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  • #172834

    Jan Boehmermann
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    Hate me if you will ….. but I must speak the absolute truth!  And please listen!

    Face it, the DNC was already working against him. But Bernie’s health issues have nailed it.

    TULSI!  Our only REAL candidate.

  • #172839

    Pam2
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    Are you a Dr. or do you play one on TV???? If his Dr. says he can continue then he should!

     

  • #172850

    Jan Boehmermann
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    Nope. Not a Doctor.  But I can tell you stents installed are NOT a sign of good health.  And this fact will not be missed by his opponents.

    • #172920

      gordyfl
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      Dick Cheney had 5 heart attacks. The first one at age 37. Numerous surgeries. I wonder why that was never an election issue.

      The past year I have not seen Bernie back down from the corporate giants. That’s why I’m sticking with Bernie.

       

    • #172923

      Segami
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      Jan….

       

      “….Ethan Weiss, a cardiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, said the stent procedure Bernie Sanders underwent typically is “not anything I would get too excited about,” calling it “mostly a nuisance….”

       

      Let them try and we’ll parade out a battery of cardiologist to smother their fat heads and call them out as liars…….

      Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

    • #173199

      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Stent.  If you’re gonna play doctor, ya gotta spell it right.

      Bernie’s in.  You’re in for a surprise.

  • #172852

    beeninthewoods
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    Hey Doc. STENT. With an E.

    I have many friends who have had STENTS put in them. They function much much better after than before. Many friends have had these for decades and are doing great.

  • #172853

    Pam2
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    Nothing is wrong with his brain though, unlike Dementia Joe.

     

    • #172925

      Jan Boehmermann
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      Geritol Joe?

      • #173128

        Stockholmer
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        Groper Joe

  • #172905

    David the Gnome
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    Uhh, are you being sarcastic?  I really hope you are.  Nothing against Tulsi, I like her – but I like Bernie a lot more.

    The fact that the DNC is trying to take down Bernie is ALL THE MORE reason to support him.  He sure as hell isnt out – and his mind is as sound as ever.

  • #172910

    Jan Boehmermann
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    Folks, I’m being realistic.  The DNC was already planning to cheat Bernie out of this one (Warren) …now they’ve got a “health”  reason.

    • #173641

      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Fuck the DNC’s “health” reason, Jan… Bernie’s health issue will not hamper his ability to lead and win.

      Bernie/Tulsi wouldn’t be bad, either.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

  • #172912

    incognito
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    Biden had a brain aneurysm.

    That’s much, much more serious than having stents.

    Bernie will be home this weekend and probably back on the campaign trail by next week. He’s not going anywhere.

    Bernie or Bust for me.

    Tulsi doesn’t support M4A. She chooses to keep Big Insurance GREED in the system. That’s just WRONG.

     

    • #172919

      Jan Boehmermann
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      Biden is gone too!

    • #173104

      Stockholmer
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      https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all

      Tulsi Gabbard on Medicare for All

      Key Points
      Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act and serves on the Medicare for All Caucus
      Tulsi believes that our present healthcare system is organized by and for the benefit of big insurance and pharmaceutical companies and not the American people, which must be changed
      We pay far more in this country on healthcare costs than any other country in the world and get worse results. Far too many Americans in this country are sick and unable to get the care they need.
      Tulsi supports Medicare for all to make sure that every American gets quality healthcare – we must also focus on reducing the cost of healthcare overall, preventive health, bring down cost of prescription drugs by allowing Medicare to negotiate those prices down, and ensure transparency so people know exactly what the cost is and what they’re paying for.
      Tulsi believes that the Affordable Care act was a step in the right direction, but points out that issues remain with the number of uninsured and high costs related to deductibles, copayments for medical services, and prescription drugs
      Legislation
      Tulsi is a co-sponsor of H.R.1384 – Medicare for All Act of 2019, which would provide universal healthcare to all Americans

      H.R.4442 CONNECT for Health Act to promote cost savings and quality care under the Medicare program through the use of telehealth and remote patient monitoring services
      H.R.465 Prescription Drug Price Relief Act of 2019 To significantly lower prescription drug prices for patients in the United States by ending government-granted monopolies for manufacturers who charge drug prices that are higher than the median prices at which the drugs are available in other countries.

      H.R.448 Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide for the negotiation of lower covered part D drug prices on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries
      H.R. 676 – Expanded & Improved Medicare for All Act

      H.R.447 — Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act

  • #172916

    N2Doc
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    Tulsi doesn’t support MEDICARE FOR ALL. She does support the Fascist Modi. Sorry but she is a non starter to me.

    • #172922

      Jan Boehmermann
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      You’ve got a BETTER CHOICE?

      • #172945

        Ohio Barbarian
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        Yes. Bernie Sanders.

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

    • #173106

      Stockholmer
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      https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-medicare-all

       

      Tulsi Gabbard on Medicare for All

      Key Points
      Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act and serves on the Medicare for All Caucus
      Tulsi believes that our present healthcare system is organized by and for the benefit of big insurance and pharmaceutical companies and not the American people, which must be changed
      We pay far more in this country on healthcare costs than any other country in the world and get worse results. Far too many Americans in this country are sick and unable to get the care they need.
      Tulsi supports Medicare for all to make sure that every American gets quality healthcare – we must also focus on reducing the cost of healthcare overall, preventive health, bring down cost of prescription drugs by allowing Medicare to negotiate those prices down, and ensure transparency so people know exactly what the cost is and what they’re paying for.
      Tulsi believes that the Affordable Care act was a step in the right direction, but points out that issues remain with the number of uninsured and high costs related to deductibles, copayments for medical services, and prescription drugs
      Legislation
      Tulsi is a co-sponsor of H.R.1384 – Medicare for All Act of 2019, which would provide universal healthcare to all Americans

      H.R.4442 CONNECT for Health Act to promote cost savings and quality care under the Medicare program through the use of telehealth and remote patient monitoring services
      H.R.465 Prescription Drug Price Relief Act of 2019 To significantly lower prescription drug prices for patients in the United States by ending government-granted monopolies for manufacturers who charge drug prices that are higher than the median prices at which the drugs are available in other countries.

      H.R.448 Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide for the negotiation of lower covered part D drug prices on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries
      H.R. 676 – Expanded & Improved Medicare for All Act

      H.R.447 — Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act

      • #173113

        incognito
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        She’s now Medicare “Choice”…if you have health insurance through a Union or employer and you want to keep it, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE TO KEEP IT.

        That keeps the Corrupt Big Insurance’s claws in our healthcare system and we can’t have TRUE Single Payer having those vultures still involved in the system. It won’t work. It must be EVERYONE/ALL in the system.

        Tulsi has changed her tune on M4A. So has Harris. So has Warren.

        Bernie is the only one who still advocates for it.

        • #173131

          Stockholmer
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          Ah, I just saw that, lolol

          what a scam she ran

          I give Bernie points for never selling out

          shame you system is so corrupt you will never be able to rip out the profit motive in healthcare

          at least not for decades

          the tentacles are too embedded

          but still, it doesn’t hurt to try as at least that starts the discussion on the left and not in the centre

          • #173485

            incognito
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            @stockholmer

            Yes, our healthcare system has to be one of the worst in the world and that isn’t hyperbole. It’s as bad as it can get.

            It really sucks that Tulsi jumped the shark on M4A. She could still be Bernie’s VP though. :) Or at least a member of his cabinet.

             

          • #173542

            djean111
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            @stockholmer

            We can no longer base our support solely on bills co-signed or authored or whatever,  or on campaign blather in speeches or on websites.    Co-sponsoring bills can now be callously cosmetic – “See???!!  I co-sponsored one of Bernie’s bills!!!!!  That means, Bernie supporters, I am Just Like Bernie!!!! ”    Co-sponsoring a bill that you KNOW will never get to the floor is easy.  Especially if you have assured your owners/big contributors that you have a public face/private face (tm Hillary).

            Gabbard also wants to eliminate the per-country cap on H-1B visas and allow Green Card holders to pay $2500 to get their citizenship sooner than those who cannot pay that.  Added sweetener – the money would go to build Trump’s Wall.  Sounds like satire, but nope.  On her way to join Hillary as the bestest senator for/from India.   This is where I get accused of being racist, as if I would be just fine with this if only the country was, say, Denmark, instead of India.  That accusation does help in weeding out the bullshitters, though!

