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  • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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    Progressives made a mark. The Corp Dems are pointing out that

    some progressive candidates lost.  But don’t forget the Establishment Dems lost 1,200 seats across the nation including the HoR, the Senate, the Presidency and Supreme Court.  It was massive turn outs by Progressives that carried Dems into control of the HoR.  We recognize that this battle against the big money of Tom Perez’s Corp Dems won’t be easy.

    How can one tell a Corp, Third Way Dem?  Ask them about an issue, any issue and they will shrivel up.  I remember asking Clinton-Sach supporters before 2016 is they supported fracking, the TPP, $15 min wage, single payer, reduction in military spending and to a person, they never ever answered.  They were terrified that if they committed their weather-vane messiah would change her mind.  She was for fracking before she was against it.  Same with the TPP.

    Well a note to Third Way Vichy Dems, you have seen how we can turn out people, well we are coming for you.  Before we can destroy the Republicans, we must destroy you.  Your Pelosi has already groveled before Trump.

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    • ccinamon (227 posts)
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      1. NAILED it!

      I’ve been arguing with people on FB, pointing out that Pelosi has already said she will do impeachment of Trump “if the Republicans want me to”.  I haven’t been able to verify it as a direct quote, but she has said she is all in favor of “bipartianship” …. aka, total and complete rollover to the repukes!

      • LiberalElite (7664 posts)
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        9. That "bipartisanship" b.s. was what unnerved me about Obama. IMO he

        was “bipartisan” nearly to the point of a psychological illness, with all his bending over backwards to please the Repugs.

        I feel much better since I've given up hope
        • Coldmountaintrail (9789 posts)
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          17. +++

          but it wasn’t an illness; it was who he was & who raised him

          • jwirr (5464 posts)
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            27. Exactly.

          • LiberalElite (7664 posts)
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            30. "Who raised him" as in the DNC? Makes sense then. Their definitiion of

            of “bipartisanship” is give away the fucking store and the land underneath it.

            I feel much better since I've given up hope
        • mossyfrog (854 posts)

          35. As

          much as Repug’s hated him (I think that was a myth considering he did them great favors) they just loved seeing his ass.

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        • Hawkowl (1462 posts)
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          68. Yes, a man without a moral compass

          Trump is Obama’s legacy.  In any other country, he’d be a war criminal right alongside W. Bush, Cheney, and Hillary Clinton.

          That would be some bipartisanship I could get behind.

          "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
    • Enthusiast (16192 posts)
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      2. Kicked and Recommended an entire shit load!

      :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

      "I got a great big pointed fang Which is my Zomby Toof My right foot's bigger than my other one is Like a reg'lar Zomby Hoof If I raid your dormitorium Don't try to remain aloof . . ." The Zombie Woof
    • Satan (4734 posts)
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      3. Jellyfish Pelosi must not be allowed to be Speaker of the House again

      Nor should Steny Whore or any other DINO tool. I’d really like to see Barbara Lee get that gig.  That would send a statement to the fake “Democrats” as well as to the Orange Imbecile & his wretched party.

      I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.
      • GZeusH (4410 posts)
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        5. I'd like to see Raul Grijalva as Speaker.

        Would Trump want to stand in front of him to give the State of the Union??

        в NewYorkTimese нет известии, и в WaPo нет правды.
        • Satan (4734 posts)
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          6. I can see it now…..

          I’m gonna build a wall behind this podium. And I’m gonna make Grijalva pay for it!!!

          I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.
    • ravensong (2846 posts)
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      4. Recommend!

      "Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues!" ~  Bernie  
    • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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      7. I have disagreed with you in the past over this issue of trying to reform the

      Democratic Party from within, Thom, but the situation has changed. Donald Trump is an obvious, in-your-face Fascist at best and Nazi at worst, or, to quote a Klingon on Star Trek, a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood. He simply must be stopped.

      The only vehicle capable of doing that in the next two years, barring asteroid strikes or Romulan invasion or something, is the Democratic Party. I don’t like saying that; I really don’t, but it’s just a fucking fact. We simply must do everything we can to make sure that Bernie Sanders, or at the very least someone who is acceptable to all of the progressives who support Bernie, gets the Democratic nomination in 2020.

      We have run out of options. Time to go to war.

      No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
      • doh1304 (1155 posts)

        14. I see the strategy as settled

        we will try to reform the Democrats from within. That means replacing corporate fascists wherever they can be replaced and isolating the remainder. They will try to sabotage us. We must be expecting that and be prepared or we are doomed. God help us.

      • FloridaProg (683 posts)

        15. Not going down that road ever again.

        It’s like a dog returning to its own vomit. Examining the current lot of potential Dem prez candidates for 2020, they’re all a bunch of “obvious, in-your-face Fascist at best and Nazi at worst, or, to quote a Klingon on Star Trek, a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictators with delusions of godhood” except for Bernie, and the 3rd-way aren’t going to let him near the nomination. If he were to miraculously get it, they’d rather have Trump. At least he doesn’t threaten their corporate power base.

        At some point, people have to figure out that the Dems are not the answer. If 2016 wasn’t obvious enough, then I’m becoming more convinced enough will never learn. At this point, I’m somewhat content to sit back and watch it all burn, because if the Dem party is the only thing between freedom and Caesar, then Caesar is coming, and the Dem and Repub leaderships will enjoy taking their turn at being Caesar.

        You're either a FDR style progressive or you're a Democrat, but you can't be both. Decide or get out of the kitchen!!
        • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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          18. I understand completely. I have felt the same way. I'd love to see a new party

          come along and sweep all before it, but I see no signs of that happening within the next two years. Just remember that if you choose to sit back and watch it all burn, you are just as likely to be part of the it that burns as I am. For now, I’ll support Bernie and see what happens, for I know that the future is not predetermined.

