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    • #367806
      Snort McDork
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      As the Green Party fights in court to stay on the ballot in key swing states less than 50 days before the election, many veteran environmental activists and climate scientists are taking an unprecedented step — pleading to a constituency that has long been key to the party’s electoral efforts to eschew casting a “protest vote” for the Greens this year and instead cast their ballots for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

      More than 170 top environmental leaders, including the founder of Earth Day and other longtime activists, signed a letter arguing that the planetary stakes are simply too high to risk a third-party vote that could tip the presidential election in President Trump’s favor. They argue that it happened in 2000 and 2016, and say “pious gestures” at the polls this year could have “catastrophic results.”

      “Twenty years ago, the Green Party snatched the White House from a climate-change leader and handed it to George W. Bush,” the letter states. “In Florida, no less than 97,488 progressive voters snubbed Al Gore for Ralph Nader, letting Bush win the state, and therefore the presidency, by 537 votes, or so the Supreme Court ruled.”

      https://truthout.org/articles/over-170-environmentalists-sign-letter-urging-against-green-party-protest-vote/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9ef8c39a-d3e9-4206-be12-e7cfa43e5068

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    • #367816
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      @snortmcdork

      Hi smd,

      Yep – Democrats still pushing the “lie” that Greens stole the 2000 election from Gore.

      “AP: A vote-by-vote review of untallied ballots in the 2000 Florida presidential election indicates George W. Bush would have narrowly prevailed in the partial recounts sought by Al Gore, but Gore might have reversed the outcome – by the barest of margins – had he pursued and gained a complete statewide recount.”

      Source: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

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    • #367819
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      can just fuck right off.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

      • #367838
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    • #367824
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      Its always someone else’s fault.

      Shillary comes to mind for some odd reason.

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    • #367825
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      And voting Green is not a “protest vote” – as if not voting red or blue was somehow required, and people voting Green were being disobedient.

      “Pious gesture”??????  Nader cost the election?  Oh, they can fuck right off.  All this for someone who promises to continue fracking, and sneers at a Green New Deal.  And who is so NOT going to implement anything that he plagiarized, er, borrowed from an entire program from the UN – “Building Back Better” – from 2015.  Just a bunch of campaign rhetoric.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Back_Better

      <b>Building Back Better</b> (BBB) is a program that was first officially used in the United Nations’ Sendai Framework for Disaster Risk Reduction document, which was agreed on at the Third UN World Conference on Disaster Risk Reduction held on March 14–18, 2015, in Sendai, Japan. The UN General Assembly adopted this document on June 3, 2015.

      During the negotiation period for the Sendai Framework, the concept of “Build Back Better” was proposed by the Japanese delegation as a holistic concept which states: “The principle of ‘Build Back Better’ is generally understood to use the disaster as a trigger to create more resilient nations and societies than before. This was through the implementation of well-balanced disaster risk reduction measures, including physical restoration of infrastructure, revitalization of livelihood and economy/industry, and the restoration of local culture and environment”. The concept was fully agreed as one of the most important concepts among each state’s delegates and embedded into the Sendai Framework.

      BBB is an approach to post-disaster recovery aimed at increasing the resilience of nations and communities to future disasters and shocks.<sup id=”cite_ref-1″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup> The BBB approach integrates disaster risk reduction measures into the restoration of physical infrastructure, social systems and shelter, and the revitalization of livelihoods, economies and the environment.<sup id=”cite_ref-2″ class=”reference”>[2]</sup> It was adopted by UN member states as one of four priorities in the Sendai Framework for disaster recovery, risk reduction and sustainable development.<sup id=”cite_ref-UNISDR_framework_3-0″ class=”reference”>[3]</sup>

      For fuck’s sake.  Enough already.  Nope.  And again and again, if Biden is so popular, why all this vote for the blue, swallow! stuff.

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    • #367837
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    • #367842
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      ..that Jimmy Dore keeps playing where Biden says he won’t ban fracking.

    • #367853
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      They let Howie Hawkins respond to this plea to vote for the status quo. The saddest part is the 18 year old climate activist voting for Biden because he’s been suckered into thinking we can somehow “hold Biden’s feet to the fire.” They also point out that Biden’s climate plan in the platform, while being better than Trump’s simply because it exists, is woefully inadequate.

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    • #367880
      incognito
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      Are they the “environmentalists” from “Planet of the Humans” bought off by big oil corporations? Are Bill McKibben and Josh Fox on that list?

      The environmental movement is now a fucking SCAM. They’re bought and paid for by BIG OIL.

    • #367883
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      Truthout has sold out and is as far as I can see Is on Bidens campaign team, for all the vote biden tweets I am seeing.  Moore nailed it and this is just proof of that!

      Earthartist

    • #367886
      incognito
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      @earthartist

      the environmental movement went after Michae Moore immediately after he released that movie, had nothing but GUILT written all over it.

      They knew every word in that movie is true and were trying to stop that truth from reaching the masses.

      Don’t believe your lying eyes! We see it ALL in that movie. Even the Sierra Club and the freakin’ founder of EARTH DAY for crying out loud! 🤬

    • #367907
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      I’ll just vote for Trump. You don’t seem too concerned about that, do you? You still think Nader voters spoiled your deal. You think all of those 97,000 votes, every single one of them, rightfully belonged to you. You are not concerned about all the registered Democrats who voted Republican. Since that doesn’t bother you, maybe I’ll just do that. I know my vote rightfully belongs to Joe Biden, and I’m not allowed to vote third party, or not vote, so I’ll just vote for Trump. That didn’t bother you in the 2000 election, and it hasn’t bothered you in the 20 years since, so it won’t bother you now. Thanks, tree huggers, for showing me the way.

    • #367911
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      @incognito Exactly right. All of these now-establishment environmental organizations take money from the capitalists investing in “green” energy, and often from fossil fuel industries, too. They take donations from all sorts of foundations and wealthy people. The bloated salaries of their managers are paid for by that donor money far more than they are by individual donations, I’m sure. They’re not going to bite the hands that feed their cash flows, their international upper middle class lifestyles, and their own self-righteousness.


      @hasslecat
      A perfectly logical response to the Vote Blue No Matter Who chorus. I’ve used it myself. According to them, if you don’t vote, you’re a bad person because you are not fulfilling your civic duty. If you vote third party, you are either wasting your vote or being pious and selfish as there are only two possible winners. Therefore you must vote D or R.

      I respond that in that case, I’ll vote for Trump because 1) He’ll only have four years to fuck things up while Biden/Harris could easily have 8, 2) Trump’s gotten us into no new wars while Biden has never seen a war he didn’t like, and 3) At least Trump gave me $1200, which is more than any damned Democrat has ever done. Plus, I’m so sick of their nagging and bullshit self-righteousness that I’m tempted to vote for Trump just to piss them off.

      Then I ask them if they’d rather have me vote for Trump or vote third party. They usually just sputter and try to change the subject.

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    • #367932
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      It was My Tern, Damnit

      Illusion of Choice

      Hillary, as Security of State, racked up many IOU’s to be paid back when she became President. Luckily for us, she didn’t, so the IOU’s could not not paid back. We dodged a bullet here.

