Okay, someone explain to me: How the **** is older people dying supposed to protect the economy?

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    • #292571
      ElfinWilde
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      Who came up with this nonsense that old people dying will make everything okay and get rid of Covid 19?

      It is, after all, the those over 62-66 and beyond who are more able to self isolate due to having, at least, a small stipend from Social Security…  From what I am hearing from my contemporaries, they are self-isolating and only going out for absolute necessities, wearing gloves, taking hand sanitizers with them, and if not wearing masks, staying as far away from others as possible.

      I would think that the people who are most at risk for dying are the people who think it cannot happen to them and continue on as if it won’t.  All those Spring Breakers that are still here in Florida, and all of those idiots who are screaming that the beaches not get closed because, “Should we all give up peanutbutter just because a few have peanut allergies?” don’t seem to understand, NO ONE IS IMMUNE!  The youngers ones might survive, but how the heck will they pay off the medical bills?

      Remember that Spring Breaker in South Florida who said, “If I get corona, I get corona. Nothing’s going to stop me from partying.”  He’s singing a much differert tune now, giving an eloquent apology:  https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/489185-spring-breaker-who-went-viral-after-saying-if-i-get-corona-i

      Maybe these pols and pundants who are advocating grandpa and grandma dying  are hoping that the few remaining  WWII , “lost generation,”  and boomers die off so that they can go in and cheat Gen X and millennials out of their inheiritances.

      You are a child of the Universe, no less than the trees and the stars. You have a right to be here.

    • #292577
      mindpilot
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      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/foxs-brit-hume-says-its-an-entirely-reasonable-viewpoint-to-expect-that-grandparents-would-be-willing-to-die-to-protect-the-economy/

      Think this through; everybody goes back to work. All the people in day-to-day contact with each other get sick. Many need to be hospitalized, and some will die. Meanwhile, the oldsters are sequestered in their homes doing fine, because they were not in contact with the virus. Doesn’t change a thing. Therefore, is the plan for the young working family to infect Gramma when they visit on Saturday? If so that is some seriously diabolical malevolent shit.

      Other than to not make SS payments, what does sacrificing people over 65 do to stem the spread of the virus? The only way this could work is if everyone who is not retired is immune, and if someone accidentally brings the virus to an oldster…that’s the sacrifice we are talking about. If that is the case then the advocates of elder genocide are also ignorant in addition to being wicked.

      Slavery was the legal fiction that people can be property.
      Corporatism is the legal fiction that property can be people.

      "If you believe in god, I'm probably smarter than you." -- Tom Leykis

    • #292578
      djean111
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      descend on the Social Security fund like wolves – the old RICH are not gonna die – and the younger people will still have crap jobs and wages and debt.  The only people who I can see benefiting are the Okay-Boomers – they would be thrilled  to pieces!, but that won’t help the economy.  I can see where not treating old people with coronavirus complications would free up medical resources, but that’s about it.  Or perhaps the Okay-Boomers are looking forward to early life insurance payouts, who knows.

      • #292580
        MizzGrizz
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        .. it I don’t want anybody,old or young,to die.And God,especially not for Wall Street.

      • #292829
        The Red Menace
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        Telling ’em we’re not interested in hearing boomer bullshit is not anywhere near wishing them to die.

         

        Anyway, old people dying wouldn’t help the economy. I think what’s being heard there is the fizzling of cognitive dissonance – people being made to realize the lethality of capitalism while trying very hard to justify it.

    • #292582
      retired liberal
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      Profits, Baby! The god of the big corporations.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

    • #292583
      N2Doc
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      Somehow, the sick will crawl off to die, 90% will not get sick or maybe have a ‘mild’ case of the ‘flu’, and everybody parties on. The reality is vast numbers of really sick people, hospitals overwhelmed, millions dying, huge disruptions in the economy and in society. But the chuckleheads are fed the fantasy by our so called leaders and the fuckheads on TV/radio.

    • #292584
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #292587
      David the Gnome
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      @everyone

      This is worth repeating, everywhere and anywhere.  Our hospitals do not have enough ventilators to manage even a moderate (overall) spread of the virus.  A considerable number of people will need them to survive.  They wont be available.

      This means those people die, beginning in small numbers, but as hospitals and staff become overwhelmed and there are no beds, even, to be had… then we see thousands, maybe a lot more.

      This is what has happened – is happening – in Italy and Spain.  We are on the verge of it.  Their healthcare systems may break under the strain if the spread grows much further.

      Ours is even more vulnerable due to population and the incompetence of our government.  One hundred people in a hospital with ten ventilators… all need ventilators.  You cant get more fast because every hospital is begging for them.  You cant move patients because anywhere you could transfer to has the same problem.

