'Nothing Could Be Done': Trump Lawyer Argues President Could Shoot Someone on 5th Avenue and Avoid Consequences While in Office

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  • #197000

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    Lawyers for President Donald Trump Wednesday argued in a Manhattan courtroom that were the president to shoot someone on 5th Avenue in New York City, he could not be prosecuted while in office because of presidential immunity.

    “Trump’s lawyers openly declared that Trump is above all laws, including murder,” tweeted Rep. Bill Pascrale (D-N.J.) in response to the news.

    The exchange came during a hearing on the president’s tax returns, which Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance Jr. is attempting to obtain to see if Trump illegally paid to silence people with damaging information to his presidential campaign in 2016. Judge Denny Chin used Trump shooting someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue—an invocation of a Trump brag on the campaign trail in 2016—as an example of the limits of presidential immunity from prosecution.

    But Trump lawyer William S. Consovoy told the court that, in fact, the president would escape prosecution as long as he were in office.

    Chin: What’s your view on the Fifth Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?

    Consovoy: Once the president is removed from office, any local authority, this is not a permanent immunity.

    Chin: Well I’m talking about while in office.

    Consovoy: No.

    Chin: Nothing could be done? That’s your position?

    Consovoy: That is correct.

    The D.A.’s office was not amused, according to The Washington Post:

    Carey Dunne, general counsel from the Manhattan District Attorney’s office, told the court “there is no such thing as presidential immunity for tax returns” and “they’re making this up.”

    “[President Trump] may view them as embarrassing or sensitive but tax returns do in fact get subpoenaed all the time in financial investigations,” Dunne said.

    Legally, Vox‘s Ian Millhiser pointed out, Consovoy’s assertion is incorrect:

    To be clear, Consovoy is not correct about the law. As the Supreme Court explained in Clinton v. Jones (1997), “it is settled law that the separation-of-powers doctrine does not bar every exercise of jurisdiction over the President of the United States. Moreover, the Court added that “we have never suggested that the President, or any other official, has an immunity that extends beyond the scope of any action taken in an official capacity.”Thus, because murdering people on Fifth Avenue is not part of the president’s official duties, Trump’s immunity argument would likely fail. Similarly, because the financial information sought by prosecutors also does not relate to Trump’s official duties, Trump’s claim of immunity in Vance is weak.

    A number of observers expressed concern that the president believes he is above the law, whatever the legal reality.

    “This is not a joke,” said journalist Judd Legum. “This is real life.”

  • #197009

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    I want to see that walking POS in an orange jumpsuit with manacles and leg shackles.

    I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

  • #197015

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    Well it ain’t up to this POS ‘Lawyer’

  • #197016

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    At least Bozo The Clown had more sense and better hair.

  • #197026

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    I really think Trump should just go ahead and do it, so we can see for certain. (I’ll leave it up to your imagination who I wouldn’t mind seeing him shoot)

  • #197030

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    Fake NEWS! What a blowhard.

    The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right!

    We do what we can, what we must and we hope for the best while expecting nothing.~ Me

  • #197085

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    On the other hand – someone could shoot Trump on 5th Avenue, and the world would break out in celebration…

    • #197100

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      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

    • #197723

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      True.  He is the most universally despised creature on the planet.

      Promote Freedom From Religion, and Separation of Church and State.

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  • #197462

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    Two things: First, Brazil just did it the “right” way – and wound up with a President in prison and a monster in control of the government. And as for “shooting someone on 5th Avenue” Obama killed a 16 year old boy, and just to prove his point he killed the boy’s 8 year old sister. And he beat Hillary in an election too.

    Nixon tried to use the IRS to attack political opponents because they disagreed with him. Now people are saying “We lost an election! Sic the DA on him!!!” That’s what impeachment is for, but we don’t want to bother with that. We’re not Americans, we’re 3rd world vindictive fascists fighting over who gets to be dictator.

    • #197580

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      >We’re not Americans, we’re 3rd world vindictive fascists fighting over who gets to be dictator.

      America kinda sucked the way it was set from the beginning, maybe all peoples now living on Turtle Island could become Turtle Islanders again…

      Aloha!

  • #197578

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    OP goofing around with Trump’s “I’m bigger than Jesus” comment about loyalty of his supporters.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/

    Aloha!

    • #198356

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      I love the dry wit in this part:  “…because murdering people on Fifth Avenue is not part of the president’s official duties,…” (emphasis added).  LOL!

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

  • #197936

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    This is what Trump truly believes and demands from his staff. It’s also what most of his supporters believe. None of them believe in democracy or the rule of law. They want a monarchy and hereditary aristocracy and a return to the Divine Right of Kings.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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    • #198357

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      Naah.  Nothing so upperclassy as a monarchy.  They want a fascist dictatorship.

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

  • #197949

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    Not to worry.  He’s already grooming Pence to pardon him if his lawyer is wrong.

    Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

  • #198353

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    None other than the current NYC Mayor and a high-ranking NYPD official beg to differ with Cheetolini’s “lawyer.”

    See, https://patch.com/new-york/queens/s/gw25m/trump-would-get-jail-time-for-fifth-ave-shooting-patch-pm?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_term=around-town&utm_campaign=alert

    Trump Would Get Jail Time For Fifth Ave Shooting

    NEW YORK — He might give up his freedom even if he didn’t lose any voters. NYPD cops would put President Donald Trump in handcuffs if he tested his lawyer’s theory that he could freely shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, city officials said Thursday.

    “I don’t care if it’s the president of the United States or anybody else — you shoot someone, you get arrested,” Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio said at an unrelated news conference. “We would arrest him.”

    One of the NYPD’s highest-ranking officials concurred. “We would,” First Deputy Commissioner Benjamin Tucker said.

    The officials were responding to Trump lawyer William S. Consovoy’s claim that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted or even investigated for a criminal act while in office — even one as bold as opening fire on Fifth Avenue.

     

    I feel much better since I gave up hope.

    "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

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