          Not even by the Turd Way.

          No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
        • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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          24. When you speak of "Democrats" you seem oblivious to those of us

          that don’t bow to corporate rule. Those of us that every day are actively fighting the Neo-Libs.  What are you doing?    The Progressive Wing worked overtime to give the Democrats the House.  Now we can at least, harass the President.  What is your plan?  You seem too quick to give up and run away.  In 2016 you didn’t get your unicorn so you gave up.  I don’t mind at all if you want to sit on the side lines, I only get pissed whey you throw shit at those of us that are at least fighting.  We may not win but we are fighting.

          • DirtyHippyBastard (87 posts)
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            29. Exactly how many “Democrats” are fighting/not bowing to corporate rule?

            Did they not vote this year to increase an already bloated military budget. Are they trying to reign in the president in any way, shape, or form, except by saying “he is bad, we aren’t him. Hooker hooker.” Your calling out of members for not doing what you think they should be doing is tiresome. Why don’t you lecture me again about bills not having co-signers when they are first introduced. Liz needs some defense over in another thread too.

            Don’t ask me for answers either. I been watching and participating in this kabuki bs for 40 years, and the only thing I am pretty sure of is that at the present time, the “Democrats” don’t give a shit about helping average joe, so calling out people for saying bad stuff about them should have that sarcasm thingy attached

            • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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              33. Apparently you can't tell a Corporate Democrat from a Progressive

              Democrat.  I am obviously not speaking of the Corporatist, Neo-Lib Democrats.  Defeating the Oligarchy can only be done if we take back control of the Democratic Party.  Curious, have you given up completely?

          • FloridaProg (683 posts)

            32. They're fighting alright.

            They’re fighting against progressives by voting for Democrats.

            Give the Democrats the House? Oh goody! Now corporpratists with a D are the majority instead of the corporatists with an R. Funny how they all seem to look the same.

            Harrass the president? If D’s were interested in harassing for the right reasons, they would have had Obama in tears everyday. Let me know when they denounce him as being the failure he was, will you. I expect them to be just as reflective and effective this time around.

            Way too many olders who still can’t cut the umbilical cord from the Dems. Wishing they could see clearly to do so was asking too much. At least flinging things at them is entertaining, since I already know the end result.

            You're either a FDR style progressive or you're a Democrat, but you can't be both. Decide or get out of the kitchen!!
            • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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              34. You are so quick to disparage all Democrats when there are millions of us

              actually fighting the oligarchy.  What are you doing besides disparaging us.  Did you sleep thru the 2016 Democratic convention and miss the fact that there were DEMOCRATS fighting against the Clinton DNC.

              • FloridaProg (683 posts)

                70. No, you got it all wrong.

                I’m not disparaging anyone. It’s more amusement than anything else. I put it on par with watching Don Quixote fighting windmills. Something about watching insane people doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results……..

                Voting for oligarchs while claiming to fight oligarchy. Go slay those windmills, er giants….. Don Quixote!!

                You're either a FDR style progressive or you're a Democrat, but you can't be both. Decide or get out of the kitchen!!
                • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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                  81. I admit it's a bit like fighting windmills and we probably won't

                  win against the big money.  So go ahead and disparage and/or mock all you want but at least we are fighting.

          • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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            46. You keep right on fighting Thom

            And we shall see how much harassment the President gets. I suspect none!  My plan is to contribute where I can and love my family and friends .  Politics is a fools game and this old woman is going to work one on one and when the country crumbles, and it will, I will be their with my pitchfork blocking haters and protecting those  I can

            Peace be with you my friend.

            Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
            • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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              49. Thank you. I fully understand how futile our fight is and it's all I

              can do to keep on fighting. What sets me off is when some progressives disparage those of us that are at least trying.   Progressives nation-wide fought hard this election and managed to make some progress, and in my opinion, are responsible for the Dems winning the HoR.  While the specific progressive victories weren’t many, we did show what we can do when we work together.  An example, a number of Corp-Dems have said they won’t take PAC money.  While that alone isn’t a huge deal, in the past their hubris would have precluded them from that step.  They know we are a force.

               

              • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                52. I hear you -it is frustrating though…

                when Corporate Dems take care for progressives hard work

                Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
          • Hawkowl (1462 posts)
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            69. Dems need to do more than fighting

            If the Democratic Party wants to stop Trump, a dubious assumption at best, then they need to demonstrate their willingness to MOVE LEFT. That’s where the majority of Americans are.

            A good, and necessary step, would be NOT making Pelosi Speaker.

            I view Trump as no worse than Cheney, or Bush jr.  He is marginally worse than Obama.

            So, under the Democratic Presidency we can expect a slow, lingering death. Under Republicans it will be short and painful.

            So, if the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party wants to win, you’d better stop attacking us.

            "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
            • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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              80. Who is the "us" in the last sentence?

              The party leadership may be dubious about ousting Trump but the Democratic “Party” is the millions of us fighting the Leadership.  And the Democratic leadership will never move left.  The Progressive Wing must oust them all.

              • Hawkowl (1462 posts)
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                93. Us is the left

                Progressives, Greens, Socialists.  The Democratic Party attacks the Left much harder than their good friends across the aisle, Republicans.

                "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
                • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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                  95. Once again there are two opposing wings of the Democratic Party.

                  So to say that the Democratic Party attacks the left is nonsensical.

                  • Hawkowl (1462 posts)
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                    96. O.k.

