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  • leftcoastmountains (5581 posts)
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    Ocasio-Cortez has got the GOP rattled

    By Ruben Navarrette Jr.

    Updated 2:12 pm CST, Wednesday, December 5, 2018

    Who’s afraid of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

    A whole lot of Republican white men, it seems. I can smell the fear coming from Fox News host Tucker Carlson, radio host Rush Limbaugh, podcaster Ben Shapiro and others. 
     

    Congress has more than enough lawyers. What it could really use is a few more bartenders.

    The latter often have good social skills. They tend to understand customer service. And they’re usually good listeners. It also turns out that some of them have a lot of grit.

    Ocasio-Cortez defied expectations and earned her membership in the club. The 29-year-old Democrat built an upstart campaign from scratch, stared down her party’s establishment without flinching, clobbered by 15 points a Democratic incumbent who had been in office since she was in elementary school, and won her seat in Congress fair and square.

    https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Ocasio-Cortez-has-got-the-GOP-rattled-13442980.php#item-85307-tbla-5

    I like this article from Texas.

     

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    • Ohio Barbarian (13443 posts)
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      1. From the San Antonio Express-News website, no less. That used to be a very

      politically conservative paper; maybe it still is, I don’t know. Great opinion piece regardless. Thanks for posting.

      No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
    • Bernin4U (970 posts)
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      2. So they can’t help but take a dig at white men.

      When are they going to learn that such divisive shit is only holding us back?

      Got a problem with right wing mouthpiece blowhards? Say it. Because they (and the corp interests they represent) may be the enemy, but the vast majority of whites and/or males and/or Repubs certainly are not. They’re in the same boat as we are. Just haven’t been enlightened yet. (Same goes for most Dems.)

    • id-entity (3064 posts)

      3. I find her boring

      but then, I’m old and find all politicians boring. :)

      As a spoke for socialism she’s not very good (well, there is not much competition in that field in US and talent is scarce), she’s not especially well read (even for her young age) and makes too many factual foot-in-the-mouth mistakes which anti-socialist propaganda takes up with glee. She get’s occasional good line in with the con media worship for her and hard to say which way the balance of her contribution goes with the large audience.  Whether she wants and intends to be spoke for socialism doesn’t matter, as the con media puts her in that position, with obvious idea that she makes socialism look bad (because young, bit naive and inexperienced…)

      That’s the reason they air her so much. And ratings. She gets good ratings as guest and brings moe munney to the channel.

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      • Ohio Barbarian (13443 posts)
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        4. I disagree. If anything, she's making the idea of socialism more attractive to

        many Americans, even if she, and they, have different ideas about what socialism is than thou. She strikes me as more of a social democrat than a true socialist, but even that is a radical development in America today.

        No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
        • id-entity (3064 posts)

          5. You don't need socialism

          to convince people that medicare for all would be much much better than what you got, life experience and common sense is enough. Bismarck created basic social security for all and he sure as hell was not a socialist of any kind, not even social democrat.

          And I’m not happy with any spoke who strengthens the false idea that socialism only means more taxes and more central bureaucracy and top down bossing of people. That’s the basic populist RW argument against the strawman image of socialism, and it works swell among the 80%.

          All my experience from discussions with Americans tells me that at large they are much more ready for libertarian socialism (regardless of what you call it) than any form of centralized command economy. But you gotta give practical examples. E.g. turning Fed into (or replacing it with) a co-op bank could be idea that could get lots of support over partisan lines.

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          • Hobbit709 (4954 posts)
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            6. Bismarck's reasoning was "A healthy worker is a productive worker"

            The reasoning of industry today is that we can all be easily replaced.

            I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
            • id-entity (3064 posts)

              8. Commodification of labor…

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          • Ohio Barbarian (13443 posts)
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            9. Um. AOC is most definitely not making the strawman argument.

            Agree with you on the co-op bank stuff. We have and example of that. It’s called the Bank of North Dakota. I think Los Angeles is starting one of those as well.

