Open season on Tulsi Gabbard

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  • #193419

    HassleCat
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    Hillary is being hailed as a hero for preemptively blocking Tulsi Gabbard from carrying out the Russian plan to run as a third party candidate. There are all sorts of posts bragging on the wonderful, brilliant Hillary, as well as posts trashing Tulsi. They pretty much agree that Tulsi is not a Real Democrat, so it’s okay to bash her on a website that prohibits candidate bashing. The No True Scottsman fallacy is not exclusive to Trump followers. In fact, Hillary worshippers remind me of Trump fans, the way they ignore faults and insist their goddess is always right, no matter what sort of unsupported speculation She puts forth. They claim to be Democrats, but they’re just the Cult of Hillary, with no regard for the fact that Hillary is fomenting serious turmoil within the party by coyly almost-naming candidates as Russian assets.

  • #193482

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    A friend of mine on FB, who is a Conservative, tried to post an article about her on his FB twice and tried to defend her. It was removed.

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  • #193490

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    They (SV) have had a hate on for Tulsi since before she was elected the first time.  But then, they don’t think too deeply over there.

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  • #193494

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    SV suspends the rules about not attacking fellow Democrats during its primary season, and selectively enforces them the rest of the time. Why trouble yourself about such a disingenuous site? Once I finally realized they did not intend to enforce their own TOS regarding Sanders before the primary season began – I knew the place I had called home, no longer was; and that was a good thing. I enjoy visiting there now for free without clicking any ads, just to see how low they will eventually sink.  My only regret is that I ever donated a cent to that place.

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      They’re a hate group.

  • #193496

    Piperay
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    I almost had to throw up after a visit to SV and saw the trashing of Tulsi, it’s sickening. If anyone feels different it would be suicidal to post their opinion on that oh so “tolerant” site! 😡

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  • #193561

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    The owners of SV are beholden to the Clinton machine.  I believe, the same can be said of Kos.

    Their sites are bubbles.  Pop.

  • #193948

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    The No True Scotsman fallacy definitely applies Over There, in spades. I do remember reading some posts months ago saying that at least Tulsi was better than Bernie because he is not a “real Democrat.” Now their Goddess of Elitism smears Gabbard, and all the sudden Tulsi isn’t a “real Democrat.” See how easily the goalposts move?

    My guess is it won’t be long before AOC and Rashida Tlaib are no longer “real Democrats.” Michael Moore had already attained that lofty status when he said Biden was unelectable.

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  • #194730

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    The Real Trouble With Tulsi

    https://www.thenation.com/article/clinton-tulsi-gabbard/

    Gabbard’s hawkish nationalism, with a strong undercurrent of Islamophobia, has manifested itself in many forms. Like the reactionary right, she frames the problem of terrorism in religious terms and mocked Barack Obama for his refusal to say “radical Islamic terrorism.” Gabbard opposed the Iran nuclear deal. She’s worked to limit the number of Muslim refugees America takes in. She’s also celebrated authoritarian leaders who have cracked down on political Islam, ranging from Egyptian dictator Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    These are all positions that bring her in alignment with the Trumpian right, a congruence she has occasionally pursued by trying to work with reactionaries. In the early days of the Trump administration, she met with the president and there was talk of her being offered a position in his government. Erstwhile Trump adviser Steven Bannon talked up Gabbard, saying he “loves her” and “she gets the foreign policy stuff, the Islamic terrorism stuff.” The rumored position never materialized, but she was clearly more open to engaging with Trump than were almost all other Democrats.

    Gabbard is the farthest thing from being a Russian asset. She is someone who has let her understandable and justified anti-war instincts take her to a narrow nationalism.

    The proper contrast is not Gabbard with Hillary Clinton but Gabbard with Bernie Sanders. Sanders is equally anti-war, but is crafting a foreign policy based on constructive engagement with the world through diplomacy and working on shared problems like climate change.

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    • #194896

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      Hawkish nationalism? Seriously? She’s hawk against terrorism.

      Nutty beheaders paid and armed by Erdogan robbing and murdering Kurds and other libertarian socialists as we speak, because of their nutty religious reasons, so why shouldn’t they be called radical islamists or worse? Is the writer actual supporter of the beheaders, like Clinton? Sounds like it.

      Gabbard supports Iran deal: https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-iran

      In all interviews Gabbard speaks about meeting other leaders with aloha, including dictators. That’s called diplomacy.

      Sanders supports regime change ideology and gives legitimacy to regime change wars. On Syria, Sanders says that Assad needs to be “phased out” through diplomacy with Russia and Turkey. Saying dumb shit like that just shows how incompetent Sanders is in foreign policy. It’s not up for Sanders – or Putin – to decide over who is president of Syria. It’s up to Syrian people, end of story. Would be Putin’s answer. You can’t do diplomacy with Assad if you try to get rid of him with regime change. And you can’t help Kurds to get better deal with Assad, so that they are protected from Turkey and can have enough autonomy so that they can continue their social revolution, if you don’t do diplomacy also with Assad.  Tulsi is the only candidate who has sane position on Syria. Sanders’ incompetence in foreign policy and support for regime change policies creates the expectation that foreign policy would continue basically same, handled by deep state handlers.

