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  • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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    Ohio Pushes Kratom Ban With Disputed Claims About Deaths, Use Trends

    Ohio Pushes Kratom Ban With Disputed Claims About Deaths, Use Trends

    The Ohio Board of Pharmacy voted earlier this month to classify the popular herbal supplement kratom as a Schedule I controlled substance alongside drugs like heroin and other more deadly synthetic opioids.
    To justify the decision, officials have pointed to reports claiming many users in the state are now injecting kratom, a botanical substance that they allege has also killed a number of people in Ohio in recent years.
    Scientists and kratom advocates are now challenging those claims, calling them misleading and even nonsensical.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ohio-kratom-ban_us_5bbe06cee4b0876edaa45ab6

    Nanny state BS

    Edit: The Ohio Board of Pharmacy is accepting public comment on the proposed kratom ban until Oct. 18.

    Aerows, Xyzse, Haikugal and 2 othersGryneos, Enthusiast like this
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  • Ohio Barbarian (11777 posts)
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    1. Nanny state or jeopardizing some Big Pharma profit margin?

    I really don’t know. I’ve never heard of kratom.

    No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
    • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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      2. Use it every day for

      a couple years now. Super coffee for me and kills nerve pain.

      Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
      • Ohio Barbarian (11777 posts)
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        3. Oh! Well, that's hurting the opioid manufacturers, silly.

        Guess I should comment and tell them they’re full of shit. I don’t even have to know what I’m talking about to allege that with most Ohio regulatory boards.

        No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
        • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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          4. Law enforcement

          needs a new MJ now that it’s becoming acceptable. IMHO

          Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
          • Ohio Barbarian (11777 posts)
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            5. That's also possible. And that means the private prison lobby.

            No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
            • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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              6. Yup

              When I say nanny state I use it to mock cons who claim giving health care is nanny state actions. They never seem to mind when the state acts in an authoritarian way though. Pharma is def afraid of Kratom. The whole system rejects competition and new products especially if they grow naturally.

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      • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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        9. Could you tell me the brand and where to get it?

        I’ve tried CBD and it doesn’t help my particular pain much.

          “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
        • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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          15. Hi Purkratom.com

          Yellow vein for pain and energy. It’s cheaper too.

          Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
          • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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            18. Thanks.

            Just ordered.

              “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
    • Entrepreneur (2946 posts)
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      11. Probably. I never heard of it either. But politicians don't do shit except to

      enhance or protect the profits of themselves or other 1% ers.  So I’ll take “What readily accessible supplement threatens the future profits of Big Pharma?” for one billion.

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
  • 99thMonkey (4761 posts)
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    7. Thanks for posting this. Regular user here, for about 2 years. Great stuff.

    “The manufacturing aristocracy which is growing up under our eyes is one of the harshest which ever existed in the world; but at the same time it is one of the most confined and least dangerous. Nevertheless the friends of democracy should keep their eyes anxiously fixed in this direction; for if ever a permanent inequality of conditions and aristocracy again penetrate into the world, it may be predicted that this is the channel by which they will enter.”  ~Alexis De Tocqueville (1835)
    • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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      10. Got a brand and a source?

      Tried CBD with little results.

        “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
    • ctsnowman (1189 posts)
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      16. :-) NT

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  • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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    8. There's a documentary on Netflix

    A Leaf of Faith.

    Gives some good info.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
    • Gryneos (2580 posts)
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      12. If you have the Vice Channel

      I recommend the show “Hamilton’s Pharmacopoeia” and his episode on Kratom. Vice does have a site, but I think you have to get one of the satellite-TV services to be able to view full episodes. The young man who does the show is the son of Errol Morris, the documentary filmmaker. He seems to have learned the art well from his father, plus he has a PhD. in pharmacology :-)

      "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
      • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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        13. Don't have that channel, but I'll keep my eye out for it elsewhere.

          “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
        • Haikugal (7652 posts)
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          14. It’s on youtube

          :hi:

            ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE.
          • NV Wino (8864 posts)
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            17. Cool. Thanks.

              “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
          • Gryneos (2580 posts)
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            20. Well then, there ya go :)

            I haven’t watched every episode he’s done, but I have enjoyed all of them, learning interesting stuff, such as how the days of unfettered chemical experimentation is pretty much over. As in, home-labs large enough to make designer drugs and so forth. It all has to be done in a clandestine manner.

            "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
            • Haikugal (7652 posts)
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              22. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

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              • Gryneos (2580 posts)
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                23. Sure thing :)

                I hope you enjoy his episodes. There’s one even on sensory deprivation tanks. Seems Colorado has many such places, allowing for much longer stays than is typical (most places only allow one hour, which isn’t enough time, in my opinion, and experience.)

                "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
  • retired liberal (2751 posts)
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    19. In 2017 there have been at least 44 deaths arbitrated to Kratom.

    But Kraton is often mixed with other drugs, so there is that.

    My question is, How many deaths are cause by almost the almost unpronounceable names of drugs advertised on TV, where 10 to 15 seconds are used to praise their usefulness, and 45 seconds describing how they can be disabling or cause death by their use.

    Look up Kratom. There is some interesting reading about it.

    No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. Lily Tomlin ::: Society would be much better off if a simple law was passed... That upon a Company/Organization acting unlawfully, the Directors/Executives/Senior Management (and anyone directly involved) shall be held personally liable and upon successful prosecution will face jail time.
    • Gryneos (2580 posts)
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      21. The one thing I find most interesting about it

      is that in a low dose, it’s a stimulant. In a higher dose, it’s a depressant. I don’t know chemistry, and thus, don’t understand the organic mechanics in a dual-role like that. But it is still very interesting that it can do that :)

      "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle