Obama Endorses Biden, will most likely make overtures to the Left

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    • #303129
      xyzse
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      Unfortunately, as much as I looked at Obama with a jaundiced eye back in 2008, to the point that I actually preferred Hillary over him.  He did WORSE than my most unfavorable predictions.

      When it comes to the so called Democratic Party “Values” or “Principles” he not just failed Miserably, he Normalized and Furthered what George W. Bush has done.  All the while, chiding any one who did not go along.  It is ONLY on the WORST Corporate Issues did Obama actually fight.  It was never for the Hope and Change that people wanted.

      So when the time comes and Obama speaks in the tones of FDR, we know it for a lie.

      I say this over and over again, but Democrats will talk a lot of issues and what should be happening, ONLY when they can’t do anything about it.  Once they do, they do exactly what the Republicans are doing any way.  Of course, while saying “We Can’t Do Any Better, Be THANKFUL YOU’RE EVEN GETTING THESE CRUMBS!”.

      Let me break it down and provide a few examples.

      Economy and Jobs = He ran on an “Economy That Works for Everyone” but he presided on one of the largest transfer of wealth from Workers to Banks.

      1. The Bailout, bailed out Banks without any conditions, which allowed them to consolidate, making them even BIGGER.  So the idea of “Too Big to Fail” and the problems that came with it, became larger, and got punted for the future.
      2. The Economy only worked for the rich.  Jobs never came back, but instead people were forced in to a gig-economy.  Many juggling multiple jobs just to be able to survive.
      3. Wealth from Middle-Class which is tied to their houses disappeared due to very Predatory Lending, and the crash.
      4. By bailing out the Banks, they did not have any sort of incentive to help out the mortgages of the average consumer.
      5. By bailing out the Banks who cannibalized the smaller banks, they then hurt small businesses who now can’t get any loans, who were the ones that were supposed to be creating the jobs.
      6. Well paying and meaningful jobs were not made, since the focus was at the top, rather than small-to-mid-size businesses which were set to expand and fuel the greater economy.
      7. Speculative trading is still the norm.
      8. He did not allow the Bush-Tax-Cuts to expire.  Citing a small concession from the GOP about feeding the children, to make them permanent.  This is Unforgivable

      Education = He cited making College more affordable and his great idea was to just fund the “No Child Left Behind” act from George Bush to supposedly “Make it Better”.

      1. He expanded the Charter School Program which cannibalized the funding for Public Education
      2. He also expanded the frequent testing, which is tied to funding for schools.  This is wrong, since money spent for Education is then given to these testing industries, rather than actually funding the school systems.
      3. Current situation with Education, with lack of teacher pay and so forth did not improve from Bush to Obama to Trump.  The fact that Teachers still have to work another job to pay for their mortgages, or to even help in school supplies is ludicrous.
      4. College affordability has not changed, and College debt is still the only debt that is not forgiven.  The fact is even Trump already implemented a 0% interest rate for now, with a 2 month suspension on their loans. There are methods to make this better, and it was not taken.
      5. K-12 is as usual not considered, and what’s the point of talking about college now when even this is failing?

      Environment = He touted himself as an Environmentalist President when his actions are far from it:

      1. He expanded Offshore-Drilling and Fracking
      2. He only talked about DAPL when the issue was over and he can’t do anything about it
      3. He Watered-Down the Paris Accords by ensuring that there is no penalties for not reaching the goals, at least for countries like the US.  (Yes, that is what he did when he went there.)  Effectively making the Paris Accords a way to pressure 2nd-to-3rd world countries to do what we want, and raid their resources which is provided to multi-nationals.

      HealthCare = Passed the ACA which was a Program designed by the Heritage Foundation to ensure profits for the Insurance Industry and the Corporations that now own Hospitals

      1. ACA had no cost controls
      2. ACA created far more Administrative Costs which balloons the out-of-pocket expenses.
      3. Many Doctors now had to go to Co-Ops which are owned by larger corporations, so that THEY can handle Administrative Costs
      4. Co-Ops owned by larger Corporations are most concerned about Profits, and will code people as out-of-network, even if the Doctor was in Network but did it at another time coded for another department.  Confusing things that allow them to balloon costs, and put people under debt.
      5. It led to now which has Insurance that Pays for Nothing.  Since people have to get insurance otherwise get a tax liability.

      Immigration = Did you know Obama and Hillary were for a Wall to Mexico?  Even if Politifact says it’s half-true, it is true, just that some of the exaggerations about the particulars were of course not true and dumb speculation.