            Also part of the reason for a shortage of STEM graduates here (oh, and also total bullshit that the folks from India are smarter – I used to work with them.  Just like Americans, some smart, some not, some really stupid.)  Part of the reason for that is the high cost of college, the onerous debt, and the general shittiness of much of our public schools.  Forgiving debt and free community college is just a start on fixing that, giving all the jobs to other countries on a continuing basis is decidedly not.

            I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

            Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

            • #173708

              Ohio Barbarian
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              @djean111 +100

              We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

              With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #172917

    game meat
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    Well, he has aftermarket parts now. This can also be viewed as an upgrade!

    Also, he is now technically a cyborg: a stronger, more resilient Robo-Sanders.

    I mean, this somehow manages to contain less spin than imagining we are in a Weekend at Bernie’s situation. Even if that were the case, he may still be our only chance, since I fear dead Sanders may still poll higher than Tulsi.

    • #172921

      Jan Boehmermann
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      You’ve got a BETTER CHOICE?

      • #173003

        game meat
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        I was only half joking when I said dead Sanders would still outperform Tulsi in the primaries.

        It seems he’s going to be fine, so it doesn’t matter and he’s still the better choice. Yes, this will be thrown into the smear pile. Hard to say at this time if this will have any long term negative impact.

        • #173201

          Cold Mountain Trail
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          It’ll only play poorly if he continues to have problems.

          I’m gonna bet he won’t.

          I’m gonna guess also that he won’t run himself as hard as he has been — he’s been on the campaign trail, in one form or another (helping the Queen) since 2015, and keeping a schedule that would tire most younger people.

          Hillary, otoh, kept banking hours and was still fainting and getting pneumonia.

          I’m sticking with Bernie.  He’s got the best plans, the best people around him, the best ground game, the best heart in every sense of the word.

          He’s gonna win.

  • #172927

    Mick063
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    The DNC against Bernie is a given. You aren’t telling us anything new.

    I am unwilling to succumb to the whims of the DNC. They are every bit as much of my political enemy as the Republicans.

    When Bernie tells me he is out, not the DNC, not corporate media, not you, but Bernie, I will believe he is out.

    You are brave to impose this defeatism here.

    When I was elected to be a delegate for Bernie Sanders at my state convention in 2016, I made a promise to the assembly. I promised that no matter what, they can trust the fact that I will be loyal to Bernie Sanders. Guess what? I am still loyal to Bernie Sanders. I’m still keeping my promise.

    Bernie or bust.

    "I welcome their hatred" Franklin D Roosevelt

    • #172933

      leftcoast mountains
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      When I heard this on the radio I thought OK now what? I decided even if he dropped out I would just write his name in the blank space. Has everyone forgotten about Dick Cheney? Heart transplant in 2012. Many heart surgeries before that transplant.

      Dick Cheney had already survived five heart attacks, the first at age 37. He’d undergone multiple surgeries, including coronary artery bypass, stenting and angioplasty.

      Former VP Dick Cheney says heart troubles were always on his mind

      What about RBG?

      Give me a f***ing break.

      #NoMiddleGround #I AM BERNIE

      • #174657

        eridani
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

        Cheney is now 78–Bernie’s age.  His heart is in vastly worse shape.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

  • #172931

    Flying Squirrel
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    Bernie or Bust. nt

  • #172932

    Flying Squirrel
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    Bernie or Bust. I won’t quit till he does, and he won’t.

     

    P.S. Defeatism about Bernie from a JPR Moderator? Never thought I’d see the day.

  • #172941

    a little weird
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    Oh please, it’s a stent.  Bernie’s it for me.  Tulsi was my second choice for a long time until I heard her speak more extensively on health care.  In my personal favorability view, she’s at about the same level as Warren now.  In any case, I don’t see any possible way for her to get the nomination.  If Bernie doesn’t get it this time, I will probably vote for Howie Hawkins if he’s on the ballot.

  • #172942

    HassleCat
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    Sadly, I think you are correct. Any health problem makes people squidgy about a candidate. Bernie can ride his mountain bike from Maine to California and it won’t ease the health fears. People are way too fickle to consider that somebody with a spine is the best candidate, even if he has a stent. I’m not sure what happens next, but I suspect Bernie will be left with his core group of supporters and will plateau. I hope he stays in as long as he can, because the debates will be much better with Bernie in the mix. I suppose we’re going to see a surge by Warren as she picks up voters who were trying to decide between Liz and Bernie. Personally, I’m stubborn, so I’m remaining a Bernie voter until forced to change.

