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  • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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    On the Ohio Governor's Race, One Word: DENNIS!

    The race to determine who will succeed John Kasich as Governor of Ohio has finally become interesting for progressives. On the Republican side, the front running ticket is clearly Mike Dewine, the current Attorney General, with Secretary of State Jon Husted as his running mate for Lieutenant Governor. Dewine is basically another Kasich, a sane Republican with some heart. Husted, whose voter suppression policies have gone far enough to be struck down in court a few times, is basically Mike Pence Jr. when it comes to the issues. Enough said, methinks.

    Until recently, the Democratic primary had an empty skirt of a Congresscritter, Betty Sutton, who sponsored about as many bills as Obama did(ie very few) and nearly always voted with Pelosi and crew. The others were fairly unknown outside of their localities plus an Ohio Supreme Court Justice who was about as liberal as Justice Kennedy at the federal level. Harrumph.

    Then Richard Cordray resigned as head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and jumped in. He’s got the full backing of the Obama Democratic establishment plus Elizabeth Warren, and was considered the front runner from the get go. And then, just a few days ago, that adorable little gnome of democratic socialism, Dennis Kucinich, filed papers. He is expected to formally announce next week.

    Within two days, Sutton dropped out of the race and Cordray announced she was his running mate. Coincidence? I think not. The DNC types, who are backing Cordray, must have scrambled to find their brown pants after Dennis announced. Why? Because Dennis has a real chance this year, IMO, especially in a four or five way primary. And they hate Dennis Kucinich.

    Dennis Kucinich not only has name recognition statewide, he is respected by most voters, even Republicans, because he sticks to his guns, and he is absolutely loved in Cuyahoga County. If there is, say, a 70% voter turnout here, which has happened before, he would win the primary, period. Almost immediately, rumors started swirling that Dennis wants Nina Turner to be his running mate. Since Nina is absolutely adored by the African American community and respected by most of the white one in northeast Ohio, the forces backing Cordray probably panicked. I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama his own self made a phone call to Betty Sutton, telling her to hook up with Cordray pronto. I’m not saying he did, but Obama is no fan of Kucinich.

    After all, he promised Kucinich he’d expand funding for NASA Glenn in Cuyahoga County if Dennis voted for Obamacare, and after Dennis did so(to my disappointment), turned around and didn’t even peep in protest when Dennis’ district was gerrymandered out of existence. Then he let funding for NASA Glenn get cut without any protest at all less than a year later. At least, that’s how most local Democrats think it played out.

    A Kucinich/Turner ticket would run strongly in northeastern Ohio and in all of the college towns in the primary, and would even get some independents to register as Democrats and vote for them, not because they agree with them on nearly all of their political positions(for the record, I do), but because they are genuine people who aren’t bought by big money. It all comes down to turnout this May.

    Now it’s interesting for me. There will be four votes from this household for Dennis. Mrs. Barbarian already told her grown kids if they don’t vote for Dennis they need to find another place to live. Don’t worry, it’s just a threat against laziness. Think any non-progressives could live with me?

    Anyway, @scuba, @thompaine, it looks like I will be participating in Democratic Party politics this year after all. @marym625, once Kucinich gets a site up and running that will take small donations I’ll let you know. It will be good to see DENNIS! bumper stickers again.

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    • 3FingerBrown (535 posts)
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      1. I would love to see a Kucinich/Turner ticket

      if for no other reason than to watch the pathetic democratic leadership crap themselves.

    • Scuba (4470 posts)
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      2. +1 for Dennis, + another for PROGRESSIVE Democrats.

      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        4. Cordray and Sutton had an event today. They talked about making it work for

        ALL Ohioans, said they would run on “kitchen table issues,” and other such moderate blather with no specifics, probably for good reason. There are very few specifics on either one of them, much like a Senator from Illinois in 2008. My DLC slime detector went off.

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        • Betty Karlson (4322 posts)
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          11. So the Tone-deaf Tour has already begun, then?

          "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
          • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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            19. Correct.

            The empty Third Way blather begins. I’m not going to speculate on whether or not Cordray can beat Dewine in the general. We’re not there yet. I will say that Dennis could beat him this year. Ohioans are understandably upset at the Establishment. And Dennis, whatever else anyone can say about him, is definitely not Establishment.

