People worry that ‘moderate’ Democrats like Joe Biden are the same as Republicans. Our study suggests they may be right

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    • #355498
      N2Doc
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      Kevin Singer,Alyssa Rockenbach

      During an appearance on The View in June, former second lady Dr Jill Biden argued that as “a moderate,” her husband could sway voters who would have otherwise voted for Donald Trump. “When I was out there on the trail, a lot of people came up to me said, ‘Jill, I’m a Republican, but I’m going to vote for your husband because he’s a moderate,’” she added.

      She’s not the only one valorizing the moderate nature of the former Vice President. In an August 13th column in the New York Times, David Brooks argued that the moderate “forces that brought Joe Biden the nomination are far more powerful than a few extremists in Portland and even the leftist illiberals on campus,” adding, “If you look at who actually leads change over the course of American history, it’s not the radicals. At a certain point, radicals give way to the more prudent and moderate wings of their coalitions.”

      Others aren’t so sure that political moderatism is a virtue. When it comes to addressing climate change, Eric Levitz of New York Magazine argued that “a major [obstacle] is the tendency of moderate Democrats to mistake their own myopic complacency for heroic prudence”. Political researcher David Adler found that across Europe and North America, centrists are the least supportive of democracy, the least committed to its institutions, and the most supportive of authoritarianism. Furthermore, Adler found that centrists are the least supportive of free and fair elections as well as civil rights — in the United States, only 25 percent of centrists agree that civil rights are an essential feature of democracy.

      This finding dovetails with observations made by Martin Luther King Jr. in his letter from Birmingham Jail: “I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the… great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Klu Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice.” Even Arthur Books, a self-avowed moderate, admits to “the failure of the mainstream, moderate, progressive formula for how to create a more equal pluralist America,” adding, “I’m a moderate guy, but the evidence doesn’t support moderation when it comes to racial equity.”

      more

      https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/biden-moderate-democrats-republicans-conservative-study-john-kasich-aoc-a9699431.html

       

      Yep.

    • #355501
      Ohio Barbarian
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      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #355507
      doh1304
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      that reading The Lonely Crowd and Eichmann In Jerusalem  leads to the greatest existential dread a human can experience. Essentially it is the conclusion that man’s very nature as a social animal leads inevitably to a moral least common denominator. Every social group morally reduces to it’s worst member.

    • #355511
      closeupready
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      And if he and Jill are so proud of his appeal to Republicans, then let Republicans vote for Biden.  Problem solved.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #355516
      yourout
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      He qualifies as a moderate Republican not a moderate Democrat.

      He’s a far right wing Democrat.

    • #355530
      retired liberal
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      Joe Biden is a Right of Center Republican. He is not moderate in much of anything. At least as far as us members of the masses are concerned.
      Our political labeling is so screwed up, they mean nothing, except for the non-thinkers, which seem to be most of us.
      Nancy Pelosi is a far Left wing Liberal? Why? Because she has a (D) after her name. My imaginary cat can read and write too.

      I have read many times, our radical left members, as few as they are, are main stream in Europe and elsewhere. We still think the political center is midway between the Democrats and the Republicans. We call that location “moderate”. Never mind the Democratic party is encroaching on the far-right looney, La-La land of the worst of the main stream Republican leadership.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

    • #355531
      ravensong
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      Some people’s hot
      Some people’s cold
      Some people’s not very
      Swift to behold
      Some people do it
      Some see right through it
      Some wear pyjamas
      If only they knew it

      The pyjama people are boring me to pieces
      Feel like I am wasting my time
      They all got flannel up ‘n down ’em
      A little trap-door back aroun’ ’em
      An’ some cozy little footies on their mind

      Po-jama people!
      Po-jama people, people!
      They sure do make you sleepy
      With the things they might say
      Po-jama people!
      Po-jama people, people!
      Mother Mary ‘n Jozuf, I wish they’d all go away!

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

    • #355540
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @retiredliberal

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #355548
      RufusTFirefly
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      I thought Biden was running for Senate.

      People who continue to perpetuate this sort of destructive propaganda are eventually going to incur the wrath of Biden’s wife – I mean, his sister.

      Whatever.

    • #355668
      3fingerbrown
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      Joe Biden is a right wing republican and always has been. If you have any doubt about him than all you have to do is look at who he and his people are trying to attract the last couple months. All republicans, all the time.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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