champions elitism.

        https://jacobinmag.com/2021/01/suburban-voters-middle-class-democrats-biden-trump

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        • #455856
          Populist Prole
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          Idpol is by design a way to avoid class issues. Idpol assumes that the goal is only how to speak to different identity groups and what lies they want to hear. They won’t ask data modelers how to speak about class because they have no intention of mentioning it. Their obsession with white suburban moms was dubbed “the Panera Bread strategy”, aka the Whole Foods strategy and those are the areas they won in Virginia. Kamala fits that strategy because her Scottish and Tamil heritage is plenty “black” enough for the white surbanites the DNC is interested in. She’s all Panera Bread and no beef; a non-threatening POC who champions elitism.

          Perfect! Most concise dissertation on this subject I’ve seen.

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