                    The Democratic Party LEADERSHIP attacks the Left.  Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, Clintons, et al.

                    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
          • mossyfrog (854 posts)

            86. self delete

            Again I want to say something but think better of it. sleep  on, I give up debating on this forum/topic. So Self-delete

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        • MistaP (11126 posts)
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          31. yup, the Dems are our biggest obstacle (but made themselve the only route)

          just like how only the Democratic Party could’ve given us the hope of President Sanders, and how only the Democratic Party could’ve taken it away

          the Clinton campaign created Trump with the Pied Piper strategy (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • Bisbonian (462 posts)

          43. +1

          Bernie is NOT going to be the democratic nominee. Everything is stacked against that.

        • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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          45. This^^^^^^ EOM

          Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
        • Stockholmer (5368 posts)
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          97. Dogged if you do, dogged if you don't

        • eridani (6814 posts)
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          99. At some time, progressives are going to have to get into real voter outreach

          Electoral politics is NOT about duelling platforms.  It is about a campaigner trying to talk to as many voters as possible.  No alternative parties even bother to do this, with honorable exceptions like Socialist Alternative in Seattle.  The local Green Party chair has no idea what precinct she is in, let alone bothering to canvass it for Green candidates.

          You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

        36. Then

        we are truly doomed. Expecting Dem’s to change the course of this ship before we hit iceberg is a fools dream.

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        • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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          39. As usual, I am misunderstood by the DemExit crowd. I don't expect the current

          Democratic Party leadership to change. I am saying we need a change in Democratic Party leadership. I don’t know whether or not that will happen, but I am not willing to rule out the possibility. What is the alternative? Waiting for the Greens to get around to grassroots campaigns across the country?

          I was a founding member of the Committees for Correspondence back in the early 1980s, the predecessor for the American Green Party. I see them run for President, or maybe governor or senator, very seldom for any statehouse or local election, and even when that happens they can’t even put up yard signs. Then after the election they pat themselves on the back for breaking 1% of the vote.

          You gotta way to give a Green Party candidate to get elected President in less than two years? I’m all ears. Or would you rather have me sit at home and just refuse to vote for any Democrat that gets the nomination, and not even oppose an open Fascist?

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          • mossyfrog (854 posts)

            40. You

            seriously think the Dem party will change in 2 years? NO its going to take a whole lot of effort. Sacrifice and hard work.What is Bernie doing for 3rd party’s or helping them beat the system so at least they can participate on equal grounds…….crickets from him. He won’t even talk with  3rd party leaders to find solutions. Jill has called him several times and he refuses to speak with her. Why is that exactly? AND even if, by some miracle he runs and wins in 2020 do you actually think he will have any power running under that corrupt D banner? He killed any chance for 3rd party’s to get a foot hold. Or at least made it harder. Backstabbing many of us who thought he was a real revolutionary, only to turn around so fast I got whip lashed seeing him bending knee to that monstrous f**** HER. Ya ya he promised he would support them, but after he was cheated. Promises go out the window.What about all the promises he made to us? Going all the way? AND even if somehow the D’s make a hard left. How can you trust them or that it would last? Haven’t they held out that ball for you to kick only to land flat on your face yet again, prove to you that they will NEVER let go of power or change. NEVER. And they will laugh at your stupidity yet again. I’m not going to debate you on the Greens. You had a bad experience and now have a negative look on them. Forgetting all the good they have done for decades. Holding in there against all odds (which is a near impossibility in our corrupt 2 party system). But some reason, the Dem’s can F**** you over and over and your willing to ask for more because just maybe it will be nicer this time. I’m done with all that and when I Dem-exited I MEANT IT!

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            • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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              41. As Teddy Roosevelt would say, Bully for you! Maybe the Democratic Party can't

              be forced to change course, but the Greens sure as hell aren’t going to stop Trump. As far as I am concerned, the survival of our republic, even in a corrupted form, depends on stopping him. I am no longer concerned with what happened in 2016. To see Trump gone, I’ll wallow in the mud if I have to do so.

              I no longer have time for self-righteousness or revenge. You don’t, either, and you will either see that in time, or you won’t. That’s out of my hands.

              No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
              • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                42. Thats

                where I think we are fundamentally different in how this can be accomplished. I think the only way this doomed ship can be turned is too get where things are so bad that people stand up and demand change. Mainly by voting out BOTH party’s which are really one and voting in a 3rd party. I’m hoping one day that since the Greens are far ahead of any other 3rd party at the moment, that they will be the futures choice. The problem with your idea and many others is that you think running Trump out will solve the problem. NOT when 90% of the problem is still in Congress and the Senate. As well as lower forms of Govt. like Governors. And they (TPTB who control both partys) WILL just find someone else to replace Trump. Trump is only the symptom of something far darker and sinister.

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                • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                  47. Gotta hit rock bottom before you can

                  Face the truth and get better.   I have faith change will come once people give up on the Dems.

                  Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
                • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                  50. Wrong. I do NOT think that running Trump out will "solve the problem." It WOULD

                  prevent us from going full-bore Fascist in the short term, and that’s really about it. I just think Trump is an imminent danger.

