NO MORE EXCUSES For Democrats–“Don’t Let Them SPIN Some Narrative That They Can’t Get This or That Done”

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    • #392378
      Segami
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    • #392381
      djean111
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      That would be beneath them, making excuses to the peasants.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #392390
      ThouArtThat
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      @segami

      Hi segami,

      Best not raise false expectations given how Biden/Harris promised their donors nothing will change.

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      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

      • #392405
        Segami
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        …..I’ve have my fill of ‘Hope & Change’………at the same time, I believe its most important to circulate such info out into the discussion ether.

         

         

        Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

        • #392411
          ThouArtThat
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          @segami

          Hi segami,

          Sorry – was not criticizing – only emphasizing that Biden/Harris will not lead us to Valhalla.

          Sorry for any confusion.

          TAT

          “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
          - John F. Kennedy

          "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
          - George Orwell

          "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
          - Jiddu Krishnamurti

          "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
          - Idries Shah

          "A riot is the language of the unheard."
          - Martin Luther King

          • #392428
            Segami
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            I didn’t read your words as criticism at all….

             

            As for Biden & Kamala….we need to SLAM them both down the moment they begin hemming & hawing spewing more of their bullshit that they can’t get certain things done…… In my eyes, BOTH Biden (Matel Toy) and Kamala (The Giggler) have ZERO business being in the People’s House…….but, regardless… we arrived here because of the same political lies, theater, methods and shenanigans because the back room gangsters continue to keep their thumb on the scales…….

            Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

          • #392430
            Ohio Barbarian
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            You have to die in battle with a weapon in your hand to gain admittance to that particular hall in Asgard. Somehow, I just don’t see meeting either one of those two poltroons there.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #392395
      Jim Lane
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      If the Republicans operate in their usual lockstep naysaying, then anything Manchin doesn’t like has 51 votes against it.

      In the House, the Democrats have a little bit of a margin to work with, but not much.  A handful of defections can kill a bill that has the overwhelming support of the Democratic caucus.

      You can dismiss this as an excuse if you believe that mathematics can be overcome by ideological fervor.

      • #392435
        Ohio Barbarian
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        The truth is most of them agree with Manchin on most things, which just goes to show how disgusting they are. Don’t worry, though, they only have to blame their own for two years.

        Assuming there are midterm elections, the Republicans will gain control of both houses of Congress then, and the Democrats can go back to blaming the voters.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #392463
          Jim Lane
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          @ohiobarbarian

          You write of the Democrats:

          The truth is most of them agree with Manchin on most things….

          Yes, most of them (well, actually, all of them) agreed with Manchin on opposing Trump’s big tax cuts for the rich, they all agreed with Manchin on rejecting the Republican health care plan (touted as “Repeal and replace” but there was no replacement so it amounted to “Repeal and go fuck yourselves”), they all agreed with Manchin on voting to remove Trump from office when he was impeached, etc.

          I’m sorry that you find such policy positions disgusting.  I personally agree with Manchin on every one of those votes, but of course JPR is open to a range of conflicting opinions.

          On health care, by the way, the Democratic caucus in each chamber is badly split.  There is significant support for Medicare for All and significant opposition to it.  The good news is that both factions united in keeping the ACA in place while the debate went forward.  (The Senate vote was 49-51, with all the Democrats, including Manchin, opposing repeal.  If Manchin had switched, to create a 50-50 tie, Pence would have voted in favor, and millions of people would have found their access to health care greatly reduced or eliminated.  And if you insist on pointing out yet again that the ACA isn’t perfect, please do address the practical effects: If Manchin had voted Aye, then millions of real people, including me, would have found our access to health care greatly reduced or eliminated.)

          • #392513
            Ohio Barbarian
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            What matters is the Democrats are never at fault for anything, according to the Democrats. They always do their best, they always come up short, and it’s never their fault. They learn nothing and forget nothing. They are never responsible for anything, and they respond with baseless strawman arguments just like the one you made, and attempt to change the subject.

