On Jesse Ventura, first impressions.

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    • #309763
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I did a little research for this, but not all that much. Please feel free to comment or post your own OP. This is a discussion board, after all.

      Jesse Ventura was born in Minneapolis in 1951, so he’s pushing 70, but is still younger than Trump or Biden. He was a Navy UDT guy in Vietnam, when I was in it was EOD. They swim underwater and defuse mines or plant them and do special ops and shit. I know their training regimen is every bit as tough as the SEALS.

      When he got out of ‘Nam, he did a stint as security for the Rolling Stones, and then went on his wrestling career and made a bundle. He’s been married to the same woman since 1975 and has, I think, three kids.

      In 1998, he shocked the national political establishment by running on the Reform Party ticket for Governor of Minnesota and winning. I remember watching the returns. They refused to call it until something like 99% of the vote was in because they just couldn’t believe it.

      From what I’ve read, his term as governor wasn’t a disaster, but it wasn’t very successful, either. He couldn’t get most of his bills out of committee because both parties hated him, and he vetoed all sorts of shit, most of which were not overridden. He gave a sales tax rebate to Minnesotans for a few years, opposed the teachers unions(there’s a strike in my book), but was all in on socially libertarian positions.

      For example, he was for legalizing medical marijuana way before it was cool and supported gay marriage when Joe Biden was all for the Defense of Marriage Act. After his term as governor, he’s done things like sue the TSA for violating his 4th Amendment rights by patting him down because he has a titanium hip that always sets off the metal detectors. I imagine he’d do away with the TSA altogether, and that’s fine by me. I think they’re worthless and only condition us to Fascism.

      I know he’s got a strong libertarian streak; he did endorse Gary Johnson in 2016. He’s completely anti-imperial war, so that’s good, and from what I’ve seen he’s no fan of large corporations or government subsidies of the same. I don’t know where he stands on things like Medicare for All or free college or debt forgiveness.

      He’s brash, outspoken, rides a Harley, and is hated by Democrats, Republicans, and most of the media. He loathes both major political parties. In short, if he endorses the Green Party platform, that’s good enough for me. He strikes me as honest, and he’s got a spine.

      He believes in some conspiracy theories, alleging Castro told him who really killed JFK(I don’t know the details), and believes the in the possibility that the World Trade Center was wired with explosives. He did say that in the best case scenario the Bush Administration let it happen on purpose. The latter is close to my own position on that subject, and, while I believe JFK was killed by a lone gunman and not by the CIA, many of you think otherwise.

      It’s not like that would be a reason for me not to vote for any of you, though, and the same reasoning applies to Ventura.

      As I said, this is just a cursory overview, but I’ll take Jesse Ventura over either Joe Biden or Donald Trump faster than a Clevelander will brag about a corned beef sandwich at a local deli. I hope he runs. It would be…fun.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #309787
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      rough around the edges but that doesn’t bother me. He won’t kiss anyone’s ass. That I feel sure of. But I don’t know about him in the White House. Somebody would end up going through the ropes.

    • #309791
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      ..last time. Not sure about this year.

       

    • #309799
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      Ventura is listed in that “on the issues” website – for instance, he adopted the Governor’s Association stance on Social Security – strengthening it.

      https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Jesse_Ventura_Social_Security.htm

      I have not checked other issues as yet.

      As far as being a celebrity – looks to me like Ventura has as much experience as Obama did, and more than Buttigieg.  More life experience, too, not just being a politician.  And Biden is running on name recognition, not issues.  And I don’t see Ventura lying.  I might not like what he says, but I don’t think he would lie.  And I can’t imagine the Greens just abandoning their platform for him.

      No, I am not swooning over Ventura, but IMO he beats the hell out of Biden and Trump.  I still love Bernie, sorry/not sorry to those who hatessss him, but am looking forward.  No matter what, no matter who Biden names as VP or is replaced by, I will not vote for Trump or The Democrat.  So this is more interesting than just bitching about Biden and reading hair-on-fire about Trump for months and months.

      • #309811
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        @djean111 Go to Democratic Party sites and they hate him. Go to Fox News, and you’ll see Republicans hating on him and worrying about him “stealing” votes from Trump. As if any political party or politician owns our votes. Fucking presumptuous assholes.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #309802
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      .., of anyone who identifies as “libertarian”.