      Now we have a “choice” between Trump and Biden … Or is it between Trump and Kamala Harris? We  probably already know the answer to that one. Some people have been hankering for a woman president since Victoria Claflin Woodhull, ran for president in 1872. The gender is not the problem here.
      We also already know that Trump is a candidate for a Rubber Room. He is a known known, that has done a lot to destroy the credibility of the United States, never mind its citizens and the economy. Never mind what little that was left of our national trustworthiness.
      The effort needs to be to stop Donald Trump. And to stop the hyper partisan, Mitch McConnell, as well.
      A least the Democrats are not quite as bad as the Republicans yet. Put them on the spot. At least make them explain themselves.
      Until we can get a viable 3rd party, nation wide, our only real choice is between evil and a slightly lesser evil. Both parties are as corrupt as Hell.
      Our whole electoral system makes any 3rd world banana republic blush. A start to fixing it would be to let outside election monitors in to monitor our elections. Like that gonna happen any time soon.
      We treat our elections as we  treat most other countries elections. We make sure each election cycle goes farther to the Right – Even killing people if necessary to make it happen.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
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    • #367966
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      When I was with sierra club in Washington the head had been caught taking money for logging an old growth forest. Then he got caught taking money from the shellfish industry, then he was arrogant enough to use really abusive language with sexual over tones in a meeting. He is still their no longer the lead out in the open but most certainly still the head of Washington state sierra club.   I hate sierra club and will never work with any of the big greens ever again! 350 was my last attempt and I would say that some of the local groups are good they do not have financial links with 350 national or at least ours didn’t this was a pre rec for me being involved. I left because they refused to recognize the footprint of the Pentagon.

      Earthartist

    • #368016
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      If you look at their directives, and what they have done. It is almost always going after the “Little Guy”.

      The Paris Accords were watered down to the point of harmfulness due to Obama ensuring that there is no penalty for not reaching emissions goals. It became an influence peddling scheme that forces smaller countries to comply to stronger country’s demands to plunder their resources for cash. All Trump did by leaving it was lessening American influence and ability to negotiate for companies here.

      All they keep talking about is personal responsibility, what we as individuals should do to help the environment. Which is TINY in comparison to what factories, Defense Spending, manufacturers, and of course oil and natural gas actually do, who get protected by these jerks.

      I understand that emerging markets of alternative energies are not cost effective at this point, but that does not mean research and development there should stop. (I understand that much of it is involved in rare earth mining too, and this is going to be a mess, but doing nothing is also unsustainable.)

      Let’s get to something a little bit simpler. I do not trust the Democratic Party Establishment whose inaction on DAPL even when there were abuse and permanent injuries created towards the protesters, shows how little they actually care.

      Drilling expanded during Obama more than it did under Bush. Trump may be an asshole who trumpets anti-environmentalist stances, but when it comes to results, it effectively isn’t that much more, if at all.(He’s a failure in many ways).

    • #368159
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      they don’t believe in registering voters or inv voter outreach.

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    • #368186
      David the Gnome
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      @eridani

      Is that part of the platform or something, or did you just make it up?

      Voter outreach is a little difficult when the deck is stacked so high in favor of the two fake parties.  A billion dollars for an election?  Sure!  Why not 10?  Complete lack of integrity or diplomatic ability?  Yep!  Reform education by privatizing, kids in cages, drones, massive military budgets…

      Frankly, the “real parties” are A lot worse.

      • #368858
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        It took Socialist Alternative less than a year to put their Seattle-only database into operation, and they’ve elected Kshama Sawant to the Seattle City Council three times.  They had well over 400 volunteers, which is what you have to have if you take voter outreach seriously.  What it takes is the will to do extensive outreach to people who don’t already agree with you, which few minor parties are willing to do.

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    • #368197
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      voter outreach?  That is bizarre, really.  @eridani

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      • #368859
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        –which includes tens of thousands of precinct captains.  A party that doesn’t bother with precinct captains is not worth supporting.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #368215
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      I’ve voted Green on numerous occasions, including for Rebekah Kennedy, who holds the distinction of getting the greatest proportion of votes for a Green candidate  in a US Senate election (20+%) and the second-highest vote total ever for a Green candidate (second only to Medea Benjamin), http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2008/11/06/rebekah-kennedy-pulls-record-results-for-us-senate   But that was a long time ago, In the meantime, the Green left has fractured itself so much that unless a miracle happens, it will never amount to much.

      “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

    • #368255
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      Not sure where this comment is coming from really, when Jill ran people had signs and door knocked.  It is a tad risky to do it now! I have seen vote green signs out their in my community.  Is it a great team? No not in my opinion but it doesn’t have to be when you are running against piles of shit

      Earthartist

    • #368287
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      They happily parrot the talking points that reflect the group think of their buddies who studied political science.

