Poll: How would you have me vote?

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How do you think I should vote in Ohio for President?

Please pick only one choice. The Greens' Howie Hawkins is a write-in candidate, and they'll never even publish how many votes he gets.

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    • #350808
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I live in Ohio, which looks to be a swing state this year, so I am going to ask JPR to tell me what I should do. I may even go with the majority here, because I’m undecided between three of the options myself right now, and I will factor in your opinions, because I think highly of you.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350817
      Pam2
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      ..but you could still vote down ticket and leave Pres. blank.

       

    • #350818
      NV Wino
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      I put Green. It might help them get on the ballot next time.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #350820
      elias39
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      I think it would be a quicker way to a viable 3rd party. Green is stale IMO. Libertarian? That would be my second recommendation. I think Libertarian could catch fire as a 3rd party in 8 years.

      I’ll be not voting in NH.

    • #350825
      Passionate Progressive
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      @elias39

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #350839
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I’ll actually be disappointed if I see no one urging me to vote for Biden. I can’t see how you vote, you know. This isn’t DU.

      I am leery of a write-in vote, and at least the Libertarians have the advantage of being antiwar, pro-pot, and a more visible fuck you to both major parties. However, I agree with the Greens on many more issues, and stridently disagree with the Libertarians on about half their platform.

      I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump, though when it comes to foreign policy I do believe he is truly the lesser evil. Those of you who feel that way, please feel free to check that box. Again, I can’t see how you vote in this poll. Really.

      Leaving the presidential line blank also has merit. It sends the message that I don’t recognize the validity of this farce of an election. So I remain undecided right now.

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350842
      alcina
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      as @pam2 suggested. At this point, I think trying to win the senate and add progressives to congress is more important than choosing which demented sock puppet gets to sit in the Oval Office.

      "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

    • #350843
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #350846
      Ohio Barbarian
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      But confusing me is the nature of your game, @satan .

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350852
      beeninthewoods
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      but be very vocal about it. Let everyone know that your decision to not vote has a purpose. You choose not to support evil. You do not consent to be governed by either of these fools. SHi# sandwich or urine soaked Cheerios? Neither! Voting for Biden is saying that it is ok for the Dem party to put someone up that wont even pay lip service to what the voters want.

      I have voted third party in the past. My concern is this- with all the vote rigging going on your vote may get flipped to someone you don’t support. In 2016 I knew lots and lots of people in MN who voted for Stein. Yet it didn’t show in the results. I swear they just flip half the green votes to Dem and half the Libertarian votes to R.

    • #350856
      Babel 17
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    • #350857
      revbones
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      As distasteful as it is, 4 more years of Trump is at least a chance to try for real change again in 4 years.

      Biden = 12+ years before we get a chance at real change.  He’d serve 4, then Harris would be unopposed for the next run and if she won, then the following, and then potentially her corporate VP.  Biden will cement neoliberalism and the further drift rightward, so that we would never come close to trying to Med4All or anything else.  The convention showcased where the party is headed right now.

      Don’t forget, Biden & Obama tried to cut Social Security before with their “Grand Bargain”.  If it gets cut, it’s going to be by a Democratic President.  With Trump at least the Democrats would act like they’re fighting it.  Biden/Harris will block Med4All, even after a pandemic.  Biden blocks all change and continues disastrous Obama policies.

      The ship has sailed on the Supreme Court as well. RBG is just one seat that would be filled with a corporatist anyway and we lost all hope for a majority after Obama/Biden botched the Garland appointment as a gambit to push voters to Hillary. If the SC was that important, why use it as a tool and risk failure? Answer: It was never important to the Democrats.

      Also, as we saw at the convention, it’s mostly aesthetics with Trump that people are whining about since they can’t speak to any policy of the Democratic Party.

