Pentagon: Revenue from Syria oil fields going to Kurdish-led forces

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  • #215200

    Ohio Barbarian
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    (The Hill) Revenue from oil fields that U.S. forces are protecting in northeast Syria will go to U.S. partner forces in the region and not the United States, the Pentagon’s top spokesman said Thursday.

    “The revenue from this is not going to the U.S., this is going to the SDF,” Jonathan Hoffman told reporters at the Pentagon, referring to the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces.

    President Trump last week gave the go ahead for an expanded military operation to secure expansive oil fields in eastern Syria, and the Pentagon has already sent new troops and armored vehicles to the area.

    The new plan backtracks on Trump’s original desire to pull all U.S. forces from Syria, and now has hundreds of U.S. troops protecting a stretch of nearly 90 miles from Deir el-Zour to al-Hassakeh that is currently controlled by Kurdish forces.

    Full story here.

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  • #215207

    elias39
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    That’s still theft. No law against that I guess.

    • #215434

      Voltairine
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      Not theft, in that case, as the revenue is going to Syrian people. It appears as US troops are just patrolling there, otherwise things continue as before, meaning that locals pump and sell the oil. And Trump was just blathering “good” PR for USA.

      Technically autonomous areas and and Damascus are still in civil war, even though they are militarily cooperating against Turkey and negotiating for peaceful settlement for future political system of Syria.

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      • #216165

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        @voltairine Just who are the “Syrian people?” The Kurds? I’m sure the legitimate government in Damascus doesn’t feel that way. The fact is American troops are safeguarding Syrian oil so that the profits derived from it will go to one faction of Syrians that is supported by the US Government.

        That’s like saying the Chinese can take over a West Texas oilfield and make sure the profits go to the Democratic National Committee. We Americans have no business in Syria, and never should have gone in in the first place.

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          Exactly.  ++++++++++

        • #217518

          Voltairine
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          @Ohio Barbarian

          Who are Syrian people? Syrian citizens who live in Syria, but don’t currently officially recognize the legitimacy of Assad Government and have their autonomous self-governance as Autonomous Areas of North-East Syria (AANES). The oil fields where US troops patrol are in the mainly Arab populated Deir-Ezzor province, under the jurisdiction of local council, so no, not “Kurds”.

          AANES is supported by local Syrian people, Damascus, Russia and USA in various, complex ways, militarily cooperating with Damascus against Turkey, Russia is active in brokering peaceful deal between Damascus and AANES for future of Syria, and oil fields and US presence are a negotiation chip – whether that is tactically smart, up to discussion. What US motives really are, nobody knows.

          Syrian people whom central government could not protect, needed and accepted all the help they could get to defend themselves from Salafist-Wahhabist jihadi bandits. As US adventurism has been main cause of instability, clearly they share moral responsibility, and in fact they have legal authority to fight terrorist entities on scale of IS when UN recognized central government is unable to do so. There can hardly be no more just war than fighting IS. That’s the only thing that US should have done militarily, and now they should, together with international community, provide diplomatic support for peaceful settlement between AANES and Damascus and end of Turkish occupation of Syrian territory. Tulsi Gabbard understands this perfectly, honorable and practical US foreign policy in Syria.

           

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          • #217529

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            Oh, so the Syrian people who support Assad are not the Syrian people? I should introduce you to some Syrian refugees who run produce stands at Cleveland’s West Side Market. Or come on over and meet them yourself. It’ll be quite the educational experience, I assure you.

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              @Ohio Barbarian

              Of for gossake, don’t play dumb, I just answered your question “Just who are the “Syrian people?”” these oil revenues are going to.

              The country is still in state of civil war, and the people who recognize legitimacy of Damascus are not the only “legitimate” Syrian people, as you seem to imply, and that people who don’t do so have no human value.

              There are Syrian people who now fight as jihadist proxies of Turkey, there are Syrian people who support the top down authoritarian regime of Damascus, there are Syrian people who prefer bottom up libertarian socialism, and there are millions of Syrian refugees.