  • #172944

    Tokenlib
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    Just reading the email Bernie sent out tonight to thank everyone for their well wishes. He sounds as determined as ever and he knows he’s not alone. Time to kick some ass!!!

  • #172947

    Ohio Barbarian
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    It’s not the absolute truth. Does such a thing even exist in politics? And it’s bullshit. Sorry, dude, but I completely disagree with you here. Besides, Tulsi has withdrawn her support for Medicare for All and is supportive a  Hindu nationalist murderer in India. Plus, she doesn’t have a chance of getting the nomination. None. So yeah, there’s somebody better, and it’s still Bernie.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

    • #173007

      Jan Boehmermann
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      Supportive of Hindu Nationalism?

      Probably does that when she’s not busy torturing kitties and puppies and praising Assad for gassing his own people!   Right?

      • #173022

        Ohio Barbarian
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        Wrong. She said she wanted a foreign policy very supportive of the current Indian government just last week, and refused to condemn the Indian suppression of Kashimir. I have a serious problem with that. She also backed away from M4A. Those are facts.

        I never had any problem with her meeting Assad and being opposed to imperial wars, and you know that. Don’t use a black or white, all or nothing argument here. You’re better than that.

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

        • #173958

          Jan Boehmermann
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          Just curious,@ohiobarbarian … were there ANY US POLITICIANS who denounced India’s Kashmir territory grab?  OR …was Tulsi the only one OBLIGATED to denounce it?

          • #173970

            Ohio Barbarian
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            @janboehmermann She brought up India in the interview I saw. She didn’t have to. She was asked what nation the US should focus more on working with, and said India. Only then was she asked about Modi’s power grab, and she acted like it didn’t matter to her, even mentioned the way Muslims treated women, which has been an excuse used by others to remain in Afghanistan.

            Like Hindu nationalists are any better about that. They leave a lot to be desired in that category as well.

            Tulsi is half-Indian, I think, married to an ethnic Indian, and was raised in a fundamentalist Hindu cult. You’re damned right I’m going to hold her to a higher standard on that score, just like I do Mike Pence with his fundamentalist Christian shit.

            We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

            With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #173004

    djean111
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    You are all alone in that smelly elevator.   I do not have to choose another Democrat, either.  Not being a Democrat myself.

    And Bernie is not out.  And if Bernie was out, I would not support someone who is against M4A.  Also, face it, if the DNC could get rid of Bernie Sanders, they would be able to make very short work of getting rid of Gabbard.  My choice would be Green.  Bernie’s supporters are never going to move en masse to another candidate.  IMO and all that.

    I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

    Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

    • #173008

      Jan Boehmermann
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      I don’t know what made you think I would ever vote for another main stream Democrat.  I won’t!

      • #173017

        djean111
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        Gabbard is a Democrat.

        I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

        Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

        • #173018

          Jan Boehmermann
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          Got a better choice?

          Tulsi is not very popular with the DNC big whigs.

          • #173020

            djean111
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            Green.  Again, you should not assume that beating Trump is the most important thing.  Why even bother with primaries, if that were true.

            The markets are literally killing us, especially through limiting  “access” to health care.  Gabbard wants to keep the markets.  So – for me, Gabbard is not an acceptable choice.

            I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

            Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

            • #173111

              ozoneman
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              Yes, I will vote Green if Bernie is not an option. I’ve done that since Clinton, and my education of third way politics. I voted for Nader when he was running.

              Tulsi would be a good choice for defense secretary, or secretary of state.  She has stood up to the MSM regarding Assad and Syria.

  • #173032

    HalfCentury Man
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    Eighteen year Leukemia survivor. The chemo/radiation treatments damaged my tear ducts, saliva glands, and pancreas. I no longer digest fats and oils properly, consequently I have had diarrhea for nearly two decades now. Disabled due to severe COPD in 2009. Lungs damaged by powder paint residue, welding fumes, smoking, and the general hydrocarbon toilet that is our current atmosphere. Today is twenty days from my sixtieth birthday.

    I bet I could still stomp off twenty five miles a day with a backpack. I’ll do it a lot slower and take more breaks. But, I’ll actually see the surrounding countryside better now. When you can still reach the finish line sometimes faster isn’t always better.

     

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

    John F. Kennedy: 13 March 1962.

