No one knows the future. Therefore, there is no point in giving up.

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    • #8529
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Here we are in January, 2019, and predictions and prognostications about what is going to happen in the elections next year are already flying, often dictated by different individuals’ feelings about one politician or the other, or one political party or the other.

      Personally, I find them misplaced and somewhat annoying for one simple reason: None of us, not you, not me, not any talking head, not any of the Very Important People who have been wrong so many times before, has any real idea of what exactly is going to happen to the Trump presidency this year or the Democratic primaries next year.

      I see declarations that it is carved in stone–I picked that one because I never believed God carved the Ten Commandments in stone, so I’m certainly not going to believe any human poster–that no progressive will be allowed to get the Democratic nomination. No one knows that, period.

      When I see people saying it is hopeless to vote in the Democratic primary for a progressive or for progressives to attempt any takeover of that party, I have to ask: Then what is your brilliant plan for the next two years? And I will make a prediction of my own–they have no constructive suggestions whatsoever except to sit around and say we are all doomed. Speaking only for myself, if I felt that way, I’d either suicide or take up firebombing. No thanks.

      I see declarations that people will vote Green or vote for Trump in November 2020 because the future is set. I see people say they love Bernie, but will not vote for him if he runs as a Democrat. WTF? Is the party label more important to you than the policies advocated by the candidate? If so, you are no better than the party partisans on Democratic Underground or Free Republic.

      There are predictions that Robert Mueller will come up with nothing. There are other predictions that he will come up with something so damaging that even Republicans will desert Trump. The fact is none of us know what Mueller’s report will contain, so I just don’t see much point in saying that we do. If you’re wrong, you’ll look very silly.

      We don’t know what will happen. All I do know is that right now, Bernie Sanders is the clear frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. He has the money and the abilitiy to raise more very quickly. He has the organization. He has the name recognition. Most importantly, he has the policy positions that are the most popular with the American electorate according to every poll of ordinary people on the subject.

      He is, in short, the frontrunner until someone knocks him off, if they can. That may happen. It may not. I don’t know, and neither do you. Based on that, I think the best we can do is to at least try to elect all of the progressives to office that we can. If anyone has a better idea, I’d love to hear it.

      Meanwhile, I will just channel my great to the 7th or so grandfather, a French Canadian who commanded one of George Washington’s artillery batteries, and stay the course. He was told his cause was a lost one as well, and helped to prove the naysayers wrong. What you do is up to you, of course, but if you’re just going to say we’re all doomed, don’t be surprised if others disagree with you and don’t get too upset when they do.

      I’ll close with a quote from a reprehensible imperialist, but the old bastard was right sometimes: Never give up. Never give up. Never give up.–Winston Churchill

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #8561
      djean111
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      blue, it will eventually get better.   I will vote for Bernie in the primary, even though the DNC cooks those books and is proud about it.  What I will not do is vote for a corporate candidate for president.  I will not.  If that is giving up, then so be it.

      • #8579
        Ohio Barbarian
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        happen to Donald Trump in the meantime. I said try to elect progressives, which is a completely different thing from saying Vote Blue No Matter Who, which is usually followed by a temper tantrum if you don’t and shaming people who really believe as you do if you do. Oh, hell no.

        I was sick of that s h i t back in 1996, when I first voted for Ralph Nader. And I haven’t changed.

        Nope. Just saying to vote for progressives whenever you can, and that means voting for Bernie or the one or two other potential candidates who can be considered progressive when and where you can. Sometimes the place to do that is in the Democratic primary, and some states make you register as a Democrat months in advance in order to vote in it.

        That’s a huge pile of oligarchical horse manure, and the practice should be banned, but some of us are stuck with it. Doesn’t mean you can’t vote and maybe make a difference, though. None of this means, nor did I imply, that anyone should vote for some damned Republican or Vichy Democrat in the general election.

        Both choices are unacceptable to me, so I’m not about to ask anyone else to take either one.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #8647
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      could change the imagined outcome.  ive certainly done that in my personal life, and its a good thing to know that we dont know I believe.

      I just had a big personal setback and am again looking at the idea of becoming homeless.  but I know if I keep thinking of that as likely it will drive me to despair and give up, so thanks for the reminder.  I had a few such reminders today, which I take as the universe talking to me.

    • #8652
      sonofspy777
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      ( the torpedoes were Mines in the ocean)

       

      Full Speed Ahead!!

      https://i.postimg.cc/fRtr5xB5/Bernie-2020-JPR.jpg

      “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
      ~Samuel Clemens

      • #8664
        Ohio Barbarian
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        No hay huevos, no hay gloria. Especially in historical transition points, or what the Chinese call “interesting times.” There is no doubt in my mind that we live in such times. These are the times to go for it.

        My Viking DNA sings.  

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #8672
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      what can or cannot be done, and the thoughts in their heads close off all the possibilities in the world and the universe.  Our thoughts are just thoughts that go by like clouds, but if we take them for certainties and give them free rein, they can easily turn into certainties because theyre all we can see.

      e.g. “People are selfish”  “Black people are lazy”  “I can’t get up before noon”  “The world is going to end so I may as well go wilding” etc.

       

       

      • #8782
        Ohio Barbarian
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        bohemian-style escapist journey that eventually led to me being so broke I felt my only option for survival was joining the Navy. I made bad decision after bad decision in those years. The Navy gave me enough stability that, after I got out, I was able to slowly climb up the socioeconomic ladder to eventually be able to get a steady job and obtain permanent housing.

        Zen Buddhism helped by teaching me how illusory thoughts and preconceptions can be.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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