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      djean111
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      Is the point you keep making about voter outreach just a comment, or are you advocating voting for the Democratic Party BECAUSE they have lots of money for voter outreach, regardless of how evil one considers them, given their records and deeds and even what they are proposing?  Is there a point at which we should just vote for the bestest voter outreach, and not care about their record?  THAT is my question.

      Is money more important to you than issues and records.  Would a Vichy Dem administration happily inflicting austerity and war – which they have said they will do – be acceptable because they have great voter outreach and lots of BIG money.  And, honestly, any party has to start somewhere.  I fully accept one of the two evils will win and make my life worse.  But why should I vote for that?  The very thought is ridiculous.


      @eridani

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    • #369119
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      I support Socialist Alternative because they do believe in voter outreach, which is a big switch from other local socialist splinter groups who would rather argue among themselves about Trotsky vs Lenin than talk to strangers who many not agree with them.  If you are a member of a political discussion board, of course you vote on issues–but most people aren’t, and don’t.  Which you would know if you ever did any doorbelling or phonebanking yourself.

      I could certainly afford a protest vote for Hawkins, as WA State is blue enough to survive that choice.  But I refuse to do it because the Greens have steadfastly refused to do voter contact.   A party without precinct captains is not a real political party.  Socialist Alternative does not bother running state or national candidates because they believe in first building local strongholds and then expanding them.  I have too many COVID risk factors to go to meetings, so I push them hard on the blog and newsletter to move more strongly into King County, of which Seattle is just a third.

      I don’t do principled voting–I do strategic voting.  I never expect any national candidate to be for what I want, so instead I ask the question “Under whose administration would I have the best chance at continuing to fight for what I want?”  There are good points to be made for either Trump or Biden here, but what there will never be is more than two national parties–at least while we continue to have first past the post elections. (The Republicans displaced the Whigs only because the latter were on their way out–not even nominating a presidential candidate in 1856.)

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      No, I do not phone-bank or ring doorbells.  I do talk to people in stores, people in line with me, cashiers.  A pittance, but sometimes quite gratifying.  I do not consider phone-banking or door-bell ringing efforts, no matter how massive, a reason to vote for anyone.  The Democrats get their money for all that from people who will hurt me.  And I suspect Pelosi and Biden and McConnell and the rest of our mostly corrupt government laugh merrily at the thought of  “strategic voting” and then have some more champagne and caviar and Jeni’s ice cream.  I also suspect that all the voter outreach does is get some people to the polls.  As you say, lots of voters do not know or care about the issues.  They just vote as they have always voted.  Perhaps a massive Uber effort would be just as effective in getting people to the polls.

      The woman running against Vern Buchanan, my district, has great voter outreach.  Mail, phone calls, ads, etc.  Her message – she cannot wait to be working across the aisle, even if that goes against her party.  Funny thing that, her party mostly does work across the aisle.  Very vague on issues, as is suitable for a Vichy Dem, I suppose.  Nothing but Trump! and across the aisle.  Which would seem to be not congruent, but hey, outreach.  I will leave that space blank, but I suspect she will go the way the last opponent of Vern’s did, down in flames after making his number one (and two and three and four, based on verbiage expended) issue giving more and more aid to Israel.  All the rest of his campaign, that I remember, was the usual DNC platitude stuff.  And attacking a guy who is fabulously wealthy due to his car dealerships for being rich – in a district loaded with rich people.  Could have told him that only works against other Democrats, like what the DNC did to Alan Grayson.  IMO the DNC is much worse to progressives than to Republicans.

      Strategic voting, IMO and all that, can be summed up in the words of that eminent political scholar, Sarah Palin – “How’s That HopeyChangey Stuff Working Out For Ya?”.     It did not work out, and it will not work out, hoping that Democrats will somehow get a heart.  They will not.  IMO the DNC wants just enough progressives in Congress to give false hope and garner strategic votes, but not enough to actually do anything that would hamper austerity and war.