    • #173130

      incognito
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      @halfcenturyman

      Congratulations on beating Leukemia! You’re one of two people I know who beat it. My BIL was only 20 years old when he was diagnosed with Leukemia. It took years of chemo, radiation and a perfect match bone marrow transplant (a brother) and he was cancer free and has been for over 40 years.

      Yeah…it gives you a different perspective on life, that’s for sure.

      Congrats to you for that victory over such a horrible disease. A hard fought battle, I know.

  • #173035

    wilsonbooks
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    Bernie all the way.

     

    “I will tell you what I will do and what I will not do. I will not serve that in which I no longer believe, whether it calls itself my home, my fatherland, or my church: and I will try to express myself in some mode of life or art as freely as I can and as wholly as I can, using for my defense
    the only arms I allow myself to use -- silence, exile, and cunning.”
    ― James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

  • #173046

    eridani
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    This is silly.  Cheney’s five heart attacks–first one at age 37–were no barrier to him running the country for eight years.

    Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

  • #173110

    doh1304
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    I think JB is being treated a little unfairly. There is a long list of people (the DNC, opportunistic Dem contenders, Trump) who will pound and pound on Bernie’s health, and health issues have power in elections. (Cheney was not elected) I too believe that the Democratic “Party” will falsify the vote and claim  “concerns over Bernie’s health” to “explain” his “loss”, but I also think and hope that he can overcome that.

  • #173190

    sadoldgirl
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    Well, friend, you are way behind in your analysis,

    imo. Tulsi – even if there were no issues for Bernie

    supporters – could never ever make it. The point

    you are making is just a reminder of Bernie’s

    problems. Go back to the decision about the fate

    of the SD early on and you will realize that the

    decisions had been made then. Bernie himself

    said that nobody within a larger group could get

    51% of the delegates. So, he knew it early on. Thus

    it was clear from that time on and given the amounts

    of candidates, that the plan was to have 4 or 5 people

    to qualify up to the convention. Ergo: a brokered

    convention, which would lead to the elimination of

    Bernie. That however should not stop his supporters

    at all. Without any blinders they should support him

    now, and go wherever they want afterwards.

    I’ll vote Bernie in the primaries, then go to vote

    green in the General. Anything else would just

    support the VDs.

  • #173203

    David the Gnome
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    Every once in a great many years, we have an opportunity to elect, not just a politician, but a decent human being.  More than that… someone of integrity, compassion, someone not afraid to tell the truth or stand up to the powers that be.  I felt that way the first time around – and I feel the same now.  I don’t agree with Bernie about everything – and I really don’t have to, so long as I can trust that his intentions and his heart are in the right place – and with him I absolutely do.

    Now, I have no doubt that a lot of people will certainly beat the drums on this, especially our friends over at SV – but I am behind Bernie 100%, if he doesn’t take the primaries, I’m either writing in his name or voting for the person, after him, who most closely represents me, which would probably be a green.

    I don’t know about you, Jan, but for me, I see the DNC opposing someone like Bernie as a badge of honor – for him.  Yes, they will cheat if they can, they will play their usual games, lying and manipulating, so what?  I always knew it would be that way.

    I will not support anyone who does not support medicare for all OR a full single payer system.  It is time to get rid of the insurance companies, passed time.  It is time to give ordinary American people a chance to live a better life, to not have to be afraid of getting sick or injured, to not have to avoid medical care for fear of endless debt, or even bankruptcy.  Have you seen the price of insulin?  How about life saving cancer drugs?  How about a visit to the ER, or even a routine surgery?  It is beyond sick, it is greed that is utterly out of control – and it is killing us.

    Half measures will not work here.  If it turns out, in 2020, that Bernie really IS out, then I think I’ll be out, too.  Frankly I am so disgusted with politics, with the DNC and the typical democrat nonsense that Bernie is the only reason I haven’t already given up completely on working within the system.  He has already done things plenty of people never would have imagined possible – and he can do them again.  Win or lose, I know where I stand.  Its about compassion.  It is so rare in politicians that it is something of a miracle that any one of them actually has any.  That is why Bernie draws the crowds and meets and surpasses fundraising goals.  That is why I and many others believe in him so powerfully.

    To back out because he has a stent and the DNC is going to cheat?  Well, we knew the DNC was going to cheat, so the only thing new is the stent – and that’s not even remotely close to resembling a reason to back out.

