NOT Indicting Trump For Obstruction of Justice Will Make Future Special Counsel Investigations an Inept and “Pointless” Action

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    • #379637
      Segami
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      “…If You Are Not Going to Hold a President Accountable for a Special Counsel Investigation Obstruction, Then There’s NO REASON to Actually Have a Special Counsel in the Future…”

       

      Mueller prosecutor explains why Biden will be forced to indict Trump whether he wants to or not

       

       

       

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      When President Barack Obama came into office, he wanted to “move on” from the previous administration’s scandals and ultimately ignored President George W. Bush’s administration’s use of torture on prisoners of war taken during the Iraq and Afghanistan battles. President-elect Joe Biden has privately told campaign allies that he doesn’t want to spend his entire administration dealing with the crimes of President Donald Trump. But with things reaching such an egregious level of lawlessness, he may have no choice. Former senior prosecutor for special counsel Robert Mueller, Andrew Weissmann, explained to MSNBC’s Ali Velshi that Trump’s situation is very different from any other president in history.

       

      “We’re going to be, as of January 20th, 2021, in the situation where we no longer are talking about indicting the president but, rather, a former president, somebody who is a civilian,” Weissmann explained. “And the question’s going to be: Does the rule of law apply to that person? And it’s very hard to see an argument if it is shown, for instance, that in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office that the president has committed tens of millions of dollars of tax fraud or bank fraud or both. Any other person would normally be prosecuted, then it really shouldn’t be the case that just because he becomes president, that he shouldn’t have the day in court where a jury decides whether or not he committed those crimes prior to becoming president.”

       

      As for his conduct during the Mueller investigation, Weissmann explained that not prosecuting Trump for the ten examples of obstruction of justice would essentially make all special counsel investigations in the future pointless. “You have to remember in the Mueller report, there is substantial evidence that the president obstructed justice, in other words, obstructed the special counsel investigation,” he continued. “And to me, that’s even more important to vindicate. If you are not going to hold a president accountable for a special counsel investigation obstruction, then there’s no reason to actually have a special counsel in the future. In other words, the precedent that you’re setting in the future is don’t bother appointing a special counsel because there isn’t going to be any accountability to a president who obstructs that investigation.”

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      Trump, like every other American, deserves his day in court and deserves an opportunity to be vindicated by a jury of his peers. Biden could appoint a special counsel, he could delegate any Trump charges to district prosecutors, and have nothing to do with any of Trump’s impending legal troubles. Trump will be facing a number of suits when he leaves office on the state level and civil level, even without any Biden Justice Department indictments. If it happens early enough in his presidency, Biden has an option to get it out of the way, and all of the suits can meld into each other in the public’s mind. Given that Biden was elected by many Americans voting against Trump, he could be hurting any reelection chances by ignoring the president’s lawlessness.

       

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      https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/mueller-prosecutor-explains-why-biden-will-have-to-indict-trump-whether-he-wants-to-or-not/

       

       

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    • #379640
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Special counsel investigations have been worthless since at least Ken Starr’s investigation of the Clintons.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #379644
        Segami
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        …..the messaging here should be that Biden’s actions is destroying and making future ‘Special Counsels’ pointless……Biden should be held accountable for trying to ‘move on’ when “egregious levels of lawlessness and obstruction of justice” by Trump have been deemed by a Special Counsel. If Biden doesn’t act to indict Trump, he should be accused and held responsible for making future Special Counsel appointments “pointless” (even though it already is). It doesn’t matter who adopted the same ‘move on’ position before him, Biden should now become the poster child goat who’s responsible for trying to destroy the credibility of the Special Counsel (shhhh, even though it’s already destroyed)…….Nobody should let Biden’s decision to ‘move on’ off the hook like we did with Obama and Pelosi…….this time, Biden should be dragged through the mud for trying to employ that same maneuver on the public……

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        • #379650
          Ohio Barbarian
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          You? Me? Forgive my cynicism, but I just don’t see the point in letting myself get angry over this. Bad for my hypertension and all. I’ve given up on elections having much of an impact, and am far more worried about the dark winter ahead.

          There was a line of cars over two miles long waiting for a church food pantry in Willoughby, a working and middle class suburb, just the other day. People are facing evictions and hunger. I can’t bring myself to care what happens to Donald Trump.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #379649
        Hamlet
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        when the “investigation” turned out to be an evidence-free conspiracy theory?

        Someone (the DNC) should be charged with creating a fake investigation

    • #379641
      N2Doc
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      They say that like it is a bad thing….. (sarcasm)

       

      Why wouldn’t Biden want special prosecutors to be toothless? He will probably be facing one after 2022 when the re-ubs take back the house….

    • #379664
      MistaP
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      isn’t even a misdemeanor

    • #379669
      Fasttense
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      The Attorney General should. The AG of the US should do it without Biden looking over his shoulder. The AG is suppose to be independent. The position isn’t there to cover up for the president. The position is suppose to look out for American law and order. I think we have drifted away from the purpose of the office.

      Yeah, the new president investigating the previous president looks bad. But the AG investigating him is how it is suppose to work.

      The bottom line is congress has abdicated their responsibility to hold the president accountable to the law. So, they create all sorts of special counsels and investigators to hide behind.

      It started with Ford giving Nixon a pardon and it has only gotten worse. In the meantime, the filthy rich keep pushing to make a dictator like president….because it is so much easier to corrupt one man’s than 50 or hundreds.

      We need to get back to making the president an executive and Not a king.

    • #379863
      3fingerbrown
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      If they go after him it better be about something other than the Russiagate hoax or they will look even dumber than they did the the first two times. Just ask Mueller how it went for those 24 Russians that initially got charged by his office, where after their lawyers challenged the “evidence” in American courts, all charges eventually and quietly dropped on a Friday, without media comment, over 3 years after the hoax started.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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      jerry611
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      Like it was said, if they try to go forward with the Russiagate stuff or the Ukraine stuff it will go nowhere, and may also open a can a worms that perhaps Biden himself won’t want opened. Ask any Ukrainian and they will flat out tell you how corrupt their country is. It’s not a secret. I don’t know what Hunter was doing over there, but Biden probably doesn’t want those dealings out in the open either. If he goes full throttle in prosecuting Trump, what do you think the GOP is going to do if they take the House in 2022?

      The SDNY would have to investigate Trump after he leaves office and find something else with his personal finances or taxes or something.

      This is the problem you run into when you trade one corrupt politician for another. It’s a vicious circle.

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