      1. Obama did more deportations than Bush did on his tenure.
      2. It was Obama who created the infrastructure of holding areas for these migrants.  Which is why many of the pictures of children separated from their parents, was actually during Obama’s Presidency.
      3. Legal Immigration is still broken, with many of those who try to follow the law becoming unable to keep with it due to various changes, lost mailing and inconsistent application of the law.  While of course, bringing the focus on Border Crossings instead.

      National Security/Defense Spending/Wars = Obama campaigned on being Anti-War, Less Surveillance, etc.,

      1. I will include the War on Drugs on this one, which actually wrecked Mexico, making that country far more dangerous now than it was back in the 90’s.
      2. Expanded the Wars
      3. Promoted Drone Bombing which allowed us to drone countries back to the stone-age with little oversight
      4. Kept the Patriot Act’s wire surveillance if not expanding it
      5. Suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus on January 2009 for detainees

      Basically, many of what Trump is doing are not because Trump suddenly pushed for it.  It’s because it was already there, we’re just now paying attention.  Please note, many of the Progressive Social advancements we got during Obama was won through the courts, and NOT because of him.  They were due to ballot measures that pressed for change, rather than actual legislation.  Sometimes, that is where the fight is.

      So here’s the key-point to this whole thing.  The Democratic Establishment preferred Trump to Sanders, since if Trump won, nothing changes for them.  They will still not be in power, and the status quo remains, business as usual.  If Sanders were to win, then there is a probability of change.  That the items he has been pushing for will come forth, and they will not get the Corporate Donors that they want money out of.

      Because it is not actually just Donors and Money.  It is the whole group.  A politician does something for someone, they provide their families and friends cushy jobs within the companies.  That is where influence peddling actually is.  It is legal bribes, since the bribe is actually like Hunter Biden.  He gets placed in high paying jobs which he has no actual responsibilities.  This is the same with Chelsea Clinton, being provided a disgusting salary for consultancy.  That is where the money is, and not just donations to their campaigns.

      Had Bernie won, there would have been a change from that.  There would have been a disruption on that swamp.

      They didn’t want that, so we got an addled Biden, which they machinated to get.

      Now here’s the rub.  If Trump won, nothing changes for me or any one here either.  Democrats will still not be in Power, things continue as they are, but at LEAST we see people complaining about Governmental Excesses that the media will not be mentioning otherwise if say Hillary or Biden was in power.  Also, if I don’t vote for Biden, I don’t have to defend them for the crap they do when they are in power.

      I’m not voting Biden.  I will be either voting Green or writing in 3rd Party.  That is the only two choices I have.

      Ballot Measures are Very Important, and some of the most Progressive Advancements are found in those votes.  So VOTE!

    • #303141
      mmonk
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      Nothing about that seems negative  at all in my mind.

      Fear not the path of Truth for the lack of People walking on it. - RFK

    • #303158
      Populist Prole
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      Like THAT hasn’t been tried before. So what’s it now, FOUR dimensional chess?

    • #303160
      Red Cloud
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      Some mighty powerful words there!  All Mr. O had to do was sit spineless Hairy Read down in his office and tell him, ” We got both branches. Go with 51 vote majority to pass Nancy’s deluge of bills. Stop crying about Mitch. He wants to make me a one-term President. Now get back to the Senate, make the rules where 51 votes gets ‘er done”.

      Because that never happened, they did not care about getting much done.

      • #303377
        xyzse
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        @redcloud Thank you, and you’re absolutely right.

        Guy went to the middle immediately, giving the Republicans everything they wanted already, at a starting point, which only made them move to the Crazy Right.

        We have Trump because that guy did not push for a Worker’s agenda.  We have Trump, because he moved so far in the middle, it made the Right who hated his guts, move all the way to Crazy territory.

        Now that’s where we all are, and that’s where the Democrats are now.  They don’t even realize it.

    • #303201
      djean111
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      Should be on the front page.  IMO.

    • #303232
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Bernie obviously thought he couldn’t do that in the Democratic primary, and he forgot his own advice from the 1990s when he said that no real change would come about through either major party. Regardless, his effort, and ours, failed. It is time to find another path, and we must never forget how Obama betrayed us and continues to try to bamboozle us with his flam and flim.

      Great OP. Recommended for the Daily Radical. @deadpool

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      • #303379
        xyzse
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        @ohiobarbarian

        Unfortunately, there will be a lot who will be swayed by N’Obama.  Those who still can’t look at his record objectively, and pretty much forgive everything just because of who he is.

        THAT is the definition of a CULT.  They are the ones who are stuck with the cult of Obama, who can’t see all that he has put on us.

