On the Chinese.

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    • #2964
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I have seen and heard a lot of talk about China stealing American intellectual property, conducting economic espionage, and not sticking to previous agreements with the United States and other countries not to do such things. Other than Richard Wolff, I haven’t seen the Chinese point of view at all, and it is important to at least sort of understand it.

      Back in the 1970s and 80s, the Chinese basically cut a deal with the West in general and America in particular. It was an informal deal, but that doesn’t matter to the Chinese. Very basically, in exchange for having access to cheap Chinese labor and working their people like dogs, the Chinese government expected to have access to advanced Western technology.

      The Chinese sure did keep up their end of the bargain with the American oligarchy. There is simply no argument about that. The American leadership, confident in our own abilities to stay ahead technologically, was unworried about Chinese competition in that area until just the last 15 years or so. Then the Chinese started to catch up, and American information-sharing dried up.

      To the Chinese, this was just another betrayal and attempt at exploitation by the White Devils, but they were prepared. They went ahead and invested in advanced technology, both in their own research and the efforts to obtain information they figured was rightfully theirs anyway by doing what the West had done so often to them in the past–by plundering it. As far as the Chinese are concerned, turnabout is fair play.

      That, IMHO, is one aspect of what is going on. There are others. Some are domestic political concerns; if the Chinese government stops delivering a better standard of living for the generations of spoiled brats who have grown up as only children thanks to absolutely necessary one child per couple laws, it will face serious social unrest, even revolution. They also cannot afford to be seen as weak in the eyes of their own people when dealing with the Western barbarians, as they think of us, or they lose credibility. Worse, they would lose face, a HUUUGE no-no in Chinese culture.

      Then there’s the strong streak of Chinese racism and nationalism that is so politically incorrect to talk about, but it is real. The Chinese view their civilization as the center of the world, with some justification. They have, after all, been civilized for at least 4000 years now, and they do have a lot to be proud of. But they can be as ugly as the crassest American redneck. The following Chinese tale is a mild example:

      When the gods created humanity, they baked us out of some sort of divine dough. The gods overcooked the first batch, and created black people. Then they undercooked the second batch, and created white people. Then they did it just right, and voila’! The Chinese came out just right!

      IOW, the Chinese can be every bit as bigoted as anyone else, if not more so. That does not make them our enemies, and they are quite willing to work with us so long as they also benefit and serenity, harmony, and stability are maintained or achieved. Plus, they need to be in a respectable place. They can also be a very pragmatic people, you see.

      Our oligarchy doesn’t care much about any of that in their relentless capitalist pursuit of profits, which is just one more reason that its fall from power will benefit not only Americans, but the Chinese and every other people on the planet as well.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #2994
      3fingerbrown
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      much intact for that long by being stupid. They will be around long after American society collapses, just like they were around long before American society was born, IMO. Sometimes I think China is like the tortoise, and America the hare, slow and steady 4000 year march wins the race instead of headlong 250 year sprint for endless growth and profit.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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