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        • Enthusiast (11087 posts)
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          14. Not a peep about Medicare For All from Cordray?

          :roflmao:

          What an excellent litmus test.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
          • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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            20. Not even a cheep. Kucinich, as you know, has been calling for something like

            that for decades.

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    • duckpin (5818 posts)
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      3. First word: Dennis!…Second word: Donate!

      Lifelong socialist from the city: What’s not to like? And, among other things, he kept the municipal power company from falling into the privateers’ hands while he was mayor. (I’ve donated to him before & will again)

      "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        5. Our electric bills are still lower than in many other large cities, all because

        Dennis refused to privatize Cleveland Public Power when he was mayor and no one else has dared to try since. I will do what I can. I’m sure @enthusiast and other JPR Ohioans will as well.

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        • duckpin (5818 posts)
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          6. He was my first choice to succeed W and I plan to donate my little

          bit to him again. I know a little about Ohio, our daughter went to college in the western part of the state.

          "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
          • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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            7. Really? Which one?

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    • eridani (2929 posts)
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      8. I was on his mailing list. Wondering why he hasn't used it yet n/t

      You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        21. Patience. It will come. He doesn't even have a website up yet. I'm sure that

        will change shortly.

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    • Deadpool (12274 posts)
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      9. On the Daily Radical!

      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        22. Thanks for the exposure. I'm pretty sure most JPR members agree with Dennis

        on most things. About your sig line, I prefer Maine coons.  :evilgrin:

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    • Betty Karlson (4322 posts)
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      10. Dennis and Nina joining forces? In swing state Ohio?

      And giving the Dem establishment and the GOP equal measures of “uh-oh”?

       

      Yes please!

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • RufusTFirefly (2724 posts)
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      12. I've said before, but I'll say it again: I think this is a great fit for Dennis

      Local working class kid with a track record that clearly demonstrates he has the courage of his convictions. Although I supported him for President, I think he was born to be governor.

      Not sure about Nina as lieutenant governor though. It’s not because I don’t think she’s up to the job. On the contrary, I’m confident she would be. I just worry that being lieutenant governor will actually take her out of the spotlight and stall her momentum. She has a rapidly growing national following. I’d hate to see her limited to Ohio.

      But if they do team up, I think they’ll do great things for the state.

      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        23. I understand your concern, and I don't even know if the rumor is true.

        But it wouldn’t surprise me. Nina would also run against police brutality in general. There’s way too much of that here, as in the rest of the country, and most of the victims of it are white. Is Nina smart enough to note that? You know damned well she is.

        She was exceedingly popular when she introduced a bill for all whose incomes were paid by the State be subjected to drug testing, starting with state legislators, when the Republicans tried to pass a bill requiring drug testing for food stamp recipients. They dropped it like a hot rock. Most Republican voters here liked that idea. Thought it was funny, and it was.

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    • Robbins (434 posts)
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      13. remember

      dennis is by his own words a fdr democrat as he stressed over and over during many 2004 primary debates which i saw and he was allowed in and were on c-span. he is true anti-war and anti-free trade bills.

      he isn’t liked by the corporists from his time as mayor. remember they locked him out of 2008 primary debates. even though he told his supporters in iowa if he wasn’t viabe to back obama Obama showed no love for him selling him out and standing by as he was forced out of congress.

      while neoliberals will cry he defended trump on fox. he has never changed his views. he spoke out against deep state on fox. he is no friend to trump’s agenda.

      heads would explode on su if he won nodd and had nina turner as his running mate.

      dems haven’t grasped people are pissed about free trade bills killing jobs and working class. i say dems who support free trade bills like nafta and tpp are anti-union.

      My grandfather looking down on me would be upset with me if i didn’t support unions as he was lifelong teamster and dem.

      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        15. I agree wholeheartedly. Still don't know yet if Nina will run with him; we'll

        see.

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        • Robbins (434 posts)
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          18. yeah

          i don’t know if she will do it. she may want to run our revolution till 2020. but i would be something if she did.

    • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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      16. UPDATE

      From OSU Radio, hat tip to @landofenchantment for bringing this to my attention today:

      Former Cleveland mayor, U.S. Rep. and two-time presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich confirmed rumors on Thursday by announcing his campaign for governor. He becomes the sixth Democrat in the primary.

      <snip>

      Kucinich joins former Consumer Financial Protection Bureau chief Richard Cordray, Ohio Supreme Court Justice Bill O’Neill, former state Rep. Connie Pillich, Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, and state Sen. Joe Schiavoni in the Democratic primary for governor. Former U.S. Rep. Betty Sutton was also running, but this week joined Cordray’s campaign as his lieutenant governor pick.

      The last paragraph needs a correction. Nan Whaley withdrew the same day Betty Sutton joined Cordray, and endorsed Cordray. The DNC types are circling the wagons. I’m sure there will be tremendous pressure on the remaining two to drop out and back Cordray. No matter. Bring it on!

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      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        17. Dammit! That captcha thingie popped up again.

        @mannygoldstein, what’s up with that?

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        • mrdmk (481 posts)
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          24. Been popping up for me also. Just been going along with it… n/t

          k & r

    • Iwillnevergiveup (754 posts)
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      25. Let's just hope

      other Ohio deplorables follow Issa’s example – SCOOT!

      Ohio deserves better – Dennis, hurry and get the fundraising bat up.

      We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.     Native American Proverb
    • FloridaProg (475 posts)
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      26. Hope you make some good contacts.

      We need people who would be interested in moving beyond the corporate two-party system. Finding others you can work with, beyond those of whom you already know, who want to create a better alternative to the status quo is generally always a good use of time.

      #DEMEXIT asap if you haven't already. It's your duty as a citizen.
      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        27. That's true. Contrary to what the neoliberal Democrats want us to believe,

        Dennis has very strong support in the local black community. Most of my coworkers are black, and many are excited about Dennis’ candidacy, saying things like “I hope he wins. He’ll shake things up. Their heads will explode! I’m votin’ for Kucinich, bro.”

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        • FloridaProg (475 posts)
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          28. Wishing you the best!

          #DEMEXIT asap if you haven't already. It's your duty as a citizen.
    • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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      29. Oh noes, the rightwing press is already sounding the alarm.

      Check this article from the Washington Examiner out.

      If Kucinich is elected governor of Ohio, he would become the first vegan governor of the United States. Unless, of course, a guy like Gov. Andrew Cuomo, D-N.Y., beats him to the punch. In terms of pushing their values onto the rest of the public, the Kuciniches might try to turn Ohio vegan … or make them do cross-fit. Either way, if Kucinich is elected governor, you’re all going to hear about their new diet and workout regimen.

      The first part is a story that I cannot independently verify that actually praises Dennis for his courage for standing up to the mafia when he was Mayor of Cleveland in the 1970’s. I’d never heard that there was a hit man after him because he refused to privatize the electric utility. That part may be pure bullshit, just like my quoted paragraph is. Kucinich may be vegan, but he would never try to impose his dietary beliefs on the public.

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      • Populist Prole (856 posts)
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        30. OMG

        They’re worried about his taste in food…and that he’ll enforce veggie food fascism? That’s the logic of an 8 year old.

        No fan of the previous president, but I did remember RW-ers lambasting his choice of beer, blue Moon, a Belgian wheat style. Real men wear camo, their goateed faces squinting menacingly at us as they careen their lift-kitted Dodge Rams to go grab a well done steak smothered in ketchup and wash it down with a can light beer.

        • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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          31. Steak smothered in ketchup! Blasphemy! The native Texan in me thinks of that

          as a hanging offense. Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump put ketchup on a perfectly good steak like a child might. Wheat beer isn’t my favorite, but yeah, I see your point. Interesting that the worst they can say about him is that he is a vegan and Beware the Food Nazi! They didn’t even attempt to challenge him on the issues of today.

          Cordray will try to avoid that as well. He’ll talk unity and working together and unicorns and rainbows and working with business to create a better world for all and other neoliberal fantasies. Which leads me to an interesting thought.

          It is a tradition for the City Club of Cleveland to host a debate of each party’s gubernatorial candidates when there is a primary. It’s expected. That debate might be a fun one to watch.

