Professor Richard Wolff and Jimmy Dore In Conversation

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    • #327244
      ThouArtThat
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      Excerpt

      Full Democracy at Work Segment

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

    • #327273
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I’ll watch that later. Democracy at Work is one of my favorites.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #327274
      elias39
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      • Jimmy Dore, comedian and talk show host, ripping into the only progressive voices in DC. Fuck off Jimmy. Or run for office. He So annoys me with his purity tests.
      • 2nd clip is welcome. Richard Wolff is fantastic.
    • #327362
      sadoldgirl
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      Thanks for bringing this. Some people have a hard time

      to distinguish between agreeing with someone’s words

      and the facts of his actions.

    • #327477
      rudycantfail
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      i agree 100%

    • #327523
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Some people are offended because Jimmy Dore called Bernie Sanders and the Squad “worthless.” I note that Richard Wolff did not disagree with him, though he did smile and nod.

      Well, they were certainly worthless when they didn’t even try to stop that first tremendously monstrous and unprecedented-in-scale transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top in human history. They could have, you know. They had the votes if they joined forces with libertarian-minded Republicans to kill it in the House, and demanded something to help the rest of us. You know, like temporary UBI or Medicare for All, just to name two.

      And they would have had leverage and could have gotten temporary UBI. Yes, they could have! But they didn’t. They failed us.

      There was a book written about Nixon and Watergate back in the mid-70s called Breach of Trust. Bernie, the Squad, every progressive Democrat, every Democrat, have breached my trust. I no longer trust any of them further than I can spit with a dry throat.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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        RufusTFirefly
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        Why did Bernie and the Squad fail us?

        It’s far too easy to just conclude that they’re phonies and sellouts. A little harder to say it was because they’re cowards. But still rather simplistic, it seems.

        Of course, Bernie has a long track record, while the Squad are all relatively new to the game. So the explanation for why Bernie failed us may be different for why the members of the Squad did.

        And if the explanation for their seeming abandonment is cowardice, what exactly were they afraid of? We’ve heard that Bernie really fears being treated like Ralph Nader, but is that what drove this particular decision? Or was it something else?

        It seems that Bernie is of the age where he’s almost reached a strange point of liberation where he can think, “What’s the worst they can do to me? Kick me off all the committees?” Is that (and his legacy) what he was worried about? Or was it something different? Did he receive a visit from Luca Brasi or a horse’s head in his bed? I’m being (somewhat) facetious, of course, but on the other hand, anyone who makes a big distinction between the Mob and the power on Capitol Hill is naive.

        Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
        Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don’t have men killed.
        Michael: Oh. Who’s being naive, Kay?

        I have a hunch the notion that a person of courage and conviction in Washington can still cast any vote or take any position no matter how unpopular with the powers-that-be is somewhat Capraesque.

        This isn’t to excuse Bernie or the Squad. Nor is it to say that we shouldn’t be outraged. But I can’t help feeling that there’s more to the story. And if we don’t get to the bottom of this, we’re going to be sold out again and again until there’s finally nothing left.

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          Ohio Barbarian
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          @rufustfirefly I really don’t. I suspect they yielded to pressure to be part of the club, the Democratic Party elected congresscritter club, but I don’t know that.

          All that matters to me is that they failed the overwhelming majority of the American people when it mattered the most, and since I’m not Christian I am under no obligation to ever forgive or forget that failure. I’m no longer outraged by it; it’s just a fact, like the fact we have a sociopathic narcissistic buffoon in the White House and it gets hot in Death Valley.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      ThouArtThat
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      The second YouTube video in the OP has been replaced with the following version.

       

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

    • #327708
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Every word both Richard Wolffe and Jimmy Dore say is factually correct, except where Richard asks Jimmy what he thinks is going to happen and Jimmy says he isn’t smart enough to know, which is honest. Wolff made the socialist and historically correct prediction that if the very wealthy refuse to help the rest of us they won’t be very wealthy for long.

      Everything they said is simply objectively true. Capitalism failed to address the pandemic and will continue to do so. We do not have a democracy, we have a rapacious oligarchy. I usually use the term “kleptocracy” instead of “rapacious oligarchy,” but they are synonyms.

      Thanks for posting this here.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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