      I voted Green in 2016, and I struggle with this but I wouldn’t recommend it this year. There’s no chance for the Green Party to come out with enough votes for any forward momentum this cycle.  Howie isn’t getting the press and while I want the Green Party to succeed, it’s just not going to be this cycle.  Libertarian Party is the same and full of quacks, so I wouldn’t mess around with either during this cycle.

    • #350865
      jbnw
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      Personally I am still considering Mark Charles.

    • #350878
      Jim Lane
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      @elias39

      Why do you think the Libertarian Party might “catch fire as a 3rd party in 8 years”?  They’ve been around for several cycles already.  As with the Greens, their approximate level of support is pretty well known by now.  Barring a major upheaval or a celebrity candidacy (Ventura-style), neither of those parties is likely to move out of the low single digits anytime soon.

      If anything, the tide is running against the Libertarians.  The pandemic has brought home to millions of people the importance of the very government policies that the Libertarians denounce.  I can’t see “Abolish Medicare and Medicaid” as gaining a lot of new adherents.

    • #350906
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @beeninthewoods I have seen similar things happen. Sometimes polls show third parties getting 6 to 7% in a statewide election, and then they officially only get 3%. And Ohio does have programmable ballot scanners, not to mention the state’s history of election fraud. I shall consider what you said very seriously.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350907
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @revbones I have my doubts, regardless of who wins in November. This country is going into its greatest internal crisis since the Civil War. Many things could happen.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350936
      revbones
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      If Biden wins, the soccer mom Karens will assume all is now right with the world, much like Rham Emanual recently showed, for the DNC and it’s supporting suburbanites, it’s only about winning and not having an orange president. It’s not about policy at all.  Same thing happened when Obama won, and it gave him leeway to try to screw us all by cutting Soc Sec – something Biden has a track record of trying to cut many many times.

      If Biden wins, all the wrong lessons will be learned, consultants will complete their takeover and the party will become further right and openly boast about it, vs their false “progressive” claims of today.  If they win, they’ll be proud and open about it being because of the Republicans they brought onboard and that they have to appease them.

      If Biden loses, then we’ve had two corporatist centrist candidates that ran the same campaigns lose in a row. It will damage Obama’s legacy and give an opening in the future for change.  People thought the world was going to end if Trump got elected, well it’s still here and will be if he got re-elected.

    • #350951
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @revbones If Biden wins, all these woke upper middle class white suburban liberals will go right back to sleep. If Trump wins, they will at least pay some attention to what the administration is doing.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350987
      salemcourt
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      @ob  I put down green, though I agree with revbones.  If you had rank choice, I would put down Trump as second for the same reason.

    • #350990
      roody
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      there must be some local race that will affect you.

    • #351003
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @roody So far, I know of no ballot initiatives on the November ballot, or proposed property tax hikes, or anything like that. If there is something that effects me or some proposed state constitutional amendment, I’ll definitely vote.

      There will probably be some judges I can vote for or against. The local Democrats here are all guaranteed re-election and all worthless Corruptocrats, so I won’t be voting for them. My congresscritter is Marcia Fudge, who is Pelosi’s creature and voted against cutting the defense budget by 10%, so there’s no way I’ll vote for her. Besides, there may not even be a Republican challenger. If there’s a Green or Libertarian running, I’ll vote for them if I vote at all.

      I don’t even know if there’s a school board election. All the city council seats are up in midterm years, as are all the statewide officeholders. There’s no Senate election in Ohio this year. Until I know who and what’s on the ballot, I cannot make an intelligent decision on who or what to vote for, or against.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #351150
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @OhioBarbarian,

      I think a discussion is fine.

      But, I would not “have [you]” vote in a way suggestive of my being able to control you.

      I have come across arrogant people who have inappropriately taken it upon themselves to tell other people how they should vote. And I have been on the receiving end. I have been voting since 1992. This means I do not ask for, nor do I need, the assistance of anybody to tell me how to think and/or approach voting. (I never have.)

    • #351185
      eridani
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      They believe in contacting eligible voters, unlike most minor parties.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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