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    • #445664
      lownslow
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      Will Schryver (@imetatronink) Tweeted:
      The myth of the Pandemic of the Unvaccinated is being dismantled brick by lying brick.

      An excellent new study out of Wisconsin demonstrates that (as many foresaw) the US is now well into a rapidly growing #PandemicOfTheVaccinated.

      -Short Thread-

      1/4 https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1438319994866069505?s=20

    • #445687
      Pam2
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      It’s a pandemic of people who gave up social distancing and other precautions.

       

    • #445689
      Satan
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      That cannot be blamed on the vaccinated, since fools like MoRon Death Sentence and Greg “even dumber than Perry or the Chimp” Abbott are both anti-vax AND anti-mask (or any other restrictions in the name of controlling the spread of the pandemic).

      Now that said, the CDC and governments in the SANE states were way too quick to jump the gun and lift all the masking & distancing things, the minute they had a 50% vaccination rate.  The situation definitely required a reasonable amount of time to see what the impact of the vaccinations were on the spread of the virus, before changing any of the other variables. Not that this would have mattered much in the idiot states where such things were never taken seriously in the first place, of course.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #445694
      HassleCat
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      The authors of the Dane County study say it’s important to get vaccinated, so maybe we’re reading too much into their findings.

      • #445729
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I’m sure this “study” just shows infection rates, not serious illness or death rates. Covid’s little more than a common cold, at worst, for the vast majority of vaccinated people. This is just more fearmongering by someone who wallows in such things.

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        • #445806
          lownslow
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          Findings:

          1) Asymptomatic fully vaccinated are carrying around extremely infectious high viral loads. You are MUCH MORE likely (82%) to contract Covid from an asymptomatic fully vaccinated person than from an asymptomatic unvaccinated person (29%).

          • #445810
            Ohio Barbarian
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            That has absolutely nothing to do with serious illness or death rates for the vaccinated, and that’s all I care about. It’s a coronavirus. You’re infected with some of them right now and exhibiting no symptoms whatsoever. Covid is no different when it comes to contagion, and only slightly more severe in symptoms after one has already had the disease and recovered or been vaccinated.

            For me, that’s both.

            You are fearmongering based on infection rates, as is the corporate media, because fear sells and a scared population is easier to control.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

          • #445903
            Sorbish
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            We get data on states, counties, and sometimes major urban centers. But that data is always presented in a manner that makes it impossible to identify WHERE the infections are occurring, for fear of harming businesses and stigmatizing people who are infected.

            As a result we tend to think of covid as something that’s mostly transmitted outside the home. Reported cases suggests 10% of the US has been infected. Secondary infection rates inside homes with an infected member run from 38% to 63% (see table 2 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6944e1.htm#T1_down)

            So in homes of the vaccine hesitant the greatest risk a person faces can’t be appreciated from national, state or county data. The greatest risks are from living with an infected person… people who we trust, and allow to be intimately close without masking.

            History doesn't repeat. We just make the same old mistakes in new contexts.

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    • #445745
      Hobbit709
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      You can still get COVID with the shot but you WON’T be on a ventilator.

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      • #445778
        jerry611
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        For most vaccines, the point of everyone getting vaccinated was so that we can reach herd immunity, and the virus is unable to spread and dies out. In order for that to happen, enough of the population has to be vaccinated. So there is an argument for mandating vaccination in this regard.

        However, these COVID vaccines we have now apparently don’t stop the spread of the virus. They also don’t last long enough. We are never going to defeat the virus with these. They only make the symptoms less severe to the individual who catches it. So that would suggest that the benefit is more individual than beneficial to the community.

        Instead of Fauci and Biden talking about the whole population being mandated at getting booster jabs every 6 months, maybe we should focus resources on finding a better vaccine and work at finding ways to actually reduce spread. These vaccines we have are good tools. But they aren’t the magic bullet. The government is going to be so invested in fighting for a vaccine mandate that the virus will continue to spread and mutate anyway. The pandemic will never end.

        • #445811
          Ohio Barbarian
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          There will be those who will perceive things as you do and not get the vaccine, and then be upset with vaccinated people for giving it to them! It’s everywhere. You will get it if you haven’t had it already. May as well get vaccinated so you don’t end up on a ventilator.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

          • #445868
            jerry611
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            Did people get the Polio vaccine so that they will only get a mild case? No. They got the vaccine so they won’t get it at all! And so not to spread it to anyone. But with these COVID vaccines, we have now changed the definition of what a vaccine is. Because these vaccines are not as effective at doing what a vaccine is supposed to do.

            • #445872
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              Covid’s more like influenza, and they haven’t come up with a one-time vaccine for that. The best we can do is limit symptoms, like with the flu shot for many people.

              It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

              You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

            • #445887
              Satan
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              Yeah, it was a serious disease that impacted a lot of people, not the least of which was the greatest American president of the 20th century.  But FDR was able to save the country from a wheelchair. Probably wouldn’t have been able to do that on a ventilator.

              If the medical science of today had been available when the polio virus was first discovered, they might well have rolled out a vaccine which lessened the impact of the disease – as opposed to full immunity – as a first step.  And then continued to work on a more “permanent” solution. Would that not be a logical course of action for ANY pandemic??

              "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

      • #445808
        lownslow
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      eridani
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      This inevitably means that cases among vaccinated people will rise.

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      • #445812
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Spot on.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #445893
      retired liberal
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      That should be important information. All three vaccines are different. Pfizer is the lightest. Moderna has over three times the active ingredient than Pfizer does. The Johnson & Johnson is a DNA vaccine, while the other two are mRNA vaccines.

      I wonder how much of the billions of dollars in profits Pfizer has made so far, has been spent on muddying the statistics to hide the real facts on which vaccine is actually better? Plus how much have they spent on lobbyists, in buying full approval?

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
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    • #445923
      Babel 17
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      It’s more like that they can give you the immune system response of someone young, in good health, whose body is capable of both rapidly subduing the virus, and not feeling crappy while doing so.

      Imo one of the bigger questions is how is the virus going to further mutate. Related to that is whether its ability to mutate is specifically connected to its origin.

      I’m also wondering as to just how often a person can get reinfected, and the effect that getting “bitten” by variants has on the immune system.

      If someone was infected in 2020 or early 2021, got vaccinated, and then got “bit” by a variant afterwards, would they be likely to be aware of that? Would that make them more immune to later variants, or would that only be the case if the later variants were like the Delta one?

      Are young people who mingle while maskless blowing through having been infected over and over?

      I guess only a whole lot of regular testing will keep us up to speed on what’s what. And hopefully the variants will settle down to abiding by the optimistic predictions that were getting passed around, and they’ll become a lot less deadly, even though more easily spread.

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