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    • #311512
      Bernin4U
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      https://mobile.twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1256985528454582272

      Shit’s getting a whole lot more interesting (even if I don’t know how to post tweets).

      Sign the petition to draft Jesse #Ventura2020
      https://peopleforjesse.com/

      Write him in for the WA primary
      https://greenpartywashington.org/2020/05/29/gpwa-ballot-for-presidential-nominee-and-state-officers/

    • #311518
      David the Gnome
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      Now there is someone I would vote for.

    • #311525
      Red Cloud
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      I wonder if this is connected to the Populist Party from long time ago.

      • #311529
        Bernin4U
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        …instead of joining Bernie 2020, because he knew they would screw him once again. So he started this movement for a 3rd party instead.

        At this point, I really think Ventura has the potential (and experience) to create the biggest upset for 2020. So I really hope he and the Greens and Nina and the Peoples can all join forces and do some incredible destruction to tptb. They would not see it coming.

        Also I will not rule out Tulsi from being part of this mix. Ventura reminds me of her more than anyone, and I think she could bring a lot.

        Sign the petition to draft Jesse #Ventura2020
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        Write him in for the WA primary
        https://greenpartywashington.org/2020/05/29/gpwa-ballot-for-presidential-nominee-and-state-officers/

    • #311527
      leftcoast mountains
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      vote for nobody

    • #311531
      Betty Karlson
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      But maybe she’ll keep her powder dry until after the Ventura presidency?

      So many unknowns.

       

    • #311534
      RufusTFirefly
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      Why not just join the Green Party or another existing party?

      – More than a hundred years of social science show that when progress stalls, it takes new parties and movements to shake things up and win.

      – Left parties have existed for several decades in Europe but it wasn’t until a new generation of left parties came about in the last five years that they broke through.

      – The same thing happened in US history. Abolitionist parties had existed for many years before the Republican Party, but it took that new party to finally break through.

      – It might seem intuitive to think that small parties that have been around for decades could grow and be more successful, but the social science indicates that it takes fresh new parties to captivate public imagination and succeed. New parties innovate and inspire a sense of possibility. They also come about at the right political moment, when the public is ready for a mass break with the establishment.

      -Historically, longstanding small left parties serve the role of inspiring and paving the way for new larger break-through parties.

      -MPP’s mission is different from existing third parties. We’re building a coalition of unions, progressive organizations, community groups, and others that together can launch a major new party that represents working people.

      • #311540
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I’m sure Nina will push like hell to get the People’s Party on the ballot everywhere, but there’s no way it can be on the ballot in many states this November.


        @rufustfirefly
        I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer or say this isn’t the right thing for Nina to do–I’m delighted my former state senator officially Demexited with an oomph!–but they won’t be on the ballot this year, that’s all.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #311542
          RufusTFirefly
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          @ohiobarbarian

          They are obviously playing the long game. Of course, for all we know, the country could be rubble and ash by 2022. Or we could all be in jail. (Check out Roger Waters’ backhand compliment about Matt Taibbi on that front.)

          And even though I’ve voted Green the last two presidential elections (and probably will again this year), the Green Party – dog bless ’em – are starting to give me a Harold Stassen-like vibe.

          • #311543
            Cold Mountain Trail
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            “backhand compliment about Matt Taibbi on that front”

            — what’s that about, @rufustfirefly ?

          • #311999
            Ohio Barbarian
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            @rufustfirefly She also said she could see them either eclipsing or taking over the Greens real quick with Nina involved. Like you, she and I see the Greens as kind of clubby, and they hardly ever run local candidates. At least, we haven’t seen more than one or two on the ballot in both Colorado and Ohio, and neither of us have ever had a Green canvasser come to our door.

            Even their website isn’t very impressive and never has been.

            Nina Turner understands the need for direct action, and she isn’t afraid to make suburban liberals uncomfortable or angry. She knows the only way to get real change is to mobilize the working class into a movement powerful enough to make demands. If the Greens eventually joined with her she would welcome them.

            Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and never will.–Frederick Douglass

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #311541
        Bernin4U
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        The Greens were some crusty old group of hippies that can’t excite anyone. Like trying to make Oldsmobile a hot brand.

        Then suddenly Ventura announced he’s considering, and if anything would run as a Green. What?!?!?! That’s the kind of H-bomb that brands just can’t buy. It’s also why I wanted to run my little thought experiment here to get people’s take on him. The consensus is clearly that having a big, well-known personality far outweighs the (if minor enough) policy shortcomings.

        He has the potential to really go far, and he’s actually a lot more progressive than anyone would have guessed. So now I just hope we can all combine forces and not compete!

        Sign the petition to draft Jesse #Ventura2020
        https://peopleforjesse.com/

        Write him in for the WA primary
        https://greenpartywashington.org/2020/05/29/gpwa-ballot-for-presidential-nominee-and-state-officers/

      • #311556
        a little weird
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        I admit I don’t know the rules for European parties or even for the historical US examples, but I was under the impression that the ballot-access rules that provide a hurdle to third parties in today’s US system are a fairly recent invention.  So what has worked for other places and times might not hold true now.

        In any case, I’m certainly on board with Nina Turner if she runs or Ventura if he runs.  Not sure what to do if they both run…my heart is with Turner but my head tells me Ventura has a better shot right now.