                  No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                  • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                    56. You

                    really don’t make much sense. Perhaps its more that I just do not understand your thinking. You say we should vote for Dem’s no matter what to hold Trump at bay. But then at the same time you don’t seem to see that the Dem’s are just as much a danger. Do you really believe that the current Dem’s will fight anything he proposes? Did they fight against his nominations for the SC? Did they fight his budget? Or his military increase in $ ? Or …. God I could go on and on. The Dem’s are not your ally. There could care less about the people and have proven it over and over. What exactly is it that they would need to do to wake you up? Or people with your thinking to finally see this. Trump is NOT the problem. yes he is crazy and a fool but the Dem’s/Repugs in reality have no interest in stopping him. They I think actually love him as he gives them cover to do all sorts of evil shit. But look at Trump. Look over there at the circus act. Trump, Trump, Red scare!!! And if you believe for one moment that now the Dem’s control Congress (By a sliver which will never hold) that somehow its all going to be different. Then you really are a fool. Pelosi is already straining and begging to offer up anything and everything to the “other side”. Again TRUMP IS NOT THE PROBLEM BUT THE SYMPTOM.

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                    • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                      60. I have never said you should vote for Dems no matter what. Please stop putting

                      words in my mouth. I am saying Trump is a very real threat to what remains of our republic, and you don’t seem to agree with that. I agree with you that Trump is a symptom, in his case, specifically a symptom caused by Vichy Democrats, but he’s a very dangerous symptom, like the last stages of bubonic plague when no tetracyclin is available. I think blaming the Russians, of all people, for Hillary’s defeat is boneheadedly stupid.

                      I don’t know whether the Democratic majority in the House will serve as a check on Trump or not, but I think it will, even if it doesn’t turn out to be the robust check the country truly needs right now. Time will tell. And don’t call me a fool, that’s a violation of JPR terms of service, and for that last sentence only, I really am speaking as a mod. Please don’t go there.

                      No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        66. Finally

                        I think were coming to agreement on some things. And I said you were a fool if you believe the Dem’s will suddenly be different now that they “control” Congress. So if you do believe that then I hold to my statement. I believe anybody would be a fool if they believed that. Don’t take it personally as it was not meant in the way your taking it. I am NOT saying you are a fool just for being a fool. Or your a FOOL for no reason. It was not a ….trying to think of the words here? I was not saying your a fool. Only that you would be a fool if you believed in such a thing. Jebus I now feel like I’ve hurt your feelings which is not what i Intended to do. If I did i am sorry for that. I’m just an old tired of all the bull social fighter with strong opinions. Borderline angry and pissed off.

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                    • eridani (6814 posts)
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                      100. So, how many doors did you knock for a Green or other 3rd party candidate?

                      If the answer is “none,” then you don’t have a clue about how to get rid of Trump.

                      You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        101. What

                        an idiotic statement. You don’t know me or what I’ve done. So shut the F*** up. I’m probably older then you and have been in the trenches for the Greens longer then you have been online, being a keyboard warrior that you are, with your small snide remark, in Ohio and my discussion. Enter—>drop quick assumption—->exit with no added value.

                        I’ve been fighting for the Greens since the 70’s and must have “knocked on doors” thousands upon thousands of times. So I MUST be the wisest person in the world, understanding just  how to get rid of Trump. Man, stupid is strong with you isn’t it.

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                      • eridani (6814 posts)
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                        102. I knocked about 800 doors just to elect one state senator this year

                        I’m 72, with a big gap in political activism.  I doorbelled for McCarthy in 1968, and didn’t do much political after that until I retired.  Dennis Kucinich in 2003 asked his supporters to join their local Dem organizations and talk to their neighbors.  This was eye-opening–I discovered that about 4 of the 550 voters in my precinct had any interest in discussing issues–the rest were more interested in how old Kucinich was.  That’s when I left the Greens, noticing that they still thought that elections were about duelling platforms instead of voter outreach.

                        Assuming you are in Richmond, CA, because that is the only place I’ve ever heard of where Greens have done actual voter contact–beating back the Chevron candidates in coalition with other groups.  Socialist Alternative had 400+ volunteers who elected one of their members to the Seattle City Council, and did it again two years later in the first district election, so being third party doesn’t stop people from doing voter outreach.

                        You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        103. Well

                        bully for you. And so? Whats your point? Am I supposed to pull mine out and compare sizes? You had a bad experience with the Greens and left. Your also wholly ignorant regarding what the Greens do on the ground and where. There are all sorts of people in the Green party who do all sorts of different things to get the Greens noticed and promoted (NOT just in Richmond-are you for real?). Grass roots in the trenches. Just because you had an unpleasant experience at some group meeting does not make the whole Green party. Are you even for 3rd party progressive-ism?  Why are you attacking the Greens? Go back to sleep with the Dem’s.

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                      • eridani (6814 posts)
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                        104. I'm attacking people who pretend to do electoral politics

                        Duelling platforms are NOT electoral politics. I know of only three examples where third parties have demonstrated actual seriousness about voter canvassing.  One is the Green-led coalition  in Richmond, CA and Socialist Alternative in Seattle and Minneapolis (though the latter was close but no cigar last election cycle).  If you have more, please add them.

                         

                        You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
          • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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            44. Ahhh poor snowflake misunderstood

            You think you can trick EXITDems back to the party when this is their plan https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-will-run-again-1541963599.

            No thank you – fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

            Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
            • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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              51. I'm not trying to "trick" anyone, and I'm not gullible enough to believe the

              Wall Street Journal. And, are you calling me a snowflake? If you are, that’s rich. You’re better off putting me back on Ignore.

              No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
              • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                53. My pleasure to put you on ignore.

                Better believe the WSJ they called it last time and I am sure she plans to run again and Dems think we wil support HER excuse trump is so awful.

                Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
                • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                  54. Right now the WSJ is quite happy with Trump, and of course they'd be quite happy

                  with Hillary. It is no surprise they’d want to see a rematch, because then they’d win either way, just like last time. I don’t believe that will happen again, though. Time will tell.