            Like teenagers.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

            • #392583
              Jim Lane
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              @ohiobarbarian

              Yes, your post is a strawman response, given that I have never said that the Democrats are never at fault for anything.  In fact, in this very thread, I criticized the DNC.

              As for changing the subject, the subject of this thread, as I understand it, is the assertion that “the Democrats”  have no excuse not to pass whatever bill they want.  My disagreement with that assertion is highlighted by my use of the scare quotes.  There is no unitary “the Democrats” that can act as a single decisionmaker (or that can have an excuse for not acting).  There are disagreements within the Democratic caucus.  I singled out Manchin as the Senator most likely to be a wrench in the wheels of progress.  A climate-change bill that is supported by 47 Democrats, 2 independents, and Vice President Harris will not become law if Manchin says Nay (unless some Republican supports it).

              I also agree with @stockholmer that the filibuster will remain as an obstacle.  IIRC both Manchin and Feinstein have publicly opposed its abolition, and there are probably others.  Within the Democratic caucus, abolishing the filibuster might have majority support, might even have overwhelming support, but in a 50-50 Senate it’s not going to happen.

              • #392588
                Ohio Barbarian
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                No, they’re not unified in policy or in theory, but they are frequently unified when it comes to action or inaction. I don’t care what they say, only what they do. Right now, there is not a single elected representative in Washington who represents me and those who think like I do. Not one. That includes the so-called progressive Democrats.

                The truth is that I don’t think there will be meaningful reform from the electoral process, and if there’s less than 1 million American dead by the time all is said in done, that we will have been lucky.

                Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.–Mao

                That’s where we are headed, and all this partisan bullshit is just that–bullshit.

                It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

                You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #392506
          ColorsoftheRainbow
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          @OhioBarbarian,

          I recently wrote about my “Early” prediction for the midterm elections of 2022. (I focus on the U.S. House flipping Republican.)

          Link:

          https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/early-election-2022-prediction/#post-385690

          Joe Biden and his fellow corporate Democrats will make sure that happens.

      • #392445
        closeupready
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        So just putting that out there… @jimlane

        The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

        • #392458
          Jim Lane
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          @closeupready

          Perhaps you can dumb it down for me?

          Some countries have several viable parties.  (A notable example is Israel.  None of the members of the Knesset are elected from single-member districts with plurality elections, a structure that tends to produce two major parties.)  In the United States, however, almost all elections are won by either the Republican or the Democrat.

          The result is that each major party covers a very wide swath of the ideological spectrum.  As AOC has said, in many other countries she and Manchin wouldn’t be in the same party.

          That doesn’t mean, however, that there is a Uniparty, i.e., no significant differences between the parties.  It’s a commonplace that partisan polarization has greatly increased.  For example, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the support of many Republicans (the Rockefeller Republican types from the North) and over the opposition of many Democrats (the white supremacists from the South).

          That kind of breakdown is inconceivable today.  If you chart all the Senators and Representatives along the left-right spectrum, there is almost no overlap between the parties.  Manchin will sometimes vote with the Republicans (voted to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh but against Barrett), and Romney cast the lone GOP vote to remove Trump from office, but most important votes are split almost entirely along party lines.  For example, Manchin, arguably the most conservative Democrat in the Senate, joined all the other Democrats in voting against Trump’s big tax giveaway to the rich.

          As for the DNC, its default approach to the divisions within the party is to support Democratic incumbents and discourage primary challengers.  I personally think that’s a mistake.  Still, it doesn’t change the basic partisan alignment I just described.  Even the conservative Democrats whom the DNC supports are to the left of the right-wing nutjobs who have taken over the Republican Party.

      • #392454
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        Filibuster will crush most all as well. Even if the Dummicrats had 55-45 majority, there are enough Dummicrat Senators against ending it to block it. (at least 6 or 7, maybe more as to get to 55 that would have meant many noobs would have won v the Rethugs in 2020 and many of the loser noobs were against ending the filibuster as well)

         

        Same (even more are against it, possibly 10) goes for SCOTUS expansion. Dead in the water, even at 55-45, 56-44.

        The Dummicrats are full of no-spine cunts.

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      Charles
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