            No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
            • id-entity (3064 posts)

              10. The RW pundits

              are making the strawman argument. From what I’ve seen AOC etc. demsocs have not been doing very good job at shooting the strawman down. If there was some superduper skilled spoke for socialism available, the RW pundits would not be airing him/her…

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              • Ohio Barbarian (13443 posts)
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                12. Oh. I misunderstood you. Well, all I can say is AOC is doing a better

                job at that than most, not that she can’t improve on it. She can and she should.

                No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                • id-entity (3064 posts)

                  19. Tucker agrees

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      • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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        13. She is scaring the hell out of the white male oligarchy. She might not be the

        best spokesperson but she has their attention.   And she is anything but boring.

        • Rocker (590 posts)

          15. Oh do go on about "the white male oligarchy"

          Sounds exactly like SV.  Do you hate whites?

          FYI: millions of white males support Cortez because of her platform, are they part of “the white male oligarchy” or are they excluded from your sweeping generalization of an entire race of men?

          Also, don’t send me anymore insulting PMs.

          • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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            16. You are really making a stretch to try to insult me, but your

            post doesn’t make the least sense.   How does my description of the oligarchy as being “white males”, translate into me hating all white males?  Maybe I hate just those white males of the oligarchy.              And don’t send me any insulting PMs, either.

    • djean111 (8091 posts)
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      7. Navarrette sees everything through the Latino identity lens.

      His only problem with Hillary was that she did not pay enough attention to Latinos.  Not her policies or deeds or anything concrete like that.  This is what political identity politics has brought us – division, and inattention to issues that affect us ALL.   AOC won’t accomplish much of anything but headlines unless folks like Bernie and other progressives help her, and IMO Pelosi is using her.  But, as always, what actually happens by way of legislation that gets passed is the only thing that matters, not thoughts and opinions and headlines.  And what happened with Obama is, again IMO, just another form of political shell gaming – stirring speeches and then the same old shit, worse somehow because it is more of a betrayal.  I am wary now, and won’t be climbing on to any of the new bandwagons being touted.   When Beto O’Rourke, a member of the New Democrat Coalition (and yes, he belongs there) is being swooned over – personality has taken over, and I will not be participating.  Well played, DNC, though.

      • *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things.  The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek.   Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
      You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
    • disillusioned73 (853 posts)
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      11. Great article..

      Although I think he is being quite generous in letting the so called centirst WOMEN off the hook with this statement;

      “Not bad for a Puerto-Rican kid from Brooklyn. Who could possibly have a beef with that version of the American Dream?

      See above: A whole lot of white Republican men.”

      I think their vitriol is more sinister & coming from within the Dem party, it started during the primary and has yet to cease…

      "Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats." - Bernie Sanders
    • B Calm (1436 posts)

      14. Congress has more than enough lawyers. What it could really use is a few more

      bartenders. Amen!

      “When I was a kid growing up, I think my instincts always were for the underdog.” – Bernie Sanders    
    • peacecorps (6467 posts)
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      17. She is great, not perfect. I won't let 'not perfect' get in the way of 'great'.

      If progressives are going to win the day, we need many more ‘great’ but ‘not perfect’ progressives in congress and the White House.

    • Hobbit709 (4954 posts)
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      18. not just the GOP. the GOP-Lite is worried too.

      I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
      • Betty Karlson (5348 posts)
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        20. The GOP-light is sweating like a devil in church

        “But the hot Hell that always in him burns

        “And tortures him now more, though in Mid-Heav’n,

        “Soon ended his delight, the more he sees

        “of pleasures not for him ordained.”

        "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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      21. What I like is that she is taking some of the flack for Bernie. In 2016

      Bernie had to single handedly take the abuse from the Right Wing, the Oligarch Dems and their media.   He held up amazingly well. But now we have a number of progressives, mostly women, that have stepped forward to take some of the heat.  I expect Sen Warren to also take some of the heat.  You go AOC.