              Which group of Syrians are the most progressive ones? Where is your solidarity? Why do you want that IS would have been able to slaughter them? Where is your human decency?

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              • #217850

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                @voltairine Don’t give me human decency, Finn. How many wars has my American government justified on various versions of human decency? 

                After it was revealed for all Americans that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, that our government had lied us into a war of conquest and occupation for the sake of imperial exploitation, the excuses for keeping our military in Iraq ranged from We broke it, we own it to We have to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan to show human decency for (fill in ethnic, religious or ID politics group here). 

                It will never end until we Americans make it end.

                If you want to continue participation in what were initially regime change wars in the name of human decency you lobby your own government for such intervention, not mine. I’ve been that sailor in the imperial navy that “policed” that part of the world in the name of the profits of the ruling elite. Like Tulsi Gabbard, I don’t want to see any more of my brothers-and-sisters-in-arms to be harmed for the benefit of that parasitical few. Her position on the regime change war issue resonates with most veterans, including some of those who voted for Trump for that reason and now find him wanting.

                We Americans have no credibility left in that part of the world, anyway. Everything we have touched has turned into merde. Somehow, I think the “locals” will manage things better on their own with the American Empire out of the picture, humanitarian aid via the UN excepted. Perhaps I have more faith and solidarity, and maybe even mutual understanding based upon the shared loathsomeness of war, with the Arab working classes than you do.

                Enough of us have died or been crippled. Enough citizens of various African and southwest Asian nations have perished or been crippled at our hands. It has to stop. The most efficient way to do that is a complete American military withdrawal. If other nations want to intervene in the quest of fulfilling some of their own imperial ambitions, well, it won’t work out for them, either. Their people should learn from American mistakes and stop their own ruling elites from trying to exploit the same lands that we did. It will not work out for them or their people.

                We Americans are living proof. And the mood of the American people is: We’re done. We’ve had enough of this shit. Delay just means more death for ordinary people everywhere and more profit for the vampires of various MIC’s. That’s partially why Trump won. It will be why Bernie wins and Tulsi’s rise to political power continues.

                As for military involvement in the rest of the world, that means, Sorry, you said Yankee Go Home, and we finally figured out that was good advice. We’re taking it. Y’all are on your own, with certain exceptions that need to be worked out publicly, upon which reasonable people all over the world can agree.

                Requiring my stepsons or any of their friends, some of whom are in active military service, to risk death in Syria, though? You have no right.

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                  No regime change. Just helping good, ordinary people to defend themselves against genocidal maniacs. Mission accomplished, no American lives lost.

                  I totally understand your lack of confidence in US foreign policy, that it could do anything good, and all the ulterior, nefarious motives from the cesspool of Washington in relation to Syria add insult to the injury. Yet, in this rare case, American soldiers did something good, and felt good about it.

                  I understand where you come from and how you feel. What hurts me is that you close heart to the Syrian people of AANES and condemn them as mere US puppets, not as fellow human beings with their own agency and own wishes and struggles to live free and in peace, to build a new kind of society we all could learn from. I care about these people very much, not in us-against-them way as they are not against anyone, and I wish them well. World is not just about America, other peoples lives matter too, their voices deserve to be heard together with other voices.

                  Last, as the people of AANES defended themselves against Salafist-Wahhabist terrorist ideology, they were also defending the whole world from the same ideology that murdered 3000 ordinary people in your country. It hurts me that you don’t recognize the sacrifice they have given to protect also you.

                  Aloha!

                  • #218649

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                    I don’t need the Kurds’ protection. I need my own government to stop funding the religious fanatics who persecute people like the Kurds, and then they’ll be just fine.

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                    • #218662

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                      In Syria, it’s now down only to Turkey that still keeps funding and arming jihadist proxies as well as directly supporting them with Turkish army. More generally, you need to get at the institutionalized corruption racket between MIC and Saudi, etc. direct and indirect support for Saudi regime that keeps on spreading Salafist ideology.

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  • #215273

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    Forget the people…protect the oil!

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    Aloha!

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