    • #173722

      ravensong
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      @ravensong

      ↑↑↑ + ∞  ↑↑↑

      @davidthegnome

      Thank you, David, for saying exactly what I think and feel, more eloquently than I could have said it.

      Bernie gets it, and he lives it.  He’s not perfect, but he’s probably the only human being on the planet who has the potential to become POTUS and unite the people in an effort to do what is necessary to save our country, and the earth.  I’m sticking with Bernie.

      It ain’t over ’til it’s over.  No surrender!

       

      Promote Freedom From Religion, and Separation of Church and State.

      See how much you will pay for Healthcare under Bernie Sanders Medicare for All plan:
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      Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues! ~ Bernie

  • #173212

    algernon
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    @algernon

    A politicians opponents will always be seeking ways to end the threat to them.  Any politician in any system.  That’s no reason for inventing reasons to pre-emptively capitulate.  Bernie Sanders has already won enormous popular respect for his political ideas.  His just being there is a huge plus, to those who share his ideas.

    The USA isn’t geared in such a way that, even should he win, he can get much done.  In fact he’d be smashed from all sides, including from fake “progressives” who’ll start calling him a sell-out.  A bit like the “sheepdog” attacks, but worse.  This is why he’s always talking about the necessity of building a democratic socialist base, fellow legislators who’ll back him or back anyone promoting those ideas.  This is why AOC and “the squad” are important, and it’s important that they didn’t “demexit” rather than fight to win.  And win they did, and they’ll have even bigger fights to keep those seats.  In 2016, where was the “progressive caucus”?  Large as it was, it was hiding rather than coming out strong.  That’s changing and it’s largely because Sanders, in spite of losing the primary in ’16, now has a major voice.

    Yes, corporate dems hold the reigns of power, the positions, but they’re hurting.   Of course the MSM, owned by Murdoch, Bezos, will stop at nothing in fighting Sanders and his ideas – that’s why they bought the media – so they can fight progressive policy across the world and there’s no reason to expect otherwise in future.

    • #173352

      Cold Mountain Trail
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      @davidthegnome

      +++++

      agree w/ everything you said.

      why should i/we give up because we think they’re gonna cheat?  what a sad sack defeatist posture!

      call it when they cheat & fight them!

    • #173709

      Ohio Barbarian
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      @ohiobarbarian

      @algernon +100

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #173279

    whispers
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    @whispers

    I have been sending money to Tulsi as well as Bernie just to get her on the stage.  But unless it is Bernie, I will vote Green again.  I do not trust the Democratic Party at all and I rather much despise them as a whole.  They should be ashamed of themselves while they parade as SJW they are not for their constituents nor are they for unfortunates in other countries to which they applaud war and terror and horror.  Not that I like what Republicans wish for us or ever have liked their interests and policies.  Democrats have their own horrible policies and should not call their party the Democratic party as it isn’t democratic at all.  The “Undemocratic Party” is what it has proven itself to be and should be called.  As we all kknow why and I spilt stuff on my computer so I have a hard time typing it out as some keys keep sticking, and some don”’t workkkkkkk.

  • #173292

    Piperay
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    @piperay

    Biden is a good as gone but Bernie is on his way back to the race!

    Bernie Sanders 2020

  • #173354

    djean111
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    @djean111

    You know what would hurt Bernie the most?  The very idea or hint of his supporters bailing on him.

    I believe you know that.

    And you must know that Gabbard would never inspire the amount or type of support that Bernie has.

    Yes, the DNC and the Vichy Dems will use this against him.  But NO ONE running currently compares to Bernie on the issues.  No one.  Against M4A?  Gabbard does not even make it out of the starting gate now.

    Bernie or bust.

    I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

    Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

  • #173637

    PolecatHollerer
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    @polecathollerer

    I was never on your elevator, Jan.

    You go ahead- I’ll catch the next one.

    If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

  • #173711

    xyzse
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    @xyzse

    I do like Tulsi, but this should not stop Bernie from running.  Stents have become routine, especially at their age.

    Beyond that, I’m sure he’d be feeling great right now after the procedure.

  • #173986

    chknltl
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    @chknltl

    If it is ok with you…

    …smelly elevators are not my thing.

    I believe I will keep taking the stairs.

    It is better for my health thank you.

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