                  No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                  • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                    58. All

                    mainstream media love this. Illusion-airy conflict. Created by them and others who profit off misery and conflict. But once in a while they actually do say something that is truth. Just because the WSJ is pure slime does not mean that they are always wrong.

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                  • carrotguy (561 posts)
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                    59. it's an opinion piece and

                    considering the battleground on the US voter’s mind, anyone who reads any headline without considering the source (author), platform (newspaper), and intent is going to have a very busy time in any news cycle.    on my gaming forum, someone hoisted a straw man opinion column from newsweek, espousing open borders.   it was written by someone associated with the cato institute.

                    let’s just keep doing the right thing (as you have suggested with some dem support in the midterms), and primary out the scumsucking corpodems in 2020.   if they’re stupid enough to nominate HRC again (IMO – nowadays a trial balloon like this could be used to monitor ripple effects in social media), then we’ll know how real the struggle is

                    • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                      61. Thank you. Nice to see somebody gets it.

                      No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                  57. That

                  seems to be OhioB’s main idea. Vote D no matter what and if your some slimy Green (or other) then your the cause of TRUMP. I heard all this s*** before. Same stuff when Nader was running. Same bull. The D’s will fix everything! Even though he/she seems to not see that the D’s cause a whole lot of our current problems. Not to mention THEY are the reason Trump is in office. But ya lets go running for that ball again. OhioB. Are you really Lucy in disguise? That football is the exact same worn leather as before but he and people like him would like us all to believe its a shinny new football. And Lucy really will hold it for you this time. I’m done falling on my face and done with that psychotic Lucy!

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                  • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                    62. I never said the D's will fix everything. Stop putting words in my mouth.

                    I don’t do that to you, and I expect, no, demand, the same courtesy. So what is your solution for 2020? Put up or shut up.

                    No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                    • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                      65. put up

                      or shut up? I’ve been very explicit in what I think should happen. Or at least I would hope happen. Tell me. If HER runs again, will you be voting for HER? That is if Bernie does not run or runs but is once again cheated. Stick with the Dems no matter what i guess is your solution. You say that you don’t think D’s would fix everything but I bet you would NEVER vote for a Green issue or candidate (SPOILER EFFECT!!!). Also let me be clear, I also do not think D’s or Repigs or even Greens could or can fix everything. And I have not put words into your mouth. I see and understand clearly what you say and respond how I feel. If that’s to much for you to handle then put me on ignore.

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                      • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                        67. Well, you didn't put up, and you clearly won't shut up. To answer your question,

                        no, I would never vote for Hillary. Never have, never will. And you continue to put words in my mouth. I have never said stick with the Dems no matter who, or vote blue no matter who. I have said that Trump is an imminent threat to our republic, to which you have never responded.

                        Why is that? Not that I expect a direct answer; you’re too busy being morally superior to answer that.

                        Notice I am not saying that that makes you a Trump supporter, for I know you are not. Yet you do not extend the same benefit of the doubt to me when it comes to Hillary. I find that self-righteously hypocritical, very annoying, and almost, but not quite, offensive.

                        Now bugger off. I’m done.

                        No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        74. oooooh

                        I feel so chastised. LOL. You really have a reading comprehension problem. If you don’t think I’ve “put up” and/or explained myself then your oblivious to common English. I think your just willfully ignorant….opp’s did that word hurt your feelings? Bugger off as well since its pointless to speak/discuss anything with you. And I will NEVER shut up about anything, I guess as a Mod you can be just as rude and superior acting as the rest of us. Enjoy your dreaming.

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                      • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                        77. I voted for Ralph Nader twice, Stewart Alexander once, and for Jill

                        Stein in 2016. You still keep saying I am advocating for sticking with the Democrats no matter what. It is more like I am advocating voting for progressive Dems when possible. I don’t think you see Trump for the very real threat that he actually is, and you still haven’t said what we should do except to, and correct me if I’m wrong here, never vote for any Democrat.

                        If my understanding is correct, I simply disagree with you on that last point.

                        No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        78. We

                        disagree on most points. Do I have to spell it out for you? I have already said multiple times what I believe is the correct course, which you seem to have trouble understanding. 1 more time I guess since your not completely done with me. I think Trump is a dangerous  fool. BUT he is nothing compared to the PTB who control both the D’s and R’s. I am GREEN and used to vote with the Dem’s when there was no Green to vote for. I DEM-EXITED in 2000 when I saw just how bad and a farce the Dem’s really were. When I say Dem-EXITED I mean it. Never will I vote D again no matter who is running. My belief is that even if Bernie himself won the Presidency, He would soon be co-opted (and I believe he already has been). I am not an idiot who falls for the D’s and Media’s scare tactice’s of FEAR TRUMP…..FEAR RUSSIA……FEAR FEAR FEAR. Unlike you who seem to buy that line hook and sinker. The ONLY way the USA will find its grounding again is to destroy both party’s who have a strangle hold on our system of “Democracy”. Trump could just be the catalyst for people to finally stand up when the shit really hits the fan. You on the other hand (and please do deny if so inclined but I’ve read your posts all over this site and see what your doing) think somehow now that the D’s have “won” back Congress that it will at the least hold back Trump which is absurd considering the D’s history. You also, like so many D’s shit on the concept of a 3rd party (And I do not believe for one moment you ever voted for Nader or Jill just by the way you talk, but whatever you say) and working towards that goal. “That it will just take too long” and such tripe. As if Bernie and his foolish idea of working within and changing the party won’t and will be a grand success. The D establishment will NEVER let that happen. Its a freaking fools strategy. Does that now give you an idea of what I believe. Shessh if I could write this in crayon and in slow words for you maybe you’ll finally get the idea. Now please do as you said and be done with me. Because your very tiring.

