Noam Chomsky says he hopes Biden will win.

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    HassleCat
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    Chomsky is on the TV program Democracy Now. He makes it clear that “neoliberal policies” are inadequate to address the important issues, and he thinks Biden is not enthusiastic about progressive proposals. Even so, he thinks Biden can be pushed in the right direction if progressives can work up some momentum. In other words, Biden is weak, but can be pushed in the right direction. I think Chomsky may be overlooking the fact that Biden is weak and be pushed in the wrong direction just as easily. A weak endorsement, but an endorsement nonetheless.

    On edit: Many comments here maintain Trump and Biden would be equally unsympathetic to progressive ideas. Chomsky says that is incorrect. He says his experience shows him a neoliberal centrist will be better for progressives than a conservative Republican. Chomsky is particularly opposed to Trump, who he says is very dangerous. I think Chomsky may be half right in that Biden would blunt some right wing efforts to wreck government. I’m still not sure that is sufficient reason to vote for Biden.

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    Joe Biden is 78. He’s been a right wing corporatist warmongering, bankster shilling, neoliberal his entire adult life. Certainly his entire political life. He would be unlikely to change his ways, even if his brain were fully functional. Even less so in his current state of mind.

    To be fair, Bernie – at roughly the same age –  would also be just as unlikely to change his ways…. but there was nothing wrong with his ways to begin with, so that’s OK.

    Noam’s up there in years himself, so I would think he would understand this. Usually I would agree with him, but my long term observations of mortal human history tell me otherwise, in this case.

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    Charles
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    But ya, fuck Trump….

    Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

  • #301551

    NJCher
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    I still can’t bring myself to vote for him.

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    jbnw
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    How can you push a President in the right direction or hold their feet to the fire if they doesn’t want to be pushed? They have been given massive amounts of power of the last decades – and we see an example of it in the White House now.

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    can be pushed in another direction.

    If you are going to vote for someone ANY-FUCKING-WAY, that “feet to the fire” thing is ridiculous and delusional  and a lie.  Pelosi & Co. would just smile or whatever you call her facial expression, and proceed with their working with the GOP and enacting their neocon neoliberal agenda because the Democratic Party “has a clear mandate”.

    Anyone who asks, or thinks they can order me, to vote for a Democrat who is not Bernie can fuck off.

    Nope. If Bernie is not on the ballot, Green it is.

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    gordyfl
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    That doesn’t surprise me. In Chomsky’s book Global Discontents he railed against voting third party in the 2016 election in swing states. He preferred people in those states take up activism.

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    under that logic shouldn’t we vote for Trump and then push him leftwards?

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      @mistap Very well said! The odds of progressives somehow pushing Biden to the left on policy are at least as great as pushing Trump in the same direction. There is no point in even trying.

      Like so many others, Chomsky needs to recognize that the neoliberal Democrats are every bit as much our enemies, and his for that matter, as neocon Republicans.

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    Biden isn’t promising anything but a return to the Obama status quo. There will still be millions of uninsured and underinsured people trying to navigate corporate “healthcare.” There will be co-pays, deductibles, and unaffordable premiums. College students and their families will continue to incur big debt. Shitty jobs will still pay shitty wages. The planet will continue to rapidly die. Immigrants will continue to be treated as criminals. The military budget will continue to sap the national treasure. Millions of homeless will lie on the sidewalk. And somehow all of this is acceptable and not even worth fighting against. Fuck it.  Vote Biden? Never.

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      The days of Obama are looking pretty good to many people. Biden will get a lot of support simply by promising to go back to the condition that existed under Obama. Chomsky thinks Biden can be stimulated to go even further. He is probably correct to a small degree. Biden might chip away at student loan debt, lower the Medicare age five years. etc. These things would be heralded as Major Progressive Achievements, and most people would see them that way because they would be a stark contrast to what we have now.

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    ColorsoftheRainbow
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    Noam Chomsky is a Democrat.

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