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          • Populist Prole (856 posts)
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            33. Actually, from what I've read

            Trump actually does eat his steak well done and with ketchup. Two strikes.

            • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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              34. WELL DONE! Heresy. Where is that damned Spanish Inquisition, anyway?

              They’re never around when you need them.

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              • Peace Patriot (3079 posts)
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                35. Here ya go!

                 

                • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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                  37. My favorite!

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    • Silver Witch (5913 posts)
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      32. Hope he is not collecting via that blue site only…

      I refuse to donate to any candidate using ActBlue….and glad I don’t live in Ohio – because I won’t vote for ANYONE that runs as a democratic candidate, that includes Bernie, as it will give the party something to crow about when the candidate wins.

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • Peace Patriot (3079 posts)
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        36. I'm with you on ActBlue, SW! Thanks for the info they give vig to DNC.

        But I’m not with you on never voting Democratic under any circumstances.  I would most certainly vote for Dennis Kucinich and/or Nina Turner as Democrats, Republicans or any other party label they ran with.  And the same goes for Bernie Sanders, maybe 1,000 x more!  It is completely immaterial to me.  The election system is complex, difficult, expensive and riddled with blockades to 3rd parties and indies.  I leave that to their judgment.  They have to do the running.  I judge candidates as individuals.  I might even vote Republican if the Republican was better than the DINO on the issues and was, in my judgement, telling the truth (and, if both are unacceptable, I’d vote 3rd party, or write-in).  And you wouldn’t vote for a Republican…because Bush…because Trump?  Your rule is not a wise rule, in my view.  I keep my options open to use my vote judiciously.

        Do you realize what it would mean if we can elect Bernie President in 2020?  It would mean that HE would be the leader of the Democratic Party!  He would choose its leaders.  He would set the rules.  He would set the public policies.  He would democratize it.  HE would have the power.

        And all those Clintonbots and “consultants” and “lobbyists” would have to go lusting after dollars in the Republican Party, where they belong.

        I’m thinking the same about Ohio.  If Ohioans can elect Kucinich, think what that would mean both for the Ohio Democratic Party and the national party.  It would be transformative.

        It’s seems to me a really lame reason to “never” vote Democratic that DINOs might crow and take credit.  So what?  They can crow all they want from the bottom of the cliff they’ve been kicked off of.

        You seem to be reacting to leaders not members.  I’m with you on utter disgust, loathing and rage at the Democratic Party leadership.  But, to me, it’s still the party of FDR.  It’s still the party that a lot of people belong to because it is the party of FDR.  The current leadership is an aberration – a really weird and difficult and long-lasting aberration, but an aberration nonetheless.  Me?  I’m only a nominal Democrat at this point (after more than 50 years’ of membership, support and voting).  I’ve had it with them.  I haven’t changed my registration because I don’t want to get purged from the voting rolls or find that I can’t vote.  But I DO support the many passionate people involved in agitating within the party for  transformation.  I think that CAN happen, but it’s going to take some victories – like this one in Ohio and like Bernie in 2020.   And I DO support and will vote for, when given the chance, candidates who are genuine Berniecrats.

        (Edit:  wording.)

        • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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          38. Well said. Totally agree.

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      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        39. As of yesterday Dennis didn't even have a campaign page up yet. I would be very

        surprised if he only accepted donations thru ActBlue or something and did not have a way to give directly to his campaign. In fact, I anticipate ActBlue would give only to Cordray, though they might surprise me. I will only donate directly to the Kucinich campaign.

        As for not voting for any Democratic Party candidate, I must emphatically disagree. That would not only bar me from voting for Dennis, for whom I have great respect and admiration, but for Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner as well. In Texas, it would prevent people who agree with him for voting for Beto O’Rourke, a Jim Hightower-type populist Democrat who has a very real chance of ridding the Senate of the abominable Ted Cruz.

        Like @thouartthat has said, this citizen no longer votes for parties, only candidates. While I understand and respect your position, I cannot in good conscience make it my own.

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    • Stryder (350 posts)
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      40. I'm all in.

      OH 7

      • Ohio Barbarian (6443 posts)
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        41. Good video. Thanks for the edition. This was important, and the beneficial

        effects of Kucinich’s stand are still with us today.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.