Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court

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    • #329956
      ravensong
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      In a filing with the Supreme Court, the Trump administration has reaffirmed its position that the Affordable Care Act in its entirety is illegal because Congress eliminated the individual tax penalty for failing to purchase medical insurance.

      Solicitor General Noel Francisco, the government’s chief advocate before the Supreme Court, said in a brief that the other provisions of Obamacare are impossible to separate from the individual mandate and that “it necessarily follows that the rest of the ACA must also fall.”

      Shortly after the brief appeared on the court’s docket late Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a statement: “President Trump and the Republicans’ campaign to rip away the protections and benefits of the Affordable Care Act in the middle of the coronavirus crisis is an act of unfathomable cruelty.”

      The case before the high court began with a lawsuit brought by 20 states, led by Texas, calling for the elimination of the ACA. It has been consolidated for argument with another case brought by 17 states, led by California, seeking to preserve the law. The court is likely to hear the case in the fall.

      https://www.npr.org/2020/06/26/883819835/obamacare-must-fall-trump-administration-tells-supreme-court

      Trump, and Republicans, are unfathomably cruel, piss poor excuses for human beings.  The lot of them are a national, no, a universal, shameful disgrace.  These evil, rotten to the core fascists set the bar so low, they make the New Democrats look like a choir full of angels.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

    • #329958
      djean111
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      They also have no interest in providing health care, just in generating profits from it.

    • #329961
      retired liberal
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      And replacing it with Single Payer, Universal Health care.
      We must get rid of he parasitic, so-called health insurance companies. They are part of the problem in controlling this epidemic.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

      • #329964
        ravensong
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        ruled to eliminate Obamacare tomorrow, and have millions of poor, sick people lose their insurance?

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

    • #329968
      jwirr
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      Ok, what is left if Obamacare is overthrown. Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Indian Health, etc. all are now part of Obamacare. If they end then there is no health care for anyone anymore?

      jwirr

      • #329976
        ravensong
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        or Trump gets it eliminated, and millions upon millions of people suffer horrible consequences, physically, mentally, emotionally, and economically.

        I’m totally for replacing Obamacare with Medicare For All, right this instant, but unless a miracle occurs, that just isn’t going to happen.  I hate private insurance companies with a burning passion.  But until we can wrest control of the government from wealthy private interests, we’re going to have to do whatever it takes to protect ourselves, our social safety nets, and our planet, from the forces of fascism.

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

    • #329981
      David the Gnome
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      One of his campaign promises was to eliminate the ACA.  The problem?  He hasn’t got a damn clue about what to replace it with, if anything.  It is basically saying: fuck you, buy private insurance, or get it through your employer, or go bankrupt when you get the bill.

      I might be okay – given my disability status – but I know millions won’t be.  I am not crazy about the ACA, I think it was poorly named, terrible legislation that did too much to help insurance companies and too little to help citizens.  The individual mandate was also, simply put, not constitutional.  That said – for millions of us it is better than nothing.  Particularly the Medicaid expansion and coverage in spite of pre existing conditions.

      This will be a real test of the new, mostly conservative Supreme Court.  Will they fuck millions of Americans?  Hard to say.  If they do, well… I suspect there will be a lot of riots.

    • #330003
      HalfCentury Man
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      If Obama’s legacy was the gold plating of all the confederate statues, they would strip them claiming it was an improper use of our gold reserve.

      It is, and always has been, the tip of the systemic racist spear.

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

      John F. Kennedy: 13 March 1962.

    • #330013
      ThouArtThat
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      @ravensong

      Hi rs,

      What good is the ACA if the best it can provide is high cost, low benefit plans and services?  The reality is that Obama did not fight for either single payer or M4All because he sold out to the insurance industry.  Hanging our collective hats on reform of the ACA will lead to lifetimes of frustration since any change will be so slow it won’t matter to those needing affordable healthcare.  In effect, no ACA is equivalent to ACA because the poor and indigent still won’t be covered.

      TAT

      PS – I have no healthcare coverage because it is not affordable.  Hoping I survive to Medicare eligibility age.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "In a Time of Universal Deceit - Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act."
      - George Orwell

      "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
      Rather than truth as the authority."
      - Gerald Massey

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    • #330084
      Scott Crowder
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      Suffering but it will be the impetus for the movement to get single payer done.

      Of course, Biden will block it.

      We cant afford to nominate him.  It would be best if he passed away before naming his running mate, clearing the way for Bernie.

      #BernieOrVest

    • #330087
      Captain Arizona
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      They will not have died in vain. we will get medicare for all and those republicans who vote against it should be tried for murder. I know good look with joe biden doing it. Maybe his vice president stacy abrams if we party leftys put pressure on him to pick her.

      • #330090
        Satan
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        She’s a Neera Tanden puppet. And Neera Tanden ranks just behind Debbie Scatterbrained-Lush & Hillary herself as one of the most hostile, anti-democratic forces within the so-called “Democratic” party.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #331560
      ravensong
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      as you.  Obamacare is a rotten, stinking placebo for a genuine nationalized public healthcare system.  But Medicaid expansion under Obamacare helps millions of the most economically disadvantaged people in the US, and Obamacare has made it illegal for private insurance companies to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

      Are you willing to cause millions of other folks to suffer, because you are not in a situation where Obamacare helps you?

      What improvements to the US healthcare system do you think Trump and Republicans are planning to enact in the future, if they succeed in eliminating Obamacare?

      What do you see as the real world, positive, constructive consequences of immediately eliminating Obamacare?

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

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