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                      • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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                        87. "BUT (Trump) is nothing compared to the PTB who control both the D's and the

                        R’s.” You are so wrong. I’m not going to explain why here. That’s a whole OP.

                        No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
                      • MaryTBinka (24 posts)
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                        91. Paragraph breaks please

                        And it is you’re tiring. Your screed is embarrassing.

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                      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                        92. Oh

                        I see we have a Writing/English Nazi here. LOL. You know what you can do with your opinion right? Ok I’m done with this back and forth . I actually have  life, but its been fun.

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                      • MaryTBinka (24 posts)
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                        94. I'm glad you have life (your phrase)

                        And my pointing out that run on sentences and writing with no paragraph breaks is tedious does not make me a Nazi. Sorry you were so poorly educated.

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                  • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                    71. It does appear that is the plan again!!

                    Only dems can win against the evil Trump and if you don’t vote dem YOU ARE THE CAUSE OF TRUMP!

                    Well i am not falling for it. Call us all the names they like and point as us as the problem and i will remind them when they point at me four fingers point back at them as the real cause  of the problem

                    Truth is truth and those who believe corporate democrats are fools or at best hopeful dreamers.

                    For me an alternative party is the only answer. I am sorry Bernie cant see it.

                    Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
                    • carrotguy (561 posts)
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                      72. not all of those democrats are third way

                      and unfortunately compromise is the way of the world.    it would be nice if the military-involved population among us did not have rush limbaugh piped into their barracks, but that’s the way it is.    there is a notable part of the US population that vehemently disagrees with our positions.  just as in medieval england, there were a few royals who felt that by god, they did not have to show the body of the prisoner.

                      slowly but surely they are coming around.    if i have to sacrifice a presidency to a republican, yet maintain and strengthen a progressive congress, i think that is worthy.   what’s important in that equation is strengthening the progressive congress.

                      looking back, i wonder how progressive sinema, gillum, and abrams may be.   silver witch may have a point, if these newbloods sell out our ideals.  if they can act as a stopgap until a real leader is in charge, that might be worth something.   pay to play politiics is a bitch.   goldwater girl.. fuck

                      • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                        83. I support compromise…

                        and I understand politics is not an easy game.

                        Thank you for you well thought out and worded response.

                        Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
                    • mossyfrog (854 posts)

                      75. Totally

                      agree. Its so plainly obvious. Especially with some people on this forum. I thought I escaped from places and attempts like this from that other unmentionable site? If you don’t agree with him then your the problem or your just stupid and not explaining things correctly. Went through this same crap with Obama in the begginging trying to get people to understand he was not what he appeared. I was the reason the Dem’s lost. The Greens were the spoilers. On and on. Oh well some people just love staying sheep and dreaming of that big blue wave. HOPE an CHANGE!!! LOL.

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                      • Silver Witch (7107 posts)
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                        82. I think more will begin to see MossyFrog.

                        Sometimes a person has to be burned over and over until they learn.  It took me several elections to figure out there has been nothing for the people from these politicians.

                        I am okay with being the cause of their failure – so long as they fail!!!

                        Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
      • ravensong (2846 posts)
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        73. I agree. Wars are fought, and won or lost, one battle at a time.

        We can’t win a war by first intentionally losing it in order to try to win it.

        The bottom line is, there is a radical fascist RW minority in the US that is working to subvert the electoral process in order to assume permanent authoritarian fascist control of state governments and the federal governments. If they should achieve critical mass, the war is over.  We lose. Forever, without hope of restoring balance of power, or progressive majority.

        I agree with Thom, we are fighting on two fronts.  As long as the center right controls the Democratic Party and its narrative, Republicans will always maintain powerful antithesis to progressivism.  Republicans help the center right maintain control of the Democratic party, the center right Democrats ensure the Republicans maintain powerful opposition to progressivism.

        This is solidly entrenched, and it will take a lot of time, energy, work, and smarts to change the narrative, and democratically subjugate the Centrist Democrats and Republicans who are the servants of 1% oligarchy.  We cannot destroy the right center Democratic party, nor the the Republican party, if we allow the fascists to assume permanent authoritarian control of the electoral process.

        What is in our favor is time, if the foolish Centrist Democrats and foolish Republicans don’t manage to enable the total destruction of the ecosystem of the planet before we can gain democratic control and regulation of political and economic systems.

        Every year, more progressive young people achieve voting age, and every year, more older center right and right wing voters die off.  We’re not going to win this war overnight, no matter how badly we may want it, and want it right now.  We are eventually going to win this war, if we keep true to our narrative and ideals, and keep fighting the good fight.

        We adapt, and in every circumstance, we do whatever it takes, to democratically move forward, to progress, toward a better world.  In order to progress, the forces of ignorant, quasi-religious fascist authoritarianism must be prevented from to achieving critical mass at all cost.

        Megachurch pastor tells church to stop going to yoga, because of its ‘demonic roots’
        ………

        Pastor John Lindell told the attendees of James River Church in Ozark, Missouri — which has a congregation of about 10,500, according to a 2016 report — that the positions in yoga were “created with demonic intent to open you up to demonic power because Hinduism is demonic.”

        Members of nearby Springfield’s yoga community are now speaking out.