    • #309804
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      He has a show on RT, and so have Papantonio, Rick Sanchez, Chris

      Hedges and Lee Camp. Whenever he goes for vacations to Mexico

      his replacements have been Lee Camp or Jimmy Dore. I have watched

      it from time to time and could agree with him on many issues. He

      definitely detests our imperial wars, accepts Climate Change on the

      basis of science and detests the establishment’s hypocrisy. He is very

      straight forward and was very angry with Bernie’s decision to stay

      with HRC instead of joining the Greens. He saw it as a sellout of

      the Berners. I would love to see him at the debates, but doubt that

      the Uniparty and its extension in the media would permit him to

      participate.

    • #309805
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      It’s a custom chopper from a place in Wisconsin with a 124 cubic inch v twin engine ~2000cc+. Which is a damn big engine for a motorcycle. Both parties will hate him, that’s for sure, and his incident with the guy that was the American Sniper and his lawsuit, still ongoing will be used by the right to attack him.

      He also joined the Mongols motercycle gang in the early 70’s as they were the Latino answer to the Hells’s angels, but were willing to let white guys in so that tells me he’s no racist. But that could come back to haunt him though I find it a hell of a lot more down to earth than anything Biden or tRump have ever done in their lives.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

      • #309815
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        @punxsutawney Not that I ride any motorcycle. Never have, hope I never have to.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #309828
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          Sorta bad things happen when I get on one, at least to the bike, and I’m way too old now. Now I can manage a 500hp+ car with ease, but keep me away from the most basic of motorbikes. Now mountain bikes, that’s another matter, though again I’m getting too old for anything too adventurous.

          I got all this from listening to the Joe Rogen link someone posted this morning. Jesse has some views I don’t agree with, but he seems to actually care about people.


          @ohiobarbarian

          In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #309806
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      I can’t imagine a libertarian supporting Medicare For All, free tuition for public  universities, or a Green New Deal.

      Those issues are absolutely imperative for me.

      • #309816
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        @rufustfirefly I don’t think the Greens would ditch it, and I’m sure Ventura would advocate for it as their nominee. Does he really believe in it? Does it matter? What realistic chance does he have of actually winning, anyway?

        At the very least, he would keep things like Medicare for All and free college in the public eye, I would think. I could be proven wrong, but I think he would help the Greens more than Howie Hawkins could, and I see that as a positive thing.

        Give him time. Maybe he’ll address it. I’m certainly willing to give him a chance, and I know neither Trump nor Biden will support any of those issues.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #309830
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          @ohiobarbarian

          What bothers me about modern political parties is that there’s a tendency to mold the platform to fit the candidate instead of the other way around. I may be old fashioned but I still believe that a party should establish its principles and then nominate a candidate who seems best suited to carry them out.

          Unfortunately, that’s a rarity is our celebrity obsessed personality-driven campaigns. Another issue is that when movers and shakers within the party do go to the trouble of adding important planks to the platform, it seems the candidate at the top of the ticket has the freedom to completely ignore those hard-fought goals and ideals. Poor Bernie made a big deal out of helping to push through one of the most progressive platforms in our nation’s history. Yet how many people truly believed that Lady Klynton Kissinger-Sachs had any intentions of honoring them?

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        Breaking: “Sources report” that former Governor Jesse Ventura has named his healthcare plan “Medicare for ALL except Pete Buttigieg”

        https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/g6nr50/breaking_sources_report_that_former_governor/   link

         

        I haven’t been able to find if he supports M4A, although he did tweet this:

        Today’s Medicare for all “will never work” quotes brought to you by the man who supposedly also said “I’ve always respected those who tried to change the world for the better, rather than just complain about it.”

        When he was referring to:  https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1090341309317935105

    • #309810
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      Jimmy Dore filling in for Jesse on the RT on Jesse’s show “the World According to Jesse” turned me on to the fact that Jesse has a show on RT America, which is a pretty good show.  Jesse also has a some-of-the-year home in Mexico, which is cool / my family and I wouldn’t choose to live there, but it’s cool that Jesse makes a life out of it.  I think Jesse still has his home in Minnesota. No real discussion from me per se, but Jesse does seem to give a shit about your average American… so he has my vote if he runs Green.

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      …rather than Libertarians of convenience like the Pauls.

      Like the rest of his ilk, all his positions are the result of operating under the premise that government is bad. Does the solution to the issue in question involve the government doing something? If the answer is yes, then he may not even know what that something is, but he’s probably against it. If the answer is no, then that is the solution he’ll probably prefer.

      So, he’ll be against wars because fighting wars because war involves the government doing stuff. He’ll be in favor of legalizing drugs because enforcing prohibition involves the government doing stuff. Of course, this also means he’s probably not a big supporter of MFA and regulations in general because that involves the government doing stuff.