      It means emergency services in general, eventually hospitals in general, come to an unhappy ending.

      Civilized society, such as it is… requires these things.  Foundations.  Fundamental things.  When one gives out, the rest follow like dominos.  The result is mass chaos.

      That is what this virus could very well do.  That is why the wisest of us are taking it seriously.

      Me?  I think we are seeing precisely that coming towards us like a damn moose in the headlights.  Maybe I am wrong, but if I am right, within months, there will be no way for me to say I told you so.

    • #292613
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      Kicked and recommended!

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #292615
      Enthusiast
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      I think we’re fucked. We need the government but the government has become consumed by private interests since the advent of Neoliberalism.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #292621
      incognito
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      They will do anything to get to it.

      I’m a little surprised Bernie hasn’t lambasted the GOP for this, that I’ve seen. And no other Dems  have spoken out against it.

    • #292622
      David the Gnome
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      @awknid

      Well, for one thing, the possible collapse of our Country certainly wouldnt help.

      If you want specifics on the economy though… how many millions do U.S. hospitals employ?  Laundry, cleaning, maintenance, the people who answer the phones and check you in and out.  The people who prepare the food for patients… even before getting to medical personnel, we are talking about a lot.

      So, if these hospitals become overwhelmed with more cases than they can handle, the dead and the dying, morale is lost.  Staff despairs, gets angry or depressed, hasn’t got enough supplies – and now they are getting sick, too.

      Lots, in that kind of desperation, are going to go home.  They will be too overwhelmed to think of much beyond their needs and protecting their families.  They will not have the tools they need to work.

      This sets off a chain reaction of other hospital workers doing the same – until some hospitals have bare bones staff or maybe none at all.  Basically, that means the end of our economy.  It is extremely reliant on healthcare.

      It means a slow, miserable, heart breaking end.  In addition to the dead, many millions are out of work, there go the largest employers in many cities and towns.

      I cant really overstate this.  If this happens – and sending everyone back out by Easter makes it more likely – then we are looking at dystopian, apocalyptic type shit.  Other Countries are facing the same threat.

    • #292656
      bazukhov
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      Buying life insurance is like betting on a sure thing and hoping you lose.

      Dick Gregory

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    • #292667
      David the Gnome
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      @awknid

      The point is we need to be smart about this – and we need ventilators, ICU beds – and much more.  If we want to avoid the worst, these things need doing along with self quarantine, isolation and social distancing.

      To disregard that is to disregard common sense.  This is pretty basic stuff.  Look into how many ventilators your local hospital has.

      It’s about saving lives, instead of the economy.  It is putting human value over financial value.

      It is also about maintaining our infrastructure – it is fragile, after many years of neglect.

      If people can’t get critical care when they need it – they will die.  I don’t cate if the stock market vanishes – I care about my people living.

    • #292682
      sadoldgirl
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      Let me answer this in a somewhat sarcastic way.

      If people over ~65 die, you got rid of nursing homes,

      medicare, SS, and useless consumers, who don’t work

      anymore for the rat-race. A lot of older people own their

      home; thus there will be a lesser housing problem.

      It has to be understood that people like Soros, Gates,

      Koch, etc are excluded from that calculation. There

      was a movie once describing a scenario like that, but

      I forgot the name.

    • #292707
      Fasttense
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      The Trump logic goes like this. We all go back to work. Every one gets the virus. Only the old people die because that is the limit of his understanding of the virus.

      But the truth is we all get the virus at the same time. The elderly have no one to take care of them. They are left abandoned to die. The ill and recuperating  no matter the age, die because no one is well enough to take care of them. Young and middle-aged people who get really bad cases die. People who have sudden medical emergencies die.

      This will all happen at once in about 12 to 24 days from the date of lifting of restrictions. And there are 2 waves to the disease. First you get regular flu symptoms then you start feeling better go back to work give everyone around you the virus, then get really sick.

      After the first 12 to 24 days of illness another outbreak happens. Then as the survivors are able to get out of bed, they get to deal with 13 million dead bodies.

      And our rulers the filthy rich think this will help the economy.

    • #292752
      Red Cloud
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      Let me say that fish NEVER die from old age. So old people dying would mean more food and oxygen for the survivors? Don’t old folks vote Republican out of fear? How can they vote if they die? something fishy about all this…

    • #292767
      MikeW285
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      I have no explanation.  this Texas dude (can’t remember, nor do I care, his office) and tRUMP are morons.  wanting to “restart” the economy for their own narcissistic (copyright OB ?) gains — POS’s.

    • #292888
      JonLP
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      What they mean is they’d rather have the Coronavirus spread if it meant the economy stays open.

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