        • #311570
          The Red Menace
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          Basically it means that if your party has been around for decades with no electoral successes, then it’s not going to ever be taken seriously. You need “breakout” power, to appear om hte scene and shake things up as fast as you can… or you’ll get stuck and languish.

        • #311582
          Jim Lane
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          In 2016, the Green Party was on the ballot in 44 states and the District of Columbia, able to compete for 480 electoral votes.  The Libertarian Party was on the ballot everywhere.  The problem for these minor parties was that most people didn’t vote for them.  (Share of popular vote: Libertarian 3.28%, Green 1.07%)

          This year, it’s quite possible that both of these parties will lose ground in terms of ballot access, because the unusual situation of the pandemic makes it harder to petition in the states where that’s necessary.  That’s just a one-time issue, though.  Presumably, in 2024 the Libertarians and the Greens will be back to having very wide ballot access.

          For another minor party just starting out, of course, the task will be harder.  A new minor party on the left will face the additional obstacle of the existing Green Party.  If the DemExit bloc is divided between the People’s Party and the Green Party, then each of those parties will find it harder to gather the petition signatures or the votes for governor in 2022 or whatever else is required for ballot status in a particular state.

      • #311584
        Jim Lane
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        @rufustfirefly

        I must say, however, that their response to the question seems a bit thin.  Essentially it says “We’re new and different and that’s why we’ll succeed.”  The MPP doesn’t identify any specific policy areas where it disagrees with the Greens.  It doesn’t point to anything it would do differently in candidate selection or other internal procedural issues.

        The closest it comes to drawing a distinction is: “MPP’s mission is different from existing third parties. We’re building a coalition of unions, progressive organizations, community groups, and others….”  What, you mean in 20+ years it’s never occurred to anyone in the Green Party to try to get support from unions, progressive organizations, community groups, and others?  That’s not plausible.  As low as my opinion of the Green Party is, even I don’t think they’re complete imbeciles.  They’ve presumably been trying to build coalitions.  Whatever problems they’ve had would be likely to affect the People’s Party as well.

    • #311544
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      if nina’s joined, i’d bet the party will go somewhere.  she’s a go-getter, & she understands the system, i think.

    • #311546
      MackMarkstein
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      Anybody who didn’t see what the DNC is, in 2016, has seen it in 2020.

      Bernie was a crowd magnet and no doubt vote magnet, if the voters had been registered and votes counted.

      One thing Nina is gonna need is election protection lawyers, when getting in any race against Dems or Rethugs in almost any state.

      Anyway populism is real, and if Bernie is gonna drop the mantle, the main thing we need is someone to pick it up (who has lawyers).  Nina has a lot of the rest of the stuff to be a progressive leader, from what I know.   Also Jesse is a good wakeup call for the DNC and all others who would demoralize us and rob us of our votes and ideas.  Since most likely, Nina and Jesse didn’t choreograph any moves to third parties today, I hope they can work together for the people and against the billionaires who had the chutzpah to put up Trump and Biden.  However I’m sure somewhere in a socially distanced smoke-filled room their minions are strategizing about how to divide the Nina people from the Jesse people.

      • #311672
        carrotguy
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        they have a lot of work cut out for them.   considering that the republican party is essentially the party for wealth and aristocracy, caught in the past breaking into DNC headquarters then more recently subverting the DNC and economic health of the country.    let’s just say i hope they consider operational security when deciding who to trust.   bernie’s campaign made a few questionable decisions and my natural paranoia leads me to think it was compromised

         

        edit- in practical terms they will be branded enemies of the state

        • #312000
          Ohio Barbarian
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          @carrotguy Except the Blue Team sheepherders, of course.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #312103
            Jim Lane
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            Is it your view that the term “Blue Team sheepherder” can fairly and accurately be used to describe every single person who advocates a vote for the Democratic nominee in the 2020 presidential election?

            To me, the term has a connotation that no one could advocate such a vote based on reasoning about the issues, and that everyone who votes that way is doing so because of an inability to overcome some sort of programming.

            Looking in the other direction, there are probably a few people on various social media who urge a vote for the Green Party but who do so insincerely.  They’re really Trump supporters.  That there are some such people, however, wouldn’t justify the tendency of some Democrats to dismiss all such posts.  My own guess is that the overwhelming majority of Green Party supporters, including all of those on JPR, have considered the pros and cons and have simply come to a conclusion that’s different from mine.  I disagree with them but I don’t feel a need for personal disparagement.

    • #311975
      eridani
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      eom

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    • #312128
      Snort McDork
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      @eridani

      So if Nina or Jesse starts campaigning around the country, they should try to get as much TV exposure as possible. Then get your mug in YT videos on the issues and perhaps turned off voters will see the alternative. The college voters will definitely see you and hopefully it should steamroll from there. Actually, if you’re gaining steam in public, TV will get curious and cover you. But I think Jesse could do better than Nina because he’s been around longer. Both he and Nina could stir up the pot if they would just get out there. But this is all based on the “long game”–not just for this Nov. And for crying out F’ing loud, by all means, do not give your voter support list to anyone. Build it up for the party-not the scummy DNC assholes. And a good point @mackmarkstein on Bernie being a voter magnet. Nina or Jesse could probably do the same thing: draw crowds of near 10K without breaking a sweat. I just feel they could do it. Especially Nina.

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