      Libertarian ideology is stupid, imo. Sure they’re non-interventionist, but it’s for all the wrong reasons, and they always strike me as half sincere at best.  The only good thing about them is that they tend to be legitimately socially liberal without all of the obnoxious and humorless idpol foolishness.

      Also, he describes himself as “socially liberal/fiscally conservative.” Such an original freethinker. lol But, yea, he’s still probably better than Trump or Biden all things considered. Not sure how he fits into the green party unless he’s decided to reinvent himself, but I wouldn’t vote for him anyway.

       

    • #309813
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      Jesse Ventura was born in Minneapolis in 1951, so he’s pushing 70, but is still younger than Trump or Biden. He was a Navy UDT guy in Vietnam, when I was in it was EOD. They swim underwater and defuse mines or plant them and do special ops and shit. I know their training regimen is every bit as tough as the SEALS.

      UDT (underwater demolition team) …..I was a navy line officer and worked at the navy school of diving and salvage which occasionally trained their members….I personally knew members who were elite leaders in that community. one of whom led the Special Operations Command….From very small elite groups in WWII the forces grew into the formidable force that they are today (i.e., from UDT/SEAL (sea air land) teams, one on each coast + inshore undersea warfare group in the 1970’s to the 1990’s and beyond and Special Operations Command and Blackwater etc., etc.).   For multiple reasons will not disclose my contacts but knew of Dick Marcinko (writer/author) who was also in that community.   Marcinko, et. al. were about 10 years before  Ventura but were no doubt his mentors.    One of the missions of UDT/SEAL teams in 60’s-70’s Vietnam was Operation Phoenix…..As the mission of the special forces in all the services has evolved, they support multiple operations on multiple continents ….as empire expands it more and more needs support from covert/counter-insurgency operations in order to prop up and/or install the puppets required by the empire.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

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      • #309819
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        I was surface Navy. I didn’t go in for that dangerous heroic shit.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #309822
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      He knows exactly what part they play in our problems here. And they (CNN, FOX, NYT, etc) funded the appeal against his court victory against Chris Kyle (the American Sniper) so no love lost there, and you can bet he won’t hold back in response to their bs.

       

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

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      I could vote for him.

      I might not agree with him on everything but he is a hell of a lot closer to where I want to be then either of the Corporate candidates.

      He would pull from both sides and could possibly get enough states to keep anyone from 270.

      And I like the idea of a President who actually had his ass on the line in combat making decisions about fighting wars.

       

    • #309834
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      If you did a Venn diagram of Jesse Ventura and Howie Hawkins, my guess is that the overlap of their respective political views would be the size of a toenail clipping. That’s a problem. If the Greens were to let Ventura be their standard bearer, I think they’d be sacrificing principle in exchange for increased publicity. I can see why they might do it, but it’d be a very risky gamble.

      Let’s face it: The highest profile politician who comes even close to being an eco-socialist (and is old enough to run for president) is Bernie. Next would probably be Nader. Name recognition drops precipitously after that. Kshama Sawant can’t run because she was born in India. Chokwe Lumumba would be interesting, but I’m guessing only one in 10,000 Americans has even heard of him. Besides, like Mayor Pete, he’s never run in a statewide election.

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      In a debate I’d love to see Killer Don try to grab him by his  *******

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      I would like to know more about his policy positions. When he refers to himself as a libertarian, hopefully he means “civil libertarian”,( which is what I would consider myself and I think many, if not most, other progressives to be) and not right libertarian like Rand or Ron Paul. I do know that he once called himself “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” which is a red flag, but that was a long time ago, nor did he seem to govern as one when he was governor of Minnesota, at least based on what little knowledge I have researched, and like you, I don’t think the Greens would nominate someone who doesn’t believe in their platform. I know that he has also supported the Greens for the last few election cycles, and may have endorsed Bernie?

      I do think that this is a big opportunity for the Greens because of his name recognition. This could be a breakthrough election for the Greens if they play it right and take advantage of the opportunity. The Green party may not win, but they could stop being irrelevant.

       

       

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      But I would love to see him on a debate stage with the two brain-addled sexual predators.

      Biden wouldn’t know what the fuck to say, and Cheeto would try to pull some WWE shit talking, but I suspect Jesse knows that game better than the Orange Asshole does.

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      –his campaign us utterly useless.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      if he wants to be a Green candidate. He now says he endorses it.