      Even though you use “principled” as sort of an insult, I am not voting Green out of principle, but out of informed disgust for the Democrat party.  Issues and records.  Biden not even bothering to  lie about his intentions.  Already rattling sabers.  Already saying he will veto M4A, that our circumstances will not really get better, his advisor says sorry, cupboard is bare, don’t get your hopes up, Jamie Fucking Dimon, Zeke Emanuel, most likely the TPP  – really, there is no wiggle room there.  So – Green it is, knowing one of the two evils will win no matter what I do.  But I won’t be part of the “well, this is a mandate because you voted for me” contingent.

      I consider voting for Biden as voting for war and austerity.  “American carnage”.  Eight years of it, no matter what happens with Biden, there is an eager line of Vichy Dems waiting to take his place.  Won’t vote for Trump, either.  Let the people who honestly think things will get better, or perhaps a more realistic hope, not much worse, vote for the Two Major Parties.  All the voter outreach in the world is not going to convert a Trump voter.  The Dems did not do them any good, and most likely they have always voted GOP anyway.  Also I suspect the Dems are fine with Trump, as he is a fantastic fund-raiser – for the Democrats.  The rich don’t really care, as both parties truckle to them.  Biden, IMO, does not mean to roll back anything much.  If he pushes through – actually the TPP will slide easily and greasily into place – the TPP, any infrastructure work would be contracted out all over the world.  Corporations would be untouchable.  They could even sue countries for lost profits, if a country rejects their “business”.   That is the Brave New World the Dems stand for now.  So, nope.  Green.   Hoping to change the Democrats is tilting at windmills.  I can only be non-complicit.


      @eridani

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      • #370669
        eridani
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        –first past the post.  How does voting for guaranteed losers advance progressive causes?  Seattle has only two political parties at the moment.  One is the Democrats, and the other is Socialist Alternative. which gets a substantial amount of support from plenty of voters who otherwise identify as Democrats.  They displaced the Republicans as our second party because they have three times done massive voter outreach to elect socialist Kshama Sawant to the Seattle City council.  The way you get to afford to do national voter outreach is to start locally, and then expand your electoral base to the state level, and then further.

        BTW, voting for Hawkins is every bit as much a vote for American military dominance as a vote for Biden is because Hawkins is a guaranteed loser who will leave things exactly as they are.  The only way to change that situation is to have mass  movements that are as serious about that goal as black Lives Matter protesters are.  It can’t be changed simply by changing presidents.  Even Berie would not have been able to do it.

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        • #370717
          djean111
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          that.  Biden is laying out his plans for war and austerity.

          And ONCE AGAIN, I don’t think anyone here thinks the Greens will win the presidency.  So saying what Hawkins would or would not do seems pointless.  There is too much established money involved at this point in time.  What I do believe is that strategic voting in today’s quite undemocratic presidential elections is totally useless.  The two parties have ensured that.  As you say and say and say – voter outreach.  Plus voter manipulation and election rigging.  By both major parties.  All I can do is decline to take part in a farce.  @eridani

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #369251
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @eridani But thank you! You gave me an idea for Barbarian at the Gates. I had been drawing blanks. to @djean111 as well.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #369498
      Snort McDork
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      Though it does make me wonder after 2000 why the party is not as organized as it could be to be in winning position. Just wondering out loud here as to WTF is going on?

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

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    • #370737
      jerry611
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      I thought Joe was ahead by double-digits and heading towards a 400+ electoral landslide. I mean that’s what the pundits and Democratic analysts say on CNN and MSNBC.

      So why are environmentalists worried about the Green Party vote?

    • #370742
      MizzGrizz
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      @jerry611.

      Their internal polling probably doesn’t jibe with what they are feeding the media about Joe having it in the bag with a big lead.

      Michael Moore and Bernie are already warning the campaign,just like they warned in 2016–if you get that overconfident and write off an entire region of the country,you’re going to lose.

      So all of a sudden today they tell us Russia hacked the voter database.

      It’s CYA in case their man loses.They will blame those of us who vote for Hawkins.

      Ask me if I care how they’ll blame us.

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