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Home Main Forums General Discussion Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals

  • caliny (2850 posts)
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    Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals

    Progressive Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday defended what could accrue to a $40 trillion price tag for progressive policy programs, including Medicare for all, over the next 10 years, citing the success in some European countries that have similarly developed health care models.

    CNN “State of the Union” anchor Jake Tapper asked where that estimated $40 trillion — which would include the costs for Medicare for all, jobs guarantees, student loan forgiveness, free college programs, paid family leave, and Social Security expansion — would come from. Medicare for all would be the costliest initiative, coming in at about $32 trillion, according to the Mercatus Center, a free market-oriented think tank at George Mason University, as well as an earlier study by the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center.

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    “Medicare for all would save the American people a very large amount of money,” she said. “What we see as well is that these systems are not just pie in the sky. Many of them are accomplished by every modern, civilized democracy in the Western world,” she said. “The United Kingdom has a form of single-payer health care — Canada, France, Germany. What we need to realize that these investments are better and they are good for our future.”

     

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-40-trillion-cnntv/index.html

     

     

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  • cascadiance (3773 posts)
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    1. That is what we need to get back from the trillions that the 1% of the 1%…

    … at the top have bought politicians to steal from us for the last few decades in terms of the nation’s wealth.  Our salaries and wealth have been collectively robbed by them with bills like our recent tax bill that are far more costly to the 99% of us, which NEED TO BE TAKEN BACK FOR US!!!!

    Now the corporate and elite owned and serving press can amplify the “cost of these programs”, but they continue to be PAID to ignore that this is payment BACK to us for what has been $tOLEN from us for so long!

    Edit…  Watch the stream of videos on this story, and it really shows how they use their EDITORIAL AND PAID FOR opinions to shape these stories, and how damn corrupt our corporate owned media have become.  I’ve ignored CNN and other corporate media for years now, and this stream of CRAP really illustrates why I and many have done the right thing by ignoring this corporate propaganda any more!

    Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
  • HassleCat (3342 posts)

    2. How can we afford d healthcare? Not possible.

    We need that big wall, the space force, voter ID cards, immigrant detention centers, and much more cool stuff.

  • N2Doc (8219 posts)
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    3. The deliberate lies continue

    “Medicare for all would be the costliest initiative, coming in at about $32 trillion, ”  We ALREADY are paying more than this to the fucking private Heath Vulture Industry. It isn’t a new cost, it is one we ALREADY pay. Asshole.

    "But nothing ever changes unless there's some pain" - Tears For Fears "Goodnight Song"
  • Major Hogwash (4684 posts)
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    4. How much would Medicare for all save the American people in 10 years?

    I’d rather hear about the savings than the cost of the program.

     

    Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
  • TRex (5247 posts)
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    5. Funny how the PTB care about the price tag of the nations health

    yet demand we print more money for bombs and bullets…without a care in the world.

    Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • cascadiance (3773 posts)
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      7. The ads for this corporate drivel also tell a big story…

      … on who pays to push this propaganda $HIT on to us too and who gets served by stealing our wealth from us that they are afraid of having to give back with proposals of what folks like Alexandria and Bernie have proposed.

      Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
  • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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    6. Where does the money come from?

    1. Cut the defense budget by at least 50%.
    2. Tax the fuck out of the top 1%, at least as much as Ike did. Bernie’s letting them off light at 50% instead of Ike’s 91%.
    3. End corporate subsidies.
    4. Impose a stock exchange transaction tax.
    5. Bring back the estate tax with a vengeance.
    6. Increase funding for the IRS by $1 billion a year and let them hire some people who will go after these rich fucks.

    Next question?

    Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
    • Deadpool (16665 posts)
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    • jwirr (5128 posts)
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      9. +1

    • cascadiance (3773 posts)
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      10. Great answer…

      … and also they should realize that by shifting the tax burden to the top like Ike and other reasonable presidents did before they were *bought* by the elites, more money in everyone’s hands means more money SPENT in the economy, which means greater tax revenue from those sales, and greater tax revenue collectively when more people have jobs and make more money at the middle and the bottom, instead of that money ONLY going to the top or in corporations where they find ways to stash it untaxed in the Cayman Islands or in their supply chain companies also not taxed here too the way the way corporate sold goods are priced in different ways on their pathway to be sold to us when they are imported from cheap labor sources overseas.  Revamp the trade agreements and do so WITHOUT corporate entities being in total control of the writing of these agreements favoring themselves and the elites at the top, and in the process get rid of the fa$cist undemocratic ISDS court system, etc. that these trade agreements put in place to override our system of justice for all.

      Part of that would be cutting back on the guest worker visas that those who want to immigrate here are forced to go in to as “cheap labor” to replace Americans that cuts back on our wealth and ability to contribute more to our economy.  If instead of being pushed in to visa work, they should encourage more real citizenship immigration, so that those moving here invest themselves in becoming American citizens to work here along with their families, where they have the rights to move to different companies to work, have the right to vote, right to help us build more union power here, etc.  That would ultimately lead to more savings for all of us, and greater wealth for all of us, which translates to more tax revenue ultimately to pay these bills.  Now that might mean greater expenses and salary costs for these corporations, but then perhaps they will realize that they have to STOP overpaying their execs in order to be more successful, instead of continuing finding a way of using corporations as a means of stealing the wealth from all of us to just the elites that control them.  It’s their inflated salaries and wealth that is REALLY the source of our huge debt, not the spending on the welfare of the most of us who live here, that governments supposedly representing the interests of ALL of its citizens should be expected to do.

      Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
      • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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        11. You gave a pretty great answer yourself. Your last point is why I am in favor of

        abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A reasonable immigration policy could be run by what we had before, to accomplish what we once had and should have again. I refer to the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Its very name speaks volumes.

        Then the Coast Guard can go back to the Department of Transportation where it belongs.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
    • Dudester (6 posts)

      12. Kill the SS cap

      Make the richie richs cover Social Security for eternity, and increasing the SS payouts by over 1,500.

       

       

      • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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        14. Thank you! Forgot that one.

        And welcome to JPR.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
  • Robot X (250 posts)

    13. CNN/Jake Tapper can kiss my shiny metal ass.

    They don’t give a flying fuck about the cost of those programs. This is about putting AOC in her place. This is about crushing dissent. This is about protecting the corporate establishment. Trillions upon trillions of hard earned tax payer dollars go missing at the Pentagon. You ever see CNN/Tapper hold any politician’s feet to the fire like he does to Bernie and AOC. Not a chance! No smug, dismissive attitudes then. Only when programs actually help people do these stooges all of sudden cop an attitude.

    Here’s a little thought experiment. How much broadcast time was spent on Anthony Wiener’s dick pics and how much time was spent on the trillions of dollars gone ghost at the Pentagon? How often did CNN demand truthful answers about Anthony Wiener’s dick and how many times did they demand truthful answers about the Pentagon’s missing tax money?

    Corporate news is completely worthless. All their aggressive reporting is reserved for dick pics, pussy grabbing, and who porn stars are fucking. Shit that really matters like grandma cutting her pills in half, the homeless population explosion, and war criminals/profiteers skipping free isn’t even on their radar.