        A Christian yogi says his practice has brought him closer to God and wants others to know that it’s possible to do sun salutations while following Christ. One owner of a yoga studio said she’s worried that small local businesses are being hurt. An instructor, feeling on edge after a shooting at a Florida yoga studio Nov. 2, can’t shake a fear that someone might take the church’s anti-yoga message too far.
        ………………..
        Lindell delivered a paranormal-themed sermon the Sunday  before Halloween. Among other things, he warned congregants about the spiritual dangers of fortune-telling, Wicca, a form of paganism, and finally, yoga.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/12/james-river-pastor-yoga-demonic-roots/1975401002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

        “Just out — in Arizona, SIGNATURES DON’T MATCH. Electoral corruption – Call for a new Election? We must protect our Democracy!” ~ Donald Trump

        ……………………….^Yikes!^

        On Sunday, the Times reported that the Trump Administration plans to change federal civil-rights law to include a definition of sex as “a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth.” The language, if adopted, would mean that the federal government would effectively stop recognizing the very possibility of a person being transgender or intersex.
        ………….
        The Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Health and Human Services is now run by a man named Roger Severino, whose last job was as the director of the Heritage Foundation’s DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society. In that capacity, Severino repeatedly wrote about the dangers of “gender ideology,” a term that for years now has been used to mobilize extreme social conservatives worldwide. “Gender ideology” refers to an imaginary Marxist movement to erase differences between men and women. The spectre of “gender ideology” was used in a successful campaign in Australia to scrap a government program called Safe Schools, which was designed to make schools safer for L.G.B.T.I.Q. students. “Gender ideology” was the enemy the Hungarian government was fighting when it revoked recognition of gender-studies degrees this month. These changes, like the attacks on transgender rights in the United States, are politically expedient and logical: reversing the most recent and most rapid social change makes it seem like the promise of a return to the imaginary past will be fulfilled.

        https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-trauma-of-the-trump-administrations-attacks-on-transgender-people

        I’ll keep struggling for every progressive candidate and cause that I can, but I will do whatever I have to do within the scope of my non-violent power to keep superstitious, corrupt fascist lunatics from taking control of the government of the United States.

        This last election temporarily diverted a disaster.  If the fascists had managed to win everything, it would not be long before we were all living in a real life nightmare version of The Handmaid’s Tale.

        "Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues!" ~  Bernie  
        • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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          76. Thank you. That's exactly where I'm at right now.

          No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
        • mossyfrog (854 posts)

          79. Self Delete

          Self Delete. Oh never mind. I’m done with this topic/discussion.

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      • Satan (4734 posts)
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        89. You mentioned Klingons and Romulans, but if Cheeto existed in Star Trek…..

        …he would definitely be a Ferengi!

        I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.
        • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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          90. LOL! I love that. Stolen for my Facebook page.

          No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
    • carrotguy (561 posts)
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      8. i think people are coming around

      if we can put progressive candidates in important senate primaries in 2020, we could make a case for MFA.   let’s hope those progressive candidates have sane platforms and abstain from tilting at windmills.   some arguments or platforms should be left alone.   along the same vein, do we really want pelosi to try and impeach trump?   i think that time might be spent more effectively with clear progressive legislation (thanks cortez and friends) that will present progressive candidates in a positive light for 2020

      • BillZBubb (4076 posts)
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        10. I don't want the Dems to impeach Trump…

        unless they’ve got indisputable evidence of a serious crime. Otherwise it’s a waste of time and a political loser.

        But, I also don’t want the supposed opposition party to announce “Impeachment is off the table”. That kind of capitulation is weak and pathetic.

        Care to specify what proposals rate as “tilting at windmills”?

         

        DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
        • carrotguy (561 posts)
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          11. i've stated them here before

          and didn’t receive much enthusiasm.  i will defer for now – i’m sure you have your own ideas.  i’ve emailed bernie my concerns – i hope to see how he campaigns

        • Ohio Barbarian (13444 posts)
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          19. Impeachment is pointless unless there is a realistic chance of success at

          securing a conviction in the Senate. I sure don’t see that now. It was possible in 1866 and 1974, but impossible in 1998 and 2019. You’re right, though, to take it off the table is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Who knows what may be revealed or what Trump may do in the near future that could change the impossible to the merely difficult? I sure don’t, and neither does Pelosi, the smug bitch.

          No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
          • jwirr (5464 posts)
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            28. Agree. The House can call for impeachment but it will be an R Senate that

            refuses to carry it out. Or we will just be bumping Pence up the ladder.

        • mossyfrog (854 posts)

          37. Yup

          1st words out of her rotted mouth. NOT, were going to push for this or that to help the people but to spout this garbage. It basically was a message to her fellow good friend’s the Repugs not to worry.I’m thinking of you 1st.

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    • Betty Karlson (5348 posts)
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      12. By 2021, Bernie will be president.

      Four years overdue, and a generation late, but what a breath of relief he will be.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
      • Haikugal (7776 posts)
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        16. “A generation late” …..

        so true.

          ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE.
      • DirtyHippyBastard (87 posts)
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        26. I love this reply. +1 and hugs

      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

        38. You

        and many others hope. But then he may end up being yet another Obama with a lot of hope and change bull.

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        • djean111 (8092 posts)
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          55. For all we know, Jill Stein would be another Obama with a lot of hope and change

          bull.  She has no record at all.  There really is no way, any more, to really trust anyone.