        I dare any one of them to try to debunk or gainsay what I have mentioned at the OP, every single one of those have happened.  Some I have even understated.

        To the point that they would basically say “But think about the Supremes!”  He tried to get Merrick Garland, he didn’t even try to go for someone further than that.  He already went for mid-ground.  It amazes me how weak and ineffectual he was.  Unfortunately, I don’t actually believe that any more, since the guy fights, and only fights when it helps his moneyed interests.  He was weak by design.

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          @xyzse Perfect description. I remember when I learned he was not weak. He had seemingly caved to Republican demands for years, or thrown his hands up in the air and said “We didn’t have the votes. What more could we do?,” to which my response was always “Fight, you craven!”

          Then Obama wanted to intervene in Syria. Even when it was clear that Congress, under immense popular pressure, was not going to authorize an invasion of Syria like Obama wanted, he fought. For the first time, he really used the bully pulpit, gave televised addresses, and did everything he could to get his war. When he couldn’t get the votes, he found a way to intervene in Syria anyway.

          That was when I learned what Obama truly was. I already despised him by then; I just didn’t know that I hadn’t been despising him enough.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #305285
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          He was weak by design.

          I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

          Me

    • #303257
      Deadpool
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      Zopilote
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      Thank you for that.

    • #303270
      Betty Karlson
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      That was not a point well made. That was all of the points well made.

      • #303383
        xyzse
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        @bettykarlson

        Thanks, when the effective difference between Trump and Biden on the issues are “Trump says things so nastily, he makes politics look bad”, they lost me.

        They fund his Defense Spending budget far more than what even the man-baby asks for.

        If they really want me to vote for Biden, they have to prove to me that there is an effective difference between them other than the rhetoric.  I guess their actual campaign is “Trump is Mean” Boo-hoo, he shouldn’t be the face of politics.

        Since they never really go after him on the issues, especially the ones that I just stated, other than token leftward swings that mean nothing once they get in power.  If they had credibility fine, but they don’t have it.

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      bazukhov
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      Which part of “the Left” will he make overtures to?

      Saying “The Left” is like saying “The Philosophy”, “The People”, “The Machine”, “The Soup”, or “The Key”.

      “the Left” is full of different factions.  Sometimes they get together for a common cause which overrides the disagreements, sometimes they don’t.

      Politics-as-usual.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #303534
      xyzse
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      It is Politics as Usual.

      That is not good enough, especially since many know it to be a lie.

      Just “Overtures” no action.

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      doh1304
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    • #304856
      L0oniX
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      …Obama is endorsing Chumpy boy …because Uncle Joe ain’t got a chance in Tanganyika.

      Fuck the DNC and its heard of goats

    • #304875
      mindpilot
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      I’m so done with the vote-shaming. Somehow not voting for A, means a vote for B even though I actually voted for C. Votes are not quantum. They have only one state, and that is “yes” for the candidate you voted FOR. Nor is voting for someone who can’t possibly win, “throwing it away”.

      I recall that night in 2008, wife and I driving to Vegas for SEMA, flying along the 15 at about 110 in the Mustang, and at about 8:10 they called it for Obama. We were literally cheering and clapping, bouncing up and down in our seats.

      Then the next day he appointed Rahm Emmanuel as his COS. And kind of never stopped disappointing.

      I actually held my nose real hard and voted for Her. In my mind Trump is too stupid to live let alone be president, and he has a ick-factor that just repels me.

      That election ultimately wasn’t about Him or Her, it was about the policies and rhetoric they brought with them. This election cycle is no different.

      As I see it, it comes down to 3 choices:

      1) Vote for Trump–at least he is the enemy we know, and–as Betty Karlson points out, will keep the big issues (M4A, UBI, failed capitalism, etc.) in the fore.

      2) Vote for Biden–will likely lose to Trump anyway unless enough of his supporters commit suicide by virus. Here’s a guy trying to win over Bernie supporters by being against everything Bernie is for. Confidence is not inspired. As xyzse says, we are being fed bullshit again and the taste is still familiar from last time.

      3) Vote Green–enough votes will eventually put a 3rd party on the national stage, and maybe, just maybe, get the M$M to quite playing the DNC’s ID politics game and actually look at policy.

      I’m on board with number 3; I believe my vote would be cast for something positive and I’m good with that even if Trump gets another four. (My worst fear is that Trump and Pence both drop from the ‘Rona and we get President Pelosi.)

      Slavery was the legal fiction that people can be property.
      Corporatism is the legal fiction that property can be people.

      "If you believe in god, I'm probably smarter than you." -- Tom Leykis

    • #305286
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      Kicked and recommended to the max!    

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

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