      Four paragraphs of baseless smears and lies. Worth posting how?

      Edit to add: https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-islamfighting-islamophobia

       

       

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  • #194831

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    Without Sanders as the candidate there’s a real chance, imo, of Trump doing the trolling on election night 2019, and him shouting out a thank you to Hillary Clinton for having rallied so many people against the Democrats.

    The Clinton campaign of 2016 might be featured prominently in federal prosecutor Durham’s upcoming report of his lengthy investigations. And that would mean Clinton would see the limelight beckoning to her again, and her wanting the party to circle its wagons around her. They painted themself into a corner with their prior enabling of Clinton’s delusions, and lies. Bernie, and Tulsi, are free of being obligated to Clinton.

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/

  • #195135

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    Going after Gabbard is the warm-up for going after Bernie.  And Bernie is still my only pick. Number one, number two, number three, number four.    No matter what.  As a former IT worker, Gabbard’s desire to increase H-1b visas put her out of the running for me a while back.  Anyone who calls that racist, as if I would be fine with those jobs going to Finland or Wales, can kiss my ass.  And that is set in stone, no need to argue or whatever about that.  And I do not think a president is going to single-handedly disrupt the MIC and CIA – that is a fairy tale.

    I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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    • #195158

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      @djean111 Well, they’ll certainly going after Bernie now, after his pre-emptive strike defending Tulsi from Hillary’s “outrageous” slander. Bring them on, I say. This is a fight Bernie will win in the court of public opinion.

      Furthermore, Warren’s reaction, or lack thereof, will tell us a lot about where her true loyalties lie.

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      • #195211

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        My bet is Warren will either say nothing or say she won’t let this be a distraction.  Something safely non-committal.  I don’t think there is any question about where Warren’s true loyalties lie, any more.  Markets.  Capitalism.  The MIC.

        I do not have a #2 choice in this election.  Sad, really!

        I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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  • #195209

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    Full blown McCarthyism.  Glen Beck level conspiracy nonsense.

    The same self-insulated group-think that lost to Trump is ready to do it again.

    Be the Change

    • #195233

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      @averagegazoo Indeed they are. Just one more reason to take them on and defeat them.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #195832

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    Guardian: Hillary Clinton’s attacks on Tulsi Gabbard are embarrassing

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-embarrassing-paranoid

    But it was typical Clinton. Paranoia about Russian influence has been ubiquitous among the Clinton set since 2016, in part because it helps to explain how the loss to Donald Trump wasn’t really Clinton’s fault. Liberals in the media like Rachel Maddow openly admit to having an obsession with Russia, and end up seeing the hands of Vladimir Putin on everything. Clinton herself has had trouble coming to terms with her loss. Even though accounts from inside the campaign confirm that Clinton barely knew why she was running for president, couldn’t craft any kind of message, and made laughably overconfident decisions about where to campaign, her campaign memoir was less a mea culpa than a j’accuse. It pointed fingers at Sanders and James Comey, and ended up sounding a lot like the Onion’s parody title: We All Made Mistakes But You Made Most Of Them.

    Years later, Clinton has learned seemingly nothing. Elsewhere on the podcast episode in which she made the accusations against Gabbard, Clinton blames fake news, foreign interference and voter suppression for undermining democracy and keeping Democrats out of power. Those are factors, but the big one is the one that Gabbard herself identified: the “rot that has sickened the Democratic party for so long”. Clinton practiced a corrupting and duplicitous form of politics that made many would-be Democratic voters feel completely unrepresented by the party. But instead of spending her time in the woods doing some soul-searching, Clinton has evidently spent it cooking up new conspiracy theories about the all-powerful Putin.

    Tulsi Gabbard is completely right about what Clinton represents. Clinton was the Democratic party at its absolute worst: pro-war, pro-Wall Street, self-enriching, inept, devoid of any transformative vision and contemptuous of ordinary people. It’s very clear that Sanders would have been the smart choice in 2016, and Gabbard was one of the few Democratic officials to recognize that at the time and endorse him. Actually, that was courageous of her – most Democratic officials, even those whose politics should have aligned them more closely with Sanders than Clinton, were too timid to buck the establishment and risk their career by potentially getting on the wrong side of an incoming Clinton administration.

    That’s not to say that Gabbard herself should be the future of the Democratic party. Far from it: while Gabbard has made a big deal of her anti-war stance, she has embraced the vicious Indian nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, and been far more hawkish and softer on torture than she would like progressive voters to believe. Her willingness to criticize the “rot” in her own party may make Gabbard a refreshing presence on the debate stage, but no serious leftist can support someone who spent the Obama years echoing Republican talking points about “radical Islam”. She’s still no “useful idiot”, and even with her flaws she is preferable to truly intolerable candidates like Buttigieg and Joe Biden. If we were (God forbid) somehow faced with the choice between Tulsi Gabbard and Amy Klobuchar, the country would be far better off in Gabbard’s hands.

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  • #195925

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    @eridani Lol, I had to find that Onion piece.

    https://politics.theonion.com/new-clinton-memoir-we-all-made-mistakes-but-you-made-1819580228

     

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/

  • #197011

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    I despise Trump and Clinton but in general Trump supporters are more down to earth and less full of themselves than many Clinton supporters.

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