          • *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things.  The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek.   Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
          You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
          • mossyfrog (854 posts)

            63. She

            has no record? You really need to do some research before you blather off some idiotic thinking about Jill. I totally agree with you about no longer trusting anyone though (I don’t trust Jill totally but respect her completely). But Jill Stein is out there with the people, actually with them, standing next to the fighters on the ground, actually willing to get arrested (and has been) for the right causes. Where was Bernie during the pipeline fight? Oh ya he was busy tweeting. Did he chain himself to the pipeline? And then for him to take credit for the Amazon $15/hr increase, Ya he had a big part, but lets not forget all the people who actually were on the ground risking all for this. But looking at it, most people think it was only because of him. And Obama is no where near Jill. His past record was sketchy at best before he became president. That’s where all that mantra came from. HOPE. We all HOPED he was what he spouted. Nope not even close. He was an out and out con man. Jill is not. Bernie talks a GREAT talk. And has charisma up the yin yang (sound familiar?) . But I ask again, what has he done except speaking and tweeting and pushing for reform that he and everybody knows will never get past the D’s/R’s. But hey it sounds and looks great when he does it. I want to see him actually chaining himself to something. Standing side by side with the people on the ground fighting and willing to sacrifice all before I believe anything he actually says. He PROVED he was not that guy when he bowed to her queeness and the D’s in their obvious bull with the “unity” tour. And to this day he still cannot see the D’s for what they are. Nice guy and perhaps too nice who will one day wake up (if its not too late) and see he has been playing a very bad and losing game with the devil.

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      • Snort McDork (2951 posts)
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        98. I hope you're right Betty

        I hope you’re right.

        For the sake of our children’s future and everyone else that gives a shit.

    • Scott Crowder (1125 posts)
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      13. "Before we can destroy the Republicans, we must destroy you."

      I felt giddy reading those words.  Made me want to yell, “Hallelujah!  Free at last!”

      If only I could rec this post multiple times.  I had multiple postgasms, just seems fair.

      Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
      https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
    • Deadpool (17658 posts)
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      20. On the Daily Radical!

      😃

    • Major Hogwash (5000 posts)
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      21. Washington D.C. is full of Corp Dems in 2019. Only the progressive . . .

      . . . members newly elected will make any headway towards solving any of the problems you listed in your OP.

      I don’t know how the House Democrats intend to stop the shit the Senate Republicans plan to pull in the next 2 years, but there is no more room for tolerance or “bipartisian bullshit politics” with those cretins.

      The Corp Dems have enabled the Republicans for the past 30 years, allowing them to push the Overton Window clear to the right to the point that the Republicans have beeome facist supporters of Trumpian tactics.
      There is no way to separate the Republicans from Trump now.
      They own it.

      And we need to make them pay for it!!

      No more Corp Dems should be voted in to office.
      The Corp Dems that are there need to be replaced by progressives who won’t allow the discussions to stray from their goals of protecting the middle class, the poor, and ensuring the safety nets for all Americans.

      Bending over for Mitch McConnell and asking him “please, sir, may I have another?” is not going to work anymore.
      McConnell intends to destroy what is left of the New Deal and implement more corporate control over the private lives of American citizens.

      We can no longer afford to be nice to the Republicans.
      Civility is a dead concept in the Trump era.
      We can also no longer accept Corp Dems who are willing to “compromise with the Republicans.”
      Compromise is capitulation, and we didn’t defeat the Nazis in WWII just to let them control America 75 years later!!

      Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
    • sadoldgirl (3035 posts)
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      22. This is utterly ridiculous.,sorry to say. The idea that a few progressives

      may have succeeded and therefore changed the party is  an illusion.

      They will be placed either into a place of no power, or will be taught

      their place in the warmongering and corporatist Uniparty. I wished that

      people would not be so gullible.

      • ThomPaine (6947 posts)
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        25. The point isn't how many progressive won, the point is that a

        a shit load of progressives fought hard.  This isn’t an overnight fix.  And it well may be that we will never defeat the power of the corporations, but we fought hard.  Locally, I have a good example.  A local progressive young lady decided to challenge for state senator in a very conservative district.  Many people called and canvased over and over.  She is currently leading by 400 votes.  Progressives are learning that we can make a difference.  Maybe not as much as you want but it’s our only hope.

        We are not gullible to try to defeat the corporate monster.   We know it’s a tough challenge but what do you suggest?

        • mossyfrog (854 posts)

          85. So

          in your world this is perfectly good for progressive dem’s but somehow the Green’s (or any other 3rd party) its pointless and will never change anything. The Greens have been fighting the good fight for decades. But that matters not a wit with born again Dem’s. I don’t know you so forgive me if I’ve portrayed  you as that type. Its just I hear this all the time and when you spoke regarding “it doesn’t matter how many progressive’s won but that they fought hard” and the rest of your response to sadoldgirl. I hear ?your?/those type’s turn right around and say how pointless the Green’s chance’s are. Or how meaningless their efforts are. Only the Dem’s can change anything. It will take to long for Green’s to gain enough traction to change anything. On and on. But somehow magically Bernie’s strategy will succeed brilliantly.

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      • mossyfrog (854 posts)

        84. It

        is amazing that some do think that a few progressive’s wining the elections is somehow “the big blue wave” and will convince the established Dem’s that they were just wrong all this time and change their corrupt ways. Oh and also that those progressive’s that won are actually PROGRESSIVE’S just because they spouted off progressive ideals while campaigning. How many of them will instantly turn face once offered a juice role in the con. And like you state. How many (I think all) who are true progressive’s will be buried so far into oblivion that they will have no chance of any sort of power to do much of anything.

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    • MrMickeysMom (2524 posts)
      Moderator

      23. People will show up for the issues at the polls. I couldn't agree more

      They sure do that with referendums. The message should be sent to every member of congress…We show up for others who RECOGNIZE the issues.

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    • disillusioned73 (853 posts)
      Donor

      48. Yes…

      "Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats." - Bernie Sanders
    • B Calm (1436 posts)

      88. Great post!

      “When I was a kid growing up, I think my instincts always were for the underdog.” – Bernie Sanders