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      It means formerly discharged from the military but continues to do intelligence work. One file wanted to examine the possibility Oswald was “sheep dipped”.

      https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10196-100270001.pdf

      Read all these files and tell me “lone gunman”.

      https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release#note

       

      Why would CIA have body double photographs of Oswald while they were watching the Mexico City embassy if they weren’t involved? Even the CIA according to the files didn’t think Oswald acted alone.

       

      My most leading theory is the Castro failed assassination attempts were turned against JFK meaning anti Castro Cubans & the mafia though there are a lot of unanswered questions about Oswald’s life story.

      • #309965
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        @jonlp I was merely pointing out a difference between Ventura and myself that will definitely be played up by the corporate media if he does run and saying it’s not important enough for me not to vote for him.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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          I’m not into CTs like the illuminati or free masons and I don’t watch Jimmy Dore a lot because of his conspiracies like White Helmets are Al Qaeda or building 7.

          I did a lot of research into intelligence work going back to Washington’s spies actually the Aztecs with Pochtecas. It makes this stuff easier to recognize and in fact a lot less surprising. Lisa Pease said the biggest conspiracy theoriest she met were former CIA agents because they understood what they are capable of. This is also why I’m not as dismissive of Russiagate I would be surprised if their intelligence agencies weren’t working against us.

           

          Anyways I posted a link to a PDF which references my claims as well as the JFK archive. Like I learned from the Saudi Cables we have to do our own investigation because the media certainly won’t.

    • #309967
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      They are legitimate concerns and good questions, and should be addressed and answered. Right now I think it’s a good idea for the Greens to run him, mainly because he might make them relevant. Ventura also has populist appeal on the right, and knows how to speak to lots of ornery, cynical independents who think the government’s so corrupt that they don’t bother to vote.

      Ventura may be able to drive turnout up, and maybe, just maybe, can break the paradigm that says we can only have two choices in a general election. For me, that would make his run worth it right there, especially because he would be running on an anti-corporatist platform.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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        Not that they’re completely the same, of course, but in general, both are Libertarians. And the only way a Libertarian President would be acceptable is if you had solid majorities of Bernie Sanders Progressives in both houses.

        That way you would get an end to foreign interventionist wars. You would probably get national cannabis legalization & an end to the idiotic war on drugs, overall. Possibly an end to all the post 9/11 police state dragonshit.

        Granted, everything else would probably be total gridlock.  But even those things above would be more forward movement than the USA has seen since 1980. And more than you would get from the likes of Joe Biden.

        Unfortunately, we don’t have that Congress. And with the hives of scum & villainy that we DO have * it would be more likely that we would get the WORST possible outcome of a Libertarian presidency… all the idiotic Ayn Rand economic policies passed, and the good things mentioned above completely blocked by Turtle/Pelosi/Schumer & friends.

         

        *apologies to Obi Wan Kenobi

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #310481
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          @satan I am not thinking about what he might actually do as President because I don’t think he can possibly win the general election. At best, and I think this is also impossible, he could throw the election to the House and then the Democrats would anoint Whoever, but certainly not Jesse.

          I am only thinking of what he might do in getting more people to the polls and hurting both D’s and R’s. That’s as far as I’m going. Do you think I’m missing something there?

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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            Is that it’s not a case of all House members voting as individuals, where you would have 435 votes & the Democrats currently having a majority. It’s actually ONE vote per state. And Republicans currently control 26 House delegations, as opposed to the Democrats 23.

            So unless Jellyfish Pelosi could talk three of those red state delegations to flip over, that would be a win for the Orange Imbecile. She might get Utah to flip, since they aren’t exactly Cheeto fans, but I don’t see any other red states doing so.

            "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #309995
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      The conspiracy theories, the macho bull shit, libertarianism in general… no.  In some ways he is similar to Trump – and really not terribly stable.

      I’d vote for Howie Hawkins, but not for Ventura.

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      –he just isn’t a serious candidate.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      neither of the other two will get it. 👎 Possibly I might decide to sit it out, I haven’t  decided yet. 🤔

    • #310458
      Piperay
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      neither of the other two will get it. 👎Possibly I might sit it out, I haven’t  decided yet. 🤔

    • #310576
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      Couldn’t be worse than the other two.

      His policy positions are more environmentally friendly, anti-war and pro-worker from what I’m seeing.

      Even if he were not able to pass any of his measures, he would at least be able to veto a bunch of crap that Trump and Biden would sign without thought.

      I’m in.

      On Edit: Of course, I would not just vote for the guy, and I doubt I’d be a strong supporter.  I will donate however, and see if he can be placed on the debate stage.  Someone needs to do something akin to